Shards of the Illuminati

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


No; people are not "born" evil, they become it. What I am saying, is that there is a precipice, a point of no return. A point where there exists no room for any illumination; only darkness. There is a point where the darkness is irreversible. This is a side dialogue in itself, however for the sake of this thread as you suggest; I will agree to disagree at such point in time.

- Maban

reply to post by Darky6K

Tenzin: Dulce, disbanded. I heard they allegedly built a housing development over the old entrance.

It has since been redistributed to numerous facilities across the United States. The primary facility being that of Dugway Proving grounds.

Nightmare hall did exist, and still does. Its actually a system of containment corridors which inactive/past projects are moved into for permanent storage. Dulce was not to have thought to exist, or rather, was in speculation of existence, until some experimental information leaked out with some firsthand testimonials.

Darky6K: So who was experimented on, homeless people, soldiers? Didn't it bother your conscience at all to know the pain this stuff was causing?

Allow me to elaboarate on Tenzin's befalf, during his absence. He is away on important business for the time being.

None were "experimented upon," no homeless, no "disappeared," nothing so nefarious. Instead, genetic samples were collected covertly from key individuals possessing certain "superior" genetic traits. These traits where then bread into a "golem" which then acted as a "template," for repeated cloning. They are actually wired not to feel pain, which makes them equally extraordinary difficult to neutralize in open combat. Believe me when I tell you, we indeed are attempting methods of subterfuge and sabotage to prevent or at the least, inhibit any further progress. They are hard enough to take down individually; even harder in groups. And do not be mistaken, this is one of a few items which bares great weight on our conscience, morals, and ethics. We are doing everything in our power to stop these programs. The issue is they are so diversified and covert, tracking them takes great effort, and requires precious time.

Tenzin: As for the work there it is not extraterrestrial in nature, but genetic. Thus the obvious confusion of a few military security guards. It was a genetics testing lab where some of the first "true" genetic retroviruses were created. The entire purpose of the facility, officially, was to develop advanced pharmaceuticals for battlefield triage and so called miracle drugs. Its actual purpose was to design plausible genetic modifications, initially for special forces, and eventually for wide-spread use in all branches of the armed forces. Essentially giving soldiers superhuman abilities.

Darky6K: Retrovirus, what like AIDS?

No not quite, HIV/AIDS is far to virulent and uncontrollable to be easily and safely used. All viruses are quite simple structures, they typically consists of a tail, a sheath, and a head. The tail is used as feelers to latch onto perfectly normal cells, while the head funnels genetic material through the neck into the host cell. Thereby, altering and rewriting genetic structures within any specific cellular type. Modern "gene splicing," or "gene therapy" utilizes a virus like that of Ebola or Cholera. A virus which is extremely potent (in regards to the robustness of its protein shell) which can effectively spread its DNA to all desired locations, before it burns out. Such viruses which are very potent, have a very short lifespan. What geneticists do is take an assortment of a specific strain, wipe out the DNA within it, and replace it with their own design. Release the virus into a host cell/body and the genetic changes occur rapidly altering the cell/creature in any desired way. Once a successful "goleum" is created, a blank slate if you will, it is then cloned repeatedly from what is a finished template. This allows them to "breed-in" superhuman athletic abilities, strengths, reflexes, stamina, senses, etc... Needless to say, they pose a legitimate and severe threat to global continuity.

Tenzin: In recent years they have shifted their mission from making genetic modifications, to genetic breeding of the perfect soldier. Theoretically, it would be spun as a way to save American lives and not endanger our troops. Thereby allowing us to make major unilateral military actions against countries on many fronts, while maintaining a vagrant and strong domestically based military force. Such a solution would be readily and unanimously agreed upon in the face, or midst of imminent disaster/destruction.

Darky6K: Domestic for what? I thought we were winning the War on Terror, is this about the 2011 news report for the 20,000 soldiers to be put into the US?

"Winning the war on terror," you cannot so idly "win a war" against a tactic. The "War on Terrorism," is far from over. We are merely ending the prologue to the story. Given that few can rival the power of the modern world, many will see the potential terror and havoc that can be wreaked upon humanity using guerrilla tactics. The modern world's militaries must adapt quickly to counter this mounting threat. So far, they answer guerrilla warfare, with all out war; not the most tactically sound option.

These "super solders" as so dubbed, will not be used for domestic use; the American people would never allow this. Instead, they will be used as cannon fodder overseas to save American lives; or at least, that is how it will be politically and socially justified.

Tenzin; Given that people will not tolerate the idea of genetic modification for warfare for long on American citizens; it would need to be used in something which is thought of by the general populous as something which is "less-than-human."

Darky6K: So who was experimented on? You think people will approve of any genetic tampering? Some will, but most will be appalled and see it as something like Mengele's work, you know this.

Some select few soldiers did undergo voluntary genetic modification. Minor things, enhanced stamina, muscle growth, heightened senses, etc... It was minor work but was found to be too "unstable," and "controversial," to continue. Instead, rather then countering unpredictable reactions in a wide diversification of original DNA (normal people), they utilized a clean slate (golum) which would not react adversely to such treatments and provide the desired results within a margin for error. We have rendered aid and assistance to those whom have been adversely affected by such "tests," as an addendum.

>>> Continued

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Maban]

>>> Continued

Tenzin: With a force of genetically engineered super soldiers, this kind of strong and easily replaceable military force could conceivably enter into many military action indefinably and simultaneously. Genetically delete certain emotions and they seem like nothing more than mindless automatons, easily dehumanizing them and making the transition that much more easy, and subtle.

Darky6K: This is what people fear. No human is replaceable, they fear a government that is isolated from human emotions at the point it deletes feelings in soldiers to become ruthless killing machines. We fear you more, how is that a utopia?

People only fear that which they do not understand. If they understand it, if they feel in control of it; then they fear not. That is how this will inevitably be implemented, or at least would; if we had not a say in the matter.

"Us," huh? As clarification this project is perpetuated by the NIA; we launch raids against their facilities, incinerating any trace of template DNA, and dismantle the facilities to the best of our abilities. A genetically bread "killing machine," is hardly in the best interest of humanity's future, nor a move in any essence towards a utopia; if not in fact a move towards a dystopia.

Tenzin: The only cost of this program is the maintenance, refinement, and creation of more "clones." After all, where do you think George Lucas got some of his ideas? With advanced hormone therapy treatment, accelerating gestation and growth periods, a functional soldier could be bred with genetic knowledge of combat, and be in the field within six months of conception. It does cause irreparable cellular damage with the toxic levels of hormones necessary to make the transition. But, when something is less than human, its easy to simply order a replacement after it serves its use. After all, it's unlikely it would last very long in the field anyway. So long as its natural life expectancy is longer than it's in-theater survivability period, academically its a success.

Politically, its the perfect weapon to fight the never ending war on terror.

Darky6K: You're saying George Lucas is an Illuminati?

Hardly. You have come to learn of this information; have you not? And yet you are not "Illuminati," are you? This information is available to many; only those whom wish to truly and actively seek it, will find it. It is true we do "leak" certain pieces of information to certain individuals/groups, but those are done for entirely different reasons. George Lucas was an intelligent man, in the right place, at the right time, with the right ideas and the right information. Besides, we would never promote such a "public" and visible state for any Illuminon.

- Maban

reply to post by lazy1981


I understand your remarks about Hitler, and do think we see eye to eye, although I still feel we do share our differences in the details.

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
No; I indeed understood you. We are indeed at full readiness, at all times. The assault on Iceland as only reinforced this thinking. Unfortunately our adversaries are supremely arrogant, and they are no more scared by us, and we them. We stand ever upon a stalemate until the time when that stalemate will be broken by non-Illuminon means. We hold the line, we do not fight to conquer, or to win. Only to buy time for humanity.

- Maban

Well, why not go public with all of this and finish the job if these evil Illuminati are such a threat and you guys go out to clear the names of the good ones? End the corruption and tyranny and bring forth an era of enlightenment.

Originally posted by Darky6K

Originally posted by Maban
No; I indeed understood you. We are indeed at full readiness, at all times. The assault on Iceland as only reinforced this thinking. Unfortunately our adversaries are supremely arrogant, and they are no more scared by us, and we them. We stand ever upon a stalemate until the time when that stalemate will be broken by non-Illuminon means. We hold the line, we do not fight to conquer, or to win. Only to buy time for humanity.

- Maban

Well, why not go public with all of this and finish the job if these evil Illuminati are such a threat and you guys go out to clear the names of the good ones? End the corruption and tyranny and bring forth an era of enlightenment.

It's not possible to 'bring enlightenment' to a population. It's something that has to be chosen purposefully.

Any group that tried to enforce any concept on a population is going to be rejected, so it's necessary to just keep the population from blowing itself up until they figure it out themselves.

The European explorers thought they were bringing an era of enlightenment to the native peoples of America but they instead brought syphilis, slavery and the 'Church'.

Good or bad it's simply not possible to 'give' or 'bring' enlightenment. Humans are not ready nor willing at this point in history.

Originally posted by Maban
None were "experimented upon," no homeless, no "disappeared," nothing so nefarious. Instead, genetic samples were collected covertly from key individuals possessing certain "superior" genetic traits. These traits where then bread into a "golem" which then acted as a "template," for repeated cloning. They are actually wired not to feel pain, which makes them equally extraordinary difficult to neutralize in open combat. Believe me when I tell you, we indeed are attempting methods of subterfuge and sabotage to prevent or at the least, inhibit any further progress. They are hard enough to take down individually; even harder in groups. And do not be mistaken, this is one of a few items which bares great weight on our conscience, morals, and ethics. We are doing everything in our power to stop these programs. The issue is they are so diversified and covert, tracking them takes great effort, and requires precious time.

Purely created clones then to act as killing machines? Okay, well then are the bad Illuminati running this program opposed to the good ones and you guys are trying to shut it down?

Originally posted by Maban
"Winning the war on terror," you cannot so idly "win a war" against a tactic. The "War on Terrorism," is far from over. We are merely ending the prologue to the story. Given that few can rival the power of the modern world, many will see the potential terror and havoc that can be wreaked upon humanity using guerrilla tactics. The modern world's militaries must adapt quickly to counter this mounting threat. So far, they answer guerrilla warfare, with all out war; not the most tactically sound option.

These "super solders" as so dubbed, will not be used for domestic use; the American people would never allow this. Instead, they will be used as cannon fodder overseas to save American lives; or at least, that is how it will be politically and socially justified.

My statement regarding victory in the conflict was rhetorical, you cannot win against an idea. I only said that because that's what the leaders always say. But what of US SDP 7277 regarding a world police under the UN, I would assume you have heard of that?

Originally posted by Maban
People only fear that which they do not understand. If they understand it, if they feel in control of it; then they fear not. That is how this will inevitably be implemented, or at least would; if we had not a say in the matter.

"Us," huh? As clarification this project is perpetuated by the NIA; we launch raids against their facilities, incinerating any trace of template DNA, and dismantle the facilities to the best of our abilities. A genetically bread "killing machine," is hardly in the best interest of humanity's future, nor a move in any essence towards a utopia; if not in fact a move towards a dystopia.

NIA? I'll agree with you on what people don't understand, but I speak of the Illuminati in general. I don't mean to sound critical of you, you seem like a decent guy. There has been much disinformation for decades about everything and it's hard to say who to trust. For years they always said it was all for our best interest and protection, that's why I brought it up.

Originally posted by MabanHardly. You have come to learn of this information; have you not? And yet you are not "Illuminati," are you? This information is available to many; only those whom wish to truly and actively seek it, will find it. It is true we do "leak" certain pieces of information to certain individuals/groups, but those are done for entirely different reasons. George Lucas was an intelligent man, in the right place, at the right time, with the right ideas and the right information. Besides, we would never promote such a "public" and visible state for any Illuminon.

Oh, just based on the wording that's what I thought. Okay.

Originally posted by emsed1
It's not possible to 'bring enlightenment' to a population. It's something that has to be chosen purposefully.

Any group that tried to enforce any concept on a population is going to be rejected, so it's necessary to just keep the population from blowing itself up until they figure it out themselves.

The European explorers thought they were bringing an era of enlightenment to the native peoples of America but they instead brought syphilis, slavery and the 'Church'.

Good or bad it's simply not possible to 'give' or 'bring' enlightenment. Humans are not ready nor willing at this point in history.

Maybe I should have been more clear in my wording. I see what you're saying, but many people believe there is a conspiracy within the government. I'm saying if the doors were opened and everything was shown, whether it be UFO's, mystical beliefs, etc, without shoving it down one's throats and forcing the populace to adopt the practices. If this were done, could we not drive out the corruption and make the bad Illuminati afraid because the populace would want them destroyed?

For example, with the doors shut, it only causes more paranoia and thoughts of medical experiments, kidnappings, aliens, etc. You say it's not going on, but what of Phil Schneider and Danny Casolaro and the others, were they the victims of this NIA? If there wasn't so much secrecy coverups in the government we wouldn't be afraid and think this way, right? I just want justice

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Darky6K]

reply to post by Maban


Well then again there is always the possibility that you are privy to info that I may not know?

In any event I would like to say that it shows good character and I'm glad that we can have logical discussion without being disagreeable. I wish it were this easy in everyday life.

On a side note I would like to get a bit of clarification on the subject of "cloned or engineered super soldiers." Did you say that the Shards condone this in any way shape or form? Or did you say that you renounce it? I read a few things in your post that took me for a spin, I thought you were against it but now I'm not sure????

By the way these are the sorts of things that make us wary about any controling factor in our lives that we have no specific knowledge of or control over (as if we truely control the visible governments).



[edit on 3-1-2009 by lazy1981]

reply to post by Darky6K

Originally posted by Darky6K
Maybe I should have been more clear in my wording. I see what you're saying, but many people believe there is a conspiracy within the government. I'm saying if the doors were opened and everything was shown, whether it be UFO's, mystical beliefs, etc, without shoving it down one's throats and forcing the populace to adopt the practices. If this were done, could we not drive out the corruption and make the bad Illuminati afraid because the populace would want them destroyed?

Unfortunately, such an "unveiling," would bring down most organized religions, governments, and any remains of social order. The world woudl inevitably descend into chaos and destruction. Not exactly what we want for humanity.

For example, with the doors shut, it only causes more paranoia and thoughts of medical experiments, kidnappings, aliens, etc. You say it's not going on, but what of Phil Schneider and Danny Casolaro and the others, were they the victims of this NIA? If there weren't so many secret cover ups in the government we wouldn't be afraid and think this way, right? I just want justice.

My question for your pondering. Are you so sure that "blowing the doors wide open" on the whole truth would alleviate paranoia; and not induce ore catastrophically escalate it. As the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction. As it was so well stated: "the Truth? You can't handle the truth." I am not directly implying you, I merely mention that that is a good saying. Often from a conceptional viewpoint, the revelation of truth seems simple. However the truth is hardly ever "simple," in nature. Often it is messy and complicated. An inevitable snowballing effect occurs when you eventually cannot escape its weight, and eventually any "normal" life you once had, is nothing but a dim memory.

As for the NIA, they are our most formidable adversary. Tracing all their misdeeds can be likened to tracing every atom in a tornado. We get the "big picture," and some of the important details. Beyond that we do the best we can to head off any major actions.

Unfortunately justice in the idealistic sense is not so easily pursued in such an entangled and complex system. Reality (the true state of global organizations/affairs) is likened to a Persian rug. If there is a loose thread of "evidence," which is dragged out into the daylight, the rug begins to rapidly unravel. By the time you have "unraveled" the truth, there is little semblance left of a world humanity is familiar with. This sudden "unraveling," would cause so much disaster, confusion, anguish, and anger it would be unavoidable. Instead; humanity needs to come closer to the truth gradually, on its own. So when it is at last unveiled, it is trivial in nature; and essentially uninteresting at which point. "Answers now," as so many ATS'ers demand, sounds good. But in my own personal retrospect, some of the things I have bore witness to, some of the knowledge I carry; I would soon rather forget altogether. Some paths once taken, cannot be reversed.

- Maban

reply to post by lazy1981

Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by Maban

 

Well then again there is always the possibility that you are privy to info that I may not know?

Indeed. Sometimes the slightest of information, can change our realities irrevocably forever.

In any event I would like to say that it shows good character and I'm glad that we can have logical discussion without being disagreeable. I wish it were this easy in everyday life.

Arrogance is often a problem. I am always pleased to enter a dialogue with an individual, whom possesses an open mind. Recognizing our differences helps establish respect; however recognizing our similarities brings all closer to one another.

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On a side note I would like to get a bit of clarification on the subject of "cloned or engineered super soldiers." Did you say that the Shards condone this in any way shape or form? Or did you say that you renounce it? I read a few things in your post that took me for a spin, I thought you were against it but now I'm not sure????

My apologies. It appeared in my over zealousness to elaborate the specifics, I neglected the "big picture," as so to speak. I will say this, even wearing body armor, I broke several ribs when one of these soldiers caught me by surprise. The amount of firepower necessary to successfully bring one down is... impressive; to say the least. These "creatures," are viewed as a sort of "weapon," de-humanized in every way. Our combat operations focus in part on destroying their cloning capabilities. We do condone and abhor these acts, and fight them at every available opportunity.; for your clarification.

By the way these are the sorts of things that make us wary about any controlling factor in our lives that we have no specific knowledge of or control over (as if we truly control the visible governments).

There will always be forces trying to control humanity to some degree, whether for good or evil. The issues is everyone is attempting to "control," when that should not be the case. If left un-manipulated humanity woudl flourish and advanced beyond our wildest dreams, in a short number of years. For further clarification to those whom woudl find hypocrisy in that statement; we do not control/manipulate the masses or individuals. We manipulate the manipulators, out of their ability to manipulate.

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
Unfortunately, such an "unveiling," would bring down most organized religions, governments, and any remains of social order. The world woudl inevitably descend into chaos and destruction. Not exactly what we want for humanity.

I see what you're saying.

My question for your pondering. Are you so sure that "blowing the doors wide open" on the whole truth would alleviate paranoia; and not induce ore catastrophically escalate it. As the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction. As it was so well stated: "the Truth? You can't handle the truth." I am not directly implying you, I merely mention that that is a good saying. Often from a conceptional viewpoint, the revelation of truth seems simple. However the truth is hardly ever "simple," in nature. Often it is messy and complicated. An inevitable snowballing effect occurs when you eventually cannot escape its weight, and eventually any "normal" life you once had, is nothing but a dim memory.

You make it sound like the Syndicate in The X-Files or the X-Men, no offense. You're supposedly fighting a group of people in the same group as you to protect a public that would hate and fear you. I'm not trying to offend you in all honesty, but I do think I could handle the truth as I have been wanting to work in the justice field.

As for the NIA, they are our most formidable adversary. Tracing all their misdeeds can be likened to tracing every atom in a tornado. We get the "big picture," and some of the important details. Beyond that we do the best we can to head off any major actions.

The big picture, okay, so did they create communism, the greed in the World Bank and what the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman spoke of, economic crisis, Grenada Treaty, SDP 7277, etc?

Unfortunately justice in the idealistic sense is not so easily pursued in such an entangled and complex system. Reality (the true state of global organizations/affairs) is likened to a Persian rug. If there is a loose thread of "evidence," which is dragged out into the daylight, the rug begins to rapidly unravel. By the time you have "unraveled" the truth, there is little semblance left of a world humanity is familiar with. This sudden "unraveling," would cause so much disaster, confusion, anguish, and anger it would be unavoidable. Instead; humanity needs to come closer to the truth gradually, on its own. So when it is at last unveiled, it is trivial in nature; and essentially uninteresting at which point. "Answers now," as so many ATS'ers demand, sounds good. But in my own personal retrospect, some of the things I have bore witness to, some of the knowledge I carry; I would soon rather forget altogether. Some paths once taken, cannot be reversed.

- Maban

I agree somewhat with you, but in a way can this not be like a bad relationship? Think about this; would you rather stick stick with said abusive spouse/boyfriend/girlfriend and keep telling yourself the lie that they love you while they hit you and demean you, OR take the bold step and bravely walk away? Yes, it will be scary at first, but going back to religion, your faith in whichever God you follow should be strong enough to guide you through anything, right? And with loved ones at your side, I know I'd be good. That's faith, if I cannot convert someone to atheism for example with fossils, then what would aliens do? I believe aliens exist, I've seen things to make me believe, doesn't make me doubt God.

Originally posted by Maban
None were "experimented upon," no homeless, no "disappeared," nothing so nefarious. Instead, genetic samples were collected covertly from key individuals possessing certain "superior" genetic traits. These traits where then bread into a "golem" which then acted as a "template," for repeated cloning. They are actually wired not to feel pain, which makes them equally extraordinary difficult to neutralize in open combat. Believe me when I tell you, we indeed are attempting methods of subterfuge and sabotage to prevent or at the least, inhibit any further progress. They are hard enough to take down individually; even harder in groups. And do not be mistaken, this is one of a few items which bares great weight on our conscience, morals, and ethics. We are doing everything in our power to stop these programs. The issue is they are so diversified and covert, tracking them takes great effort, and requires precious time.

I have to extend my apologies, I thought you were going all off the wall with this, I did a little checking, talked to one or two people and it seems that all this is indeed possible and that papers have in actual fact been published that cover both artificial gestation and accelerated growth. Even the wiring without pain is in fact plausible. I am surprised I have to admit, just goes to show you shouldn't be too quick to judge.

We live and learn. Ideally

Originally posted by Maban
No, Illuminati woudl best correlate to "Illuminated Ones." "Enlightenment," is found whence once travels beyond "Illumination," to that of "Enlightenment." Conversely, "Enlightened Ones," are quite literally those whom we learned from, and those whom gave us our purpose.

I apologize if this has been asked before, as this thread is quite long, but could you please clarify, to the best of your ability, who these "Enlightened Ones" truly are?

Animal, vegetable, or mineral?

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Eleleth]

reply to post by Darky6K

You make it sound like the Syndicate in The X-Files or the X-Men, no offense. You're supposedly fighting a group of people in the same group as you to protect a public that would hate and fear you. I'm not trying to offend you in all honesty, but I do think I could handle the truth as I have been wanting to work in the justice field.

You may, but the populous in whole most likely could not. Bear in mind many are happy and content with their own lives. Bothersome information about eh world which may shift or alter that would be seen as undesirable in all most likelihood.

The big picture, okay, so did they create communism, the greed in the World Bank and what the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman spoke of, economic crisis, Grenada Treaty, SDP 7277, etc?

They operate a little like us, influencing events from the background. They utilize global/domestic agencies and organization to do their work. Given that their actions are so "spread out" and diversified, many things simply go unnoticed. If we could track every action in the world, even then it would be difficult. We do know that they are behind key projects/programs; especially within the USG.

I agree somewhat with you, but in a way can this not be like a bad relationship? Think about this; would you rather stick stick with said abusive spouse/boyfriend/girlfriend and keep telling yourself the lie that they love you while they hit you and demean you, OR take the bold step and bravely walk away? Yes, it will be scary at first, but going back to religion, your faith in whichever God you follow should be strong enough to guide you through anything, right? And with loved ones at your side, I know I'd be good. That's faith, if I cannot convert someone to atheism for example with fossils, then what would aliens do? I believe aliens exist, I've seen things to make me believe, doesn't make me doubt God.

I apologize, but I fail to successfully follow you analogy. Perhaps rephrasing or restructuring it may help me better understand your meaning.

- Maban

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Maban]

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


As I said my specialties lye in advanced technologies (specifically implementation) and tactical analysis/action.

- Maban

reply to post by Eleleth


I will elaborate in a U2U.

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
I will elaborate in a U2U.

- Maban

Oh, thank you. Perhaps this question is better suited for public discussion: what is the real significance of the Owl, as seen in Bohemian Grove, the map of Washington, DC and so forth?

Am I right in thinking that there is a Gnostic connection to Sophia (Wisdom) and her Pagan antecedents in Athena and Isis?

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Eleleth]

reply to post by Eleleth

Oh, thank you. Perhaps this question is better suited for public discussion

If you are referring to the Enlightened Ones, then no. Such a discussion is solely reserved for U2U's only, just as a kind clarification.

What is the real significance of the Owl, as seen in Bohemian Grove, the map of Washington, DC and so forth?

Firstly, we are not affiliated nor associated with the Bohemian Grove whatsoever, to be clear. I do know, that the Owl symbolizes for some: awareness, a silent watcher, and immense but concealed power. There are also some spiritual undertones, but I am unaware of their details. We have not overly concerned ourselves with his group given that they specifically pose little threat. It is more of a "good ole' boys club, than a "true" secret society.

Map of Washington DC? I will infer you are referring to the street layout? I honestly possess little knowledge of such origins/details. Bare in mind the Shards first arrived in the US circa 1900's, well after DC was born. Perhaps a Mason will be happy to help, they after all built/designed much of it.

Am I right in thinking that there is a Gnostic connection to Sophia (Wisdom) and her Pagan antecedents in Athena and Isis?

Unfortunately I am not versed much in Greek mythology, so perhaps you can elaborate, or expand your question to more common terms.

- Maban

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Some great post on this page Maban. When people ask for truth they often do not realize the scope of what they are asking for. Truth is not always a good thing, we’re made to believe this but it is not always so. Truth can be very ugly to look at; the truth can be an unimaginably destructive force as well. When people comprehend what truth truly is then perhaps they will be able to handle it, but this truth seeking mission should be completed in careful steps, and with no expectation. Otherwise we set ourselves up for chaos and disappointment.