What are the Masonic Secrets?

Originally posted by Achilles 13
reply to post by Masonic Light

 

I honesly understand your reaction...

Somehow I seriously doubt that. You've yet to demonstrate a scintilla of understanding of actual Masonry as opposed to your Masonry-of-the-imagination

Originally posted by Achilles 13
When a freemason start to realise that,

Freemasonry is NOT what they had been told, insecurity start to invade
followers,

So where's your legion of insecure ex-Masons waiting for their penal clause to be executed? Because by your logic, their number should be immense and the body count high and impossible to ignore.

Originally posted by Achilles 13
because they are without compass

Wrong kind of compass.

Originally posted by Achilles 13
and all freemasonry's
values that have been imposed to replace personal values, feel untrustable and ....

You see, again you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of Masonic values. Masonic values coincide with the exact line of one's religious duties, be they Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Muslim, etc. They enhance and perfect them. But somehow this is a bad thing in your lexicon

Originally posted by Achilles 13
insecurity take place and negative emotional reaction is perfecly normal.

So where's the legion of ex-Masons that should logically exist if your assertion is worth the pixels of screen space it takes?

Originally posted by Achilles 13
More you will get back on your own personal values, you had before
becoming a Freemasonry follower, more you will feel confident and
secure again.

Uh huh!

Originally posted by Achilles 13
Don't hesited to ask help if you need it,

Don't wait up. I sincerely doubt your offer is likely to be picked up on.

Originally posted by Achilles 13
there is nothing to be ashamed of
admited that you had been misleaded by a CULT...

Uh huh! Oy!

Originally posted by Achilles 13
Freemasonry Manipulation and brainwash strategies are so strong,
anybody could get endoctrinated BUT it is never to late my friends...!

*** Achilles 13 ***

Don't call us........

Originally posted by Achilles 13
reply to post by Masonic Light

 

Freemasonry Manipulation and brainwash strategies are so strong,
anybody could get endoctrinated BUT it is never to late my friends...!

*** Achilles 13 ***

It would be so easy... to turn the switch on, instead of '' searching the light...''
BUT after all...for some followers of the Cult of freemasonry, maybe it is.....


TO LATE my friends....!



*** Achilles 13 ***

reply to post by Achilles 13


Did you just... reply to yourself? Seriously?
Ooh yes, Masonry is evil. got it. Stop prosetilyzing.

this is definitely, the most interesting thread, i've seen this years,
exposing conspiracies

Originally posted by yeahright
So what if someone wanted to start a club for men to fraternize and work on self-improvement and maybe do a little charity work?

Men only, so the wives and girlfriends wouldn't feel threatened about the guys getting together. And the only real requirement was to be of good standing in the community and believe in a higher power.

No exclusion for Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Druids, Baha'is, or any other denomination. However atheists need not apply.

Cool secret handshakes and stuff. Maybe have spaghetti suppers and the occasional steak night.

Ooooh scary.

The downside is, everytime a member of your organization steps out of line or is caught with his pants down it'll be, "Hey it's those secret soandso's at it again". Instead of, "Gee that's one creepy individual. I know he belongs to that club, but he also works for the water company and I doubt either entity is at fault".

I have no doubt that there are very bad Masons. Unquestionably, there are some very bad Catholic priests. Some police officers do the most heinous things. But I've never been shown where their individual badness was an inherent goal or actual mission of their respective organizations.

But don't mind me, I've never joined anything. In fact, I'm still surprised I'm even a member here.

In college we were called GDI's. A buddy of mine even had the Gamma Delta Iota shirt. But I'd never go for that - it would be too much like joining something.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

(I'm jumping in here... haven't read all the posts, as 22 pages is alot to go through)

There's nothing special about the Masons. My step father is one. He shared all his secrets with me, even the handshake. I helped him study, so I've read their books. People, there's nothing there.
They're a religious group of people that want to make life better for them selves and their families.
No conspiracy, no evil, just a fraternity.
I'm not claiming to know all, because believe me, I don't, but I do know enough to tell you there's no conspiracy, there's no cover up.
I would even put it down to saying the haters are jealous, because the Masons have learned the secret to a successful life, and not many others can say that.
My 2c
(PS. I'm new and on my way to read the rules, which I should have done before.)

The real secrets of Freemasonry are not the grips, passwords, hand signs and various other means of recognition. Those are the lesser secrets, