Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Hitler was a vegetarian (or at least reduced meat intake) and in occult magic this would allow a slight positive polarization over those whom he wished to dominate. I'll say that in opposition to KilgoreTrout's assertion that the Nazi's only used it as a propaganda control mechanism; little nuggets like that give away true intentions.

Hitler wasn't into the occult but others in Nazi Germany certainly were. Only in reference to Hitler do I contend that it is black propaganda, there is no evidence to suggest that he personally had any interest in occult matters, light or dark. His vegetarianism was due to health problems and was a prescribed diet by his physician Dr Morrell. Morrell's diaries and notes give no indication that he sought to balance out Hitler's Karma. Though, Hitler can be considered a tool or force to be utilised, or he was, initially, after a time it becomes hard to tell who is pulling who's strings.

According to Martin Bormann's son, when he and his family called on Himmler's mistress, she showed them a room filled with all sorts of strange and occult-looking objects, even furniture made from human bones. (Nice.) The way in which Himmler oversaw the items that were looted from the Freemasonry lodges also seems to indicate more than a passing interest. And he seems to have engaged himself in a ritual or two on more than one occasion. I don't think he was a highly successful practioner though.

Hess also was very keen on the esoteric and can be considered a serious scholar. In 1919 he joined a secret society based in Paris called 'The Watchers' or 'The Vigilant Ones' that was headed by the Egyptologist Rene Schwaller de Lubitcz. Which is about as much information as I have been able to ever glean about them. But, Hess recognised something in Hitler and made sure he was introduced to certain others. It was Hess who would constantly check Hitler's horoscope and it was Hess who would be with Hitler, often for days on end, preparing him for an important speech. Ever wonder why Hitler almost never appeared in public following Hess's flight to Scotland?

Hitler himself experienced an 'ecstatic vision' which coincided with the return of his sight during treatment at Pasewalk after he had been gassed on the front line. Hitler's own sense of destiny and 'rightness' instilled confidence in others. Sometimes that's all it takes.

A major theme of White's A Once and Future King is the debate on whether might can ever be used for right. All depends though, on who happens to think they're right.

Additionally, what Goebbels did, secularly, is still occult practice, there is little difference except in the semantics. Psychology and propaganda spring from the same well as arcane knowledge does. Especially in Germany, which at that time was more intellectually astute than any other country in the world. Just because Goebbels learnt his craft from the likes of Goethe and Neitzche doesn't make it any less 'magical', same principles just a little added profanity.

Originally posted by emsed1
In the television show, Stargate: SG-1, Kvasir is a member of a race known as the Asgard. Kvasir is an Asgard scientist specialising in Time-Dialation field technology. As Thor is busy in the Asgard home galaxy in "Ripple Effect", Kvasir visits Earth in Thor's stead to help Earth fix a problem with alternate realities. Kvasir also assists SG-1 in battling the Ori at the end of season 9 of SG-1.[2] Kvasir survives the battle and helps to repair the transporters of the Odyssey.[3]

Originally posted by EnlightenUp


Caption:

In the Prose Edda, Gylfi, King of Sweden before the arrival of the Æsir under Odin, travels to Asgard, questions the three officials shown in the illumination concerning the Æsir, and is beguiled. Note that the officials have one eye, a sign of Odin. One of his attributes is that he can make the false seem true. 18th century Icelandic manuscript.

en.wikipedia.org...

When the British decided to invade Iceland they detailed Asgard in Iceland as a target. As Nordurland pointed out, there is nothing really there, except some kind of camp or farm, but the British considered it a specific target, and, when one of their planes came down near there they sent a unit out there to guard the plane until it could be salvaged. Once Iceland was secured, Churchill, personally, requested that the Canadian forces take over. Maybe nothing, but little things do seem to crop up over and over again.

I'm also intrigued by the fact that Kvasir is another god of ecstasy.

After the war between the AESIR and VANIR, all the Gods made a truce by spitting into a bowl. They stirred up the mixture and created a new God of Knowledge out of the potent mess. His name was KVASIR and he was made the most amazing diplomat to prevent further disagreements

Sadly he didn't last long as he was slaughtered by treacherous dwarves, who drained his blood, mixed it with honey and fermented it into a highly potent mead. This became known as Kvas, the Mead of Inspiration, a fiery brew the color of beetroot. Drinking it was a highly enlightening experience.

www.godchecker.com...

Another reference to honey too. And undertones of Dionysus and Ikarios.

We even have a snake for good measure...

Odin changed himself into a snake and slithered through the hole into the chamber where Gunnlod guarded the mead. Resuming the form of a giant man, he persuaded Gunnlod to give him three sips of the mead. Odin drained all three vessels, changed himself into an eagle, and flew back to Asgard.

www.pantheon.org...

And, the keepers of the mead were giants, which does tie in with the Merovingian Bee-Kings and what kshaud said about the Merovingians being a race of giants...

Certainly all very interesting...fact or fiction.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Hitler wasn't into the occult but others in Nazi Germany certainly were. Only in reference to Hitler do I contend that it is black propaganda, there is no evidence to suggest that he personally had any interest in occult matters, light or dark.

I feel uncertain that he actually had to have interest in the usual sense. A 'chain of command' had to be created.

His vegetarianism was due to health problems and was a prescribed diet by his physician Dr Morrell. Morrell's diaries and notes give no indication that he sought to balance out Hitler's Karma. Though, Hitler can be considered a tool or force to be utilised, or he was, initially, after a time it becomes hard to tell who is pulling who's strings.

I say that because vegetarianism is highly encouraged in the occult though on the white side not solely for the purpose of domination but for obtaining mastery over one's own conditions. Thus, the requirements of certain habits are patently obvious to me from an occult perspective. Some light is required to have any power.

Ever wonder why Hitler almost never appeared in public following Hess's flight to Scotland?
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Hitler himself experienced an 'ecstatic vision' which coincided with the return of his sight during treatment at Pasewalk after he had been gassed on the front line. Hitler's own sense of destiny and 'rightness' instilled confidence in others. Sometimes that's all it takes.

The transformation at Pasewalk is interesting in that either Hitler we know as the Fuhrer was not Hitler or indeed Hitler no longer was Hitler in that he was perhaps used as a vessel for another entity that was under the control of Hess (or perhaps was controlling Hess). Now that I think about it, "walk-in clinic" now takes on a whole new meaning.

A major theme of White's A Once and Future King is the debate on whether might can ever be used for right. All depends though, on who happens to think they're right.

By taking actions, good and bad can get tightly raveled and create new Karma. Adepts and Masters aren't exactly noted for their abundance of direct participation in human affairs.

Additionally, what Goebbels did, secularly, is still occult practice, there is little difference except in the semantics. Psychology and propaganda spring from the same well as arcane knowledge does.

Yes, the occult is indeed rooted in deep phychological principles. It is an early science of the mind. The mind being the key tool for manifesting. All is mind. On one level, it may be considered a method of willfully modulating neurotrasmitters, mental alchemy with a basis in mental chemistry.

Additionally, upon further reflection, I will split my first distinct category into "'theys' that do bad" and "'theys' that do good to do bad".

The chosen will know the true nature of my message.
And its intent.

Originally posted by Kvasir
The chosen will know the true nature of my message.
And its intent.

Chosen for what? The only thing I was chosen for was to spend a lifetime abiding the chaotic idosyncrasies of Clarkes.

Originally posted by Kvasir
The chosen will know the true nature of my message.
And its intent.

I think I get it, but I need to wrap my head around it a little more because I don't want to jump to conclusions.

We are living in interesting times.

All the farmers are watching the pigs and nobody is watching the henhouse.

Originally posted by emsed1
We are living in interesting times.

That is supposed to be a Chinese curse.

"May you live in interesting times"
"May you come to the attention of those in authority "
"May you find what you are looking for"

All the farmers are watching the pigs and nobody is watching the henhouse.

Heh. Pork salad, sauteed by torch, eaten with pitchforks. Swines flew. The time is nigh.

Hmmm...May Day! is a distress call as well. Perhaps some old programming is being activated.

[edit on 4/30/2009 by EnlightenUp]

This thread, as for many who have read and participated in it's evolution will know that it's been a fascinating read. It's challenged world views and opened up minds to new possibilities.

I've been quite for a while now because I've had various factors in life that have caused me to be away. While away I've been reading the post and trying to keep up to date.

One of the factors that has kept me from participating an issue that I see as rather troublesome. Here on ATS it has been my understanding that when information or an idea leads you down a path you explore that possibility.

I do understand the argument that that there are those that wish to steer away from such topics due to the tendency that occurs to attract attention of "undesirables".

I feel I've been very open minded, coming from complete disbelief, to doubt, to considering, to more or less believing what Maban said is true.

So with my opinion I find it difficult to comment and participate in this discussion. It saddens me because I very much wish to be apart of such an amazing discussion.

I know for a fact that others (I will not name members) feel the same way. So for the time being I will sit back and enjoy the post. Perhaps when the day comes where I feel I can re-join the conversation, I will happily join in.

Until then you may contact me in private messages.




- Omega

I didn't mean to sound facetious.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and I think the least we can do (even Maban recommended this) is to inject some levity.

I have checked with three independent sources, two in government emergency management and one who is a very informed private consultant to try and verify my theories.

Here is what I believe:

- We are being mislead about the flu 'pandemic'.

- Official channels are being used to spread disinformation, even contradicting disinformation

- Tomorrow is May Day. Or Mayday. It is the halfway point of the equinoxes and is a celebration of the 'sun'. Dancing around the maypole with satin ribbons is one way of celebrating, thus "day of satin and sun".

- The truth behind this charade will be (at least partially) made apparent tomorrow and over the weekend.

- The majority of the public is not ready to hear or understand what's really going on behind the scenes. Confusion and panic have already been running rampant.

- Most of the followers of this thread KNOW intuitively that things are not as they appear. It is critical for your own sanity that you don't let the media/government/internet/grapevine dictate your actions. You must look, listen and judge the situation that is developing with your OWN faculties.

Those are my 'beliefs' and 'opinions'.

Now, for what I can confirm factually. (Again... use your own judgment)

1) Despite being more widespread and slightly more severe than officials are willing to admit, this virus IS treatable and CAN be contained. It is spreading through transportation systems and areas where large groups of people spend significant time around each other (public buildings, workplaces, schools).

2) There are currently adequate supplies of antiviral medicines that have been released from US national stockpiles. Most have been delivered as of tonight (under Federal and State police protection) to larger regional hospitals. I don't know about other world regions, though. It bears repeating that you should stay away from Emergency Rooms and crowded clinics unless you are absolutely sure you are showing symptoms, and then only long enough to receive an antiviral.

3) As lame as it sounds the MOST EFFECTIVE deterrent to the flu is vigorous, frequent handwashing; disinfection of common areas; avoiding places where large groups of people are gathered; and as crazy as it sounds - fresh air and sunshine.

Finally, it sounds ominous and a little attention-whory, but I have not been able to specifically uncover what the actual deception is. I know there is a deception. I know it is not benevolent. I know that the health scare and economic 'crisis' have been manufactured to conceal it, but I honestly don't know what it's true nature is, only that it is not benevolent.

When you distill the Illuminon tactics and behavior from the message and separate the actions from the thoughts I think it makes a lot of sense in a 'Sun Tzu' sort of way.

The following days will be intriguing. Perhaps nothing at all will happen and people will think I am a jackass, but I'm ok with that. :-)

Argh! Not more swine flu!

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and I think the least we can do (even Maban recommended this) is to inject some levity.

Here, here!

I have checked with three independent sources, two in government emergency management and one who is a very informed private consultant to try and verify my theories.

Here is what I believe:

- We are being mislead about the flu 'pandemic'.

- Official channels are being used to spread disinformation, even contradicting disinformation

The truth of the matter? I have felt like something is fishy. One thing that I have been stuck on for many days is that if the media is being saturated with the pandemic, what else isn't being reported?

Something perhaps coincidental that was shown while CNN (iirc) was reporting the first cases in the U.S. was that they showed a statue of San Francisco de Asis, the patron saint of animals. This notion will probably reminds you of the movie The Happening where the plants in an effort to protect themselves release a toxin into the air.

- Tomorrow is May Day. Or Mayday. It is the halfway point of the equinoxes and is a celebration of the 'sun'. Dancing around the maypole with satin ribbons is one way of celebrating, thus "day of satin and sun".

- The truth behind this charade will be (at least partially) made apparent tomorrow and over the weekend.

Excellent. I'd like some good info rather than media hysteria. Let's have justifiable hysteria over something really happening for once.

- The majority of the public is not ready to hear or understand what's really going on behind the scenes. Confusion and panic have already been running rampant.

I wouldn't might that they just get it over with already and drop a huge bomb. We cannot be babied under this notion of "we can't hear what's really going on" and make any true progress. You say 'they' will, so I shouldn't complain too much.

True economic collapse? Asteroid? Imminent nuclear war? Alien invasion?

- Most of the followers of this thread KNOW intuitively that things are not as they appear. It is critical for your own sanity that you don't let the media/government/internet/grapevine dictate your actions. You must look, listen and judge the situation that is developing with your OWN faculties.

Sanity? I never started with any so nothing is lost. Probably already in evidence in this and other posts anyway.

Finally, it sounds ominous and a little attention-whory, but I have not been able to specifically uncover what the actual deception is. I know there is a deception. I know it is not benevolent. I know that the health scare and economic 'crisis' have been manufactured to conceal it, but I honestly don't know what it's true nature is, only that it is not benevolent.

We all know there is a deception and things are not what they appear. So we come to ATS, gather around a digital campfire and tell spooky stories in UTF-8 of monsters in the woods and a world gone mad. Perhaps a bear is really charging the encampment this time?

The following days will be intriguing. Perhaps nothing at all will happen and people will think I am a jackass, but I'm ok with that. :-)

No, no. If nothing happens, then the sense of relief is sweeter. Attention-whore away and I might have more interesting dreams tonight.

reply to post by emsed1


Oh, well, as long as you're OK with me thinking you're a jackass...

The only "evil" actions my government has taken in regard to the Swine Flu pandemic is to provide as much information as possible about what's happening on a global scale and publishing precautionary measures concerning influenza in general.

Should I assume that their advice around the following is disinformation?:

"- cover your mouth when you cough with a tissue. Throw the tissue in the garbage bin after you use it,
- wash your hands often with soap & water, especially after you cough or sneeze
- avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth as germs spread that way
- try to avoid close contact with sick people
- if you get sick, stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to avoid infecting them."

But I jest....

It seems to me that fearmongers like you thrive in environments such as this, where there is already a lot of panic and upset.

I don't believe your claims that you've hired private consultants, or consulted well-informed government officials.

And, returning to my first sentence, yes, I do think you're a jackass. Tomorrow will come, and then will be no great breakthrough confirming your wild theories and attempts at generating controversy.

Just wait and see.

Adios.



[edit on 30-4-2009 by Roark]

reply to post by Roark


Sometimes even *I* think I am a jackass! :-)

I am still iffy on the whole Tamiflu thing though. Everything I've read said that it only reduces flu symptoms by one day. I don't know if I would risk a trip to the ER over it.

So far, though, it's a beautiful day and the sun is peeking through the clouds.

Originally posted by oconnection
This thread, as for many who have read and participated in it's evolution will know that it's been a fascinating read. It's challenged world views and opened up minds to new possibilities.

I've been quite for a while now because I've had various factors in life that have caused me to be away. While away I've been reading the post and trying to keep up to date.

One of the factors that has kept me from participating an issue that I see as rather troublesome. Here on ATS it has been my understanding that when information or an idea leads you down a path you explore that possibility.

I do understand the argument that that there are those that wish to steer away from such topics due to the tendency that occurs to attract attention of "undesirables".

I feel I've been very open minded, coming from complete disbelief, to doubt, to considering, to more or less believing what Maban said is true.

So with my opinion I find it difficult to comment and participate in this discussion. It saddens me because I very much wish to be apart of such an amazing discussion.

I know for a fact that others (I will not name members) feel the same way. So for the time being I will sit back and enjoy the post. Perhaps when the day comes where I feel I can re-join the conversation, I will happily join in.

Until then you may contact me in private messages.

- Omega

Hi there - I, for one, would very much be interested in your opinion... and others as well. There is no reason to not participate except personal choice as this thread (as all) are there for that reason... Please do

I also read along, and seldom post so hope you will share your opinions as it has value to me. Thanks . K.

reply to post by kshaund


I think Omega and Kshaund have both made valuable contributions to this thread and I hope nobody feels slighted by my recent mischievousness.

In other news, remember my 'labor day' hint? There are some rumblings beginning but we will have to wait and see if anything develops.

May Day Rioting

reply to post by emsed1


Well I hope my previous post will be seen as a warning, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes so speak.

The issue that I have is the issue of aliens in relation to the story. I'm not a UFO or alien fanatic but part of the story begs the question. Is the Lumen Ab Verum a alien device? It was said it was not of this world so by definition it would be alien. Also from the description of the "Enlightened Ones" seems to fit into what you read about in the UFO field.

I understand that this topic is touchy to some and thus it been asked not to entertain the idea because it may attract all the UFO crazies.

For me keeping it of of this discussion based on we don't want to have unsavory individuals is not a good enough reason to skip over possibilities. When one has little to go on in the first place I feel the need to look under ever stone, follow every lead, explore every idea if one would hope to understand such a secretive topic such as this.

Please try to understand my position, if I find that I was wrong to hold this view I will like in the past admit my mistake. Until then please consider what has been said.




- Omega

[edit on 1-5-2009 by oconnection]

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I don't think your view is wrong at all.

I am still trying to figure out the whole Lumen Ab Verum thing as well and have been voraciously digging into old texts and trying to make sense of it.

From the various things I've read and asked it seems like it is some kind of device that originated in some other place (or time) and it was placed here by non-humans.

Through some method I haven't been able to understand it seems to be able to transmit knowledge or wisdom to certain people.

I also think it passes information back to whoever or whatever placed it here to monitor our progress as a civilization.

I also have the gut sense that it cannot be destroyed, at least not through any method humans currently possess.

Originally posted by emsed1
I am still trying to figure out the whole Lumen Ab Verum thing as well and have been voraciously digging into old texts and trying to make sense of it.

You know of old texts that mention it by that name or are you inferring that it refers to this object? Which texts?

Through some method I haven't been able to understand it seems to be able to transmit knowledge or wisdom to certain people.

Through connecting with it by thought remotely? Maban already mentioned it can do it by interacting directly.

I also think it passes information back to whoever or whatever placed it here to monitor our progress as a civilization.

I also have the gut sense that it cannot be destroyed, at least not through any method humans currently possess.

Maban said that straight up already did he not?

Have you found out anything beyond Maban's claims? Are you just doing Mayday skylarking?

[edit on 5/1/2009 by EnlightenUp]

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

This drink called kvas also appears to be called dwale and has other stories connected to it involving dwarfs and titans. The legend seems to be referring to its ingredients being refined or mixed as belladonna and opiates increase its hallucinogentic effects.
The word dwarf appears in old Norse as ’dvergr’, (Dva-Righ) with no apparent etymology. The closest word to it in English is Dwale which, in Danish is spelt ’dvale’ which is a soporific drink made from Deadly Nightshade or Belladonna, an ingredient of the witches flying ointment.

Tolkien took names for his dwarves from the Icelandic ’Prose Edda’. these names included Dwalin or Dvale, the shamanic flying potion, and Durin, who was creator of the nordic Dwarves. Durin is perhaps -Dva-Rign implying Death’s King, or the King of the Otherworld which seems appropriate in relation to The Scythian cult of Nergal etc. Dwar turns up in Transylvania as the god Thor of the (smith’s) Hammer. Dwalin was the Elf-Smith who forged the head of Odin’s spear, Gungnir, perhaps with meteor iron.

The word dwarf has nothing to do with midgets. Like the Troll - whose name simply means migrant wanderer - the dwarf has become an underground-dwelling spirit of diminutive proportions, when once they were probably, like the trolls, of "giants" size. We must appreciate such a term in the same way as we would think of Titans as being gigantic or "great" men of renown. The dwarves represent an early class of Danish god.

reply to post by emsed1

If i recall correctly this story about the Lumen Ab Verum sounds very similar to this anecdote i just read
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
For us, the Lapsit Exillis is also a cornerstone, for it is the solid rock upon which our ideals stand, and upon which we have built our work. For us, the Stone that fell from Heaven provides the foundation of our fraternity, and is certainly a jewel most valued.

The stone that fell to earth was an emerald that adorned Lucifer’s forehead. It was cut into the shape of a bowl by a faithful angel, and thus the Grail was born. It was given to Adam before he was expelled from the Garden of Eden. Seth, Adam’s son, having temporarily returned to the earthly paradise, took the Grail along with him. Other people transported the Grail to Montsegur, a fortress in the Pyrenees, which Lucifer’s armies besieged in order to get the Grail back and put it into their leader’s crown, out of which it had fallen; but the Grail was allegedly saved by knights who hid it within a mountain.

- Julius Evola, The Mystery of the Grail
I have no idea what these stories are about but they are intriguing as they seem to be referring to something that actually happened. But what was it?

reply to post by emsed1


I'll add my own piece from U2U discussion that Maban has given me permission to share at my discretion.

Originally posted by Maban
reply to post by SystemiK

 

4. I would also be very interested to know if you have any theories regarding DNA and any possible role it may play in a possible next step up for humanity.

A: DNA is one of the two base codes for life/sentience. That said, I am sure we will see some interesting future mutations of RNA transcriptions. However,i would stress the development of mental clarity will propel us further into the future than any DNA based technological advancements to ourselves.

Continuing with U2U content:

EU: You also mentioned that we should be seeing "interesting RNA transcriptions" on-thread when the time comes (by the lumen ab verum). Does that mean we all get the "treatment"? What abilities (or other changes in traits) do we acquire as a result?

Firstly, you took what I said out of context. This was unique to Illuminons. We do know that when the Enlightened Ones arrive that they will retake their lumen ab verum; for it has also been recording human history, that is its dual purpose, so they can understand us better.

The only ones that get the "treatment" as you call it, are the [chosen] individuals whom are able to use their technology. It does not bestow any abilities beyond knowledge, and even then it is limited to each individuals mental aptitude and capacity.

I asked this as well:

Second, a very strange question perhaps: Are you, the being behind 'Maban', in fact, fully human?

He asked what drove me to ask that and I gave my reasons to which he replied:

Interesting observations; they are duly noted to attempt to avoid that in the future. Lets just say that saying I am human, would be a flat out lie. Also to say that I an non-human would too indeed be inaccurate. I really should not even answer your question, but given you have greeted my questions with answers, I will return that favor in kind to the best of my abilities. Glean from this statement what you will, it is all that I can supply:

"The lumen ab verum is capable of RNA transcription for users who already poses extremely specific coded sequences."

"I think, maybe, but I don't know, but I'm startin' to feel like I got a brain problem situation, on my hands."

[edit on 5/1/2009 by EnlightenUp]