What are the Masonic Secrets?

Also did someone imply thay I could attend a Masonic Lodge with an actual Masonic meeting as an observant and not a member or initiate to the lodge?

If so, would this carry on as a normal Masonic meeting or would it be different as for the reason that a non mason is in attendance?

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Why do Masonic Lodges have no windows?

Why do theaters (stage or cinema) have no windows?

How is it that you can refer to someone as worshipful master and at the same time DENY you are the member of a religious cult?

In traditional English, the term "worshipful" is used to indicate honor or respect. Still used that way in England for judges. The Worshipful Master is the honored master of the lodge. We pay him respect that he is due, and for the year he's in office, he does his best to lead the business of the lodge well.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Also did someone imply thay I could attend a Masonic Lodge with an actual Masonic meeting as an observant and not a member or initiate to the lodge?

No, you could not witness a tiled meeting. There's a guy at the door with a sword who's job it is to keep you out. But often there are open meetings a few times a year, either celebrating certain holidays or giving awards to members or non-members, or similar.

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Originally posted by 12.21.12
Why do Masonic Lodges have no windows?

Why do theaters (stage or cinema) have no windows?

So that outsiders can not look in.

How is it that you can refer to someone as worshipful master and at the same time DENY you are the member of a religious cult?

In traditional English, the term "worshipful" is used to indicate honor or respect. Still used that way in England for judges. The Worshipful Master is the honored master of the lodge. We pay him respect that he is due, and for the year he's in office, he does his best to lead the business of the lodge well.

Why not just call him honorable and pay him respect?

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Why do theaters (stage or cinema) have no windows?

So that outsiders can not look in.

Why not just call him honorable and pay him respect?

That's what we're doing. You have a problem with synonyms?

www.cephas-library.com...

Masons Desire to Rebuild Solomon's Temple




"Fervent Masonic Desire To Rebuild Solomon's Temple Is The Driving Force Behind Events In Israel: Once Completed, Prophecy Will Be Fulfilled".

If you have not read this article, we encourage you to stop right now and do so, for then you will understand the precepts of this article.

Basically, Freemasonry will not allow Israel to be destroyed by the Palestinians and/or any combination of Muslim armies for the following reasons:

1. European and American Freemasonry draws all its allegories, symbolism, and future plans from the Jewish sacred writings known as the Old Testament. Since world events are being driven by European and American Freemasonry, this consideration is most important.

2. Freemasonry has always planned to gain control of the Temple Mount so they can rebuild Solomon's Temple. As soon as they rebuild this Temple, their Masonic Christ will appear on the earth, claiming to be the Jewish Messiah for whom Israel has long been awaiting. This "Christ" will be the Biblical Antichrist.

3. On July 2, 1187, Knights Templar forces were surrounded by Muslim armies, suffering a cut-off of water supplies. On July 4, 1187, Knights Templar -- the direct predecessor to Freemasonry -- lost their sacred relic, supposedly the cross on which Jesus was actually crucified (True Cross), was lost to Muslim Saladin armies at the Battle of Hattin. Without the True Cross, the Knights Templar forces were slaughtered by the Muslims. ["The Battle Of Hattin - July 4th, 1187", Templar History]

Masons do NOT forget history, and I can tell you that they have been secretly planning their revenge. When they exact their revenge against Muslim forces, all sorts of End of the Age prophecies will be fulfilled, from Obadiah 15-18 to Zechariah 12.

Do you believe your masonic establishment has the GOD GIVEN right or ANY RIGHT whatsoever to rebuild Solomons Temple in the place of the Temple Mount in Israel?

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Masonry uses a lot of old English terms. Worshipful means "Full of Worship."
If you've seen some of those older Medieval movies, many of the old time officials in the movies are introduced as the "Worshipful Lord Whats'isface"
The windows are blocks for the same reason you have window curtains or blinds. They expect a bit of privacy.
No, it's required when they do their ritual work, when someone is promoted to their next degree.
Now, if you don't have window blinds or curtains, and are perfectly fine with people peeking in your windows at any time of the day, then I can't help you there.

Some degrees are open to the public. The 33rd degree is, I believe, open since it's a honorary degree.
This seems to a valid video, never seen a 33rd degree first hand.
www.youtube.com...
Any of the Masons here are free to correct me, but I don't know of many groups that wear swinging hats like the older fellow has.

There are open lodges, where non-Masons are allowed into the lodge. The have dinners where prospective masons can join into a dinner with the other lodge members and meet and greet. Never been to one myself. The local lodges meet on Tuesday, and I don't have any time to stop by then.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Do you believe your masonic establishment has the GOD GIVEN right or ANY RIGHT whatsoever to rebuild Solomons Temple in the place of the Temple Mount in Israel?

No. Nor would we want to. The article you cite is anti-Masonic propaganda. There's no provable connection between the actual mediaeval Knights Templar and modern Masonry. It's a fairy tale that some people want to believe when they're feeling particularly chivalric... justifies them marching around with pointy bits of steel and wearing outrageous hats, if you ask me. Masonry as an institution has no interest in Israel. Individual members may, but as politics and religion are forbidden topics within the lodge, such thoughts are kept private out of respect for those whom might disagree with them.

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The word worshipful according to the Websters dictionary.

www.merriam-webster.com...

worshipful-
1 aarchaic : notable , distinguished bchiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction2: giving or expressing worship or veneration

A way of paying respect? Perhaps. A form of Idolatry? Most definitely.

At Denver International Airport there is a mural depicting woman carrying dead babies. A mural with a soldier dressed with a Gas Mask as to signify a global pandemic. A picture of a dead Native American, A girl with a Bible wearing the seal of Solomon and African American woman all in caskets. A picture of a German boy hammering weapons into plowshares. And a masonic capstone speaking of a time capsule for the people of the earth 100 years from now written in Brail with the Masonic Logo clearly visible on the capstone. The capstone was laid in 1994 and is eerily similar to the Georgia Guide Stones that seem to be the new 10 Commandments for the new age of Aquarius.

Would you care to explain what conspiracy Freemasons are having in mind for the year 2012 or is this merely some strange coincidence?

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Do you believe your masonic establishment has the GOD GIVEN right or ANY RIGHT whatsoever to rebuild Solomons Temple in the place of the Temple Mount in Israel?

That article makes a lot of assumption.
Since Masonry is not a religion, there is no Masonic Messiah. There is nothing in Masonry that speaks of a Masonic Messiah either.

he assumes that the Knights Templar were the direct ancestors of Masonry. Lots of people make that assumption, many people, both Masons and non want or believe it to be true, but there's no evidence of it.

Now, stop for a second here. Apparently, according to this fellow the Templar obtained their power form the true Cross, from God.
Yet he goes on to indicate that Freemasons are not Christian.

Let us stop right here to assimilate what we have just learned. John Dee, a favorite with Queen Elizabeth and her astrologer, believed -- as do Rosicrucians and Freemasons -- that benevolent "higher spiritual beings" are just waiting in one of many other dimensions to aid "Perfected Men" like Dee, men who have perfected themselves through proceeding up through the ranks of the secret societies. Sir Edward Kelly was the spiritual "channeler" through which Dee contacted spiritual beings.

Freemasonry makes no statements about God. Each Mason brings his own religion with him. Masonry's only intended impact is to make the Mason stronger in his faith, while being tolerant of other's belief.

Let's see a bunch of nonsense about the Bible... then Atlantis... which is not mentioned in FreeMasonry either...
The Pyramid with the Eye has had several meanings through history, as one group forgets it or another gives it their own meaning.
The compass and the Square were tools of Operative stonemasons. And people like me who enjoy making geometric based mandalas. The G inside, which is a predominantly American (from my understanding) symbol, stands for God or Geometry.

If any Masons desire to rebuild the Temple, it's their own affair, and not one of Masonry. This fellow is a Anti-Mason, he's basing his work on lies and assumptions based on his own beliefs.
He considers Atlantis a advanced, pre-diluvian society. Plato, the onl fellow we get the story from, called it a warlike society that was defeated by the Pre-Athenians.

I dunno what you want from it, but he's either making up stuff or relying on someone or someones that are.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
reply to post by JoshNorton

 

The word worshipful according to the Websters dictionary.

www.merriam-webster.com...

worshipful-
1 aarchaic : notable , distinguished bchiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction2: giving or expressing worship or veneration

A way of paying respect? Perhaps. A form of Idolatry? Most definitely.

In your view only. The intended use is the first definition, and the original definition. Just 'cause you assume it to be other doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
The word worshipful according to the Websters dictionary.

www.merriam-webster.com...

worshipful-
1 aarchaic : notable , distinguished bchiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction2: giving or expressing worship or veneration

A way of paying respect? Perhaps. A form of Idolatry? Most definitely.

Aw, if you're going to go dictionary quoting, at least show some class...

From the OED:

1. Of things: Notable or outstanding in respect of some (good) quality or property; distinguished, imposing; reputable, honourable. Now arch.
2. Of persons: Distinguished in respect of character or rank; entitled to honour or respect on this account. Now arch.
3. a. As an honorific title for persons or bodies of distinguished rank or importance: formerly used very widely, but now restricted to the livery companies and freemasons' lodges and their masters. right worshipful is applied to mayors.
b. Used in forms of address, as worshipful sir, (right) worshipful master, etc.
c. absol. (chiefly pl.) or as n. In later use spec. a magistrate.
4. Showing or bringing honour or distinction to a person; reputable or honourable for one. Obs.
5. Imbued with the spirit of worship or veneration.
6. Deserving or capable of being worshipped; worshipable.

Clearly we're using it in the sense of definition 3.

Whereas the OED's 2nd definition for Idolatry is "Immoderate attachment to or veneration for any person or thing; admiration savouring of adoration." There's no indication that referring to an officer by his title is immoderate. That's like saying "all rise" when a judge enters the courtroom is idolatry.

And as a follow up to my previous question.

What is the New World Airport Commision??

Originally posted by 12.21.12
At Denver International Airport there is a mural depicting woman carrying dead babies. A mural with a soldier dressed with a Gas Mask as to signify a global pandemic. A picture of a dead Native American, A girl with a Bible wearing the seal of Solomon and African American woman all in caskets. A picture of a German boy hammering weapons into plowshares.

Yep. The public art seems to be fairly well documented on their website. None of the paintings have anything to do with Freemasons. They weren't painted by Freemasons, they're not depicting Masonic stories, they're commissioned works of public art.

And a masonic capstone speaking of a time capsule for the people of the earth 100 years from now written in Brail with the Masonic Logo clearly visible on the capstone. The capstone was laid in 1994 and is eerily similar to the Georgia Guide Stones that seem to be the new 10 Commandments for the new age of Aquarius.

The text on the capstone is well documented. The braille is just that -- braille of the text that's on the capstone. It's not unusual for Masons to be asked to have a ceremony at the laying of a cornerstone for a new building. I'm guessing that when the Grand Lodge of Colorado was asked to participate for the timecapsule, they did a similar ceremony.

Would you care to explain what conspiracy Freemasons are having in mind for the year 2012 or is this merely some strange coincidence?

I didn't see you mention 2012 in the above paragraph, so I'm not sure why you think Masons have any opinion of that year one way or the other (they don't, to answer your question...)

Originally posted by 12.21.12
And as a follow up to my previous question.

What is the New World Airport Commision??

Sadly, Google is of no use. Damned paranoid conspiracy theorists have made so many wild claims, the signal to noise ratio is impenetrable.

Well apparently DIA is a Grand Masonic Lodge and is also the apparent headquarters to the New World Airport Commision. Whatever that is.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Well apparently DIA is a Grand Masonic Lodge and is also the apparent headquarters to the New World Airport Commision. Whatever that is.

And how, pray-tell, did you arrive at THAT conclusion?

Originally posted by Redge777
reply to post by Lexion

 

Just for fun

Hear is my best brail translation I could do for this picture earlier in thread.

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^ indicate next letter is a capital
_is something I could not find,
and when one mark stands for multiple leters the letters are in ()

^D(en)V(er) ^(in)T(er)N^NAL ^AIRPORT
^D(ED)IC^N ^CAP(st)_O
^(c")^(The) ^M,^W, ^GR(and) ^LODGE ^(of) ^COLORADO
_^^AF (and) ^^AM F ^(the) ^M. ^R. ^PR(in)CE
^HALL ^GR(and) ^LODGE _^F (and) ^^AM
^M(ar)(ch) #19, #1994^(the) ^_T ^CAPSULE
^;N ^(th) ^(st)_O^:TA(in)S ^MESSAGES (and)
^MEMORABILIA^!^(the) ^P (of) ^(the) ^YE(ar) 2001

Denver InternNal Airport
DedicN Capst_o
"The M.W. Grand Lodge of Colorado
AF and AM F The M. R. Prince
Hall Grand Lodge _F and AM
March 19, 1994 The _t Capsule
;n Th St_o :tains Messages and
Memorabilia! The P of The Year #2001

Interestingly the first character of line 3 is a closing quote, yet it should be an opening quote. Also there is no close, so I am missing something there also.
Also the very first mark on line 3 is offset incorrectly it is too high. It seems to be between row 2 and 3.

there is more evidence than this.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
And as a follow up to my previous question.

What is the New World Airport Commision??

Here you go.

fromdarknesstolight-somoteitbe.blogspot.com...
Truth of the matter was the phrase “New World Airport Commission” was in regards to the committee that was in charge of DIA’s opening festivities, and the name was thought of by Charles Ansbacher a music conductor and trust fund baby, who got the idea from Dvorak’s New World Symphony (Symphony No. 9 in E Minor “From the New World”), which of course was written between 1892 – 1895 after a visit to America. Also, I can’t find anywhere that Ansbacher is a Freemason, but maybe he is a covert brother.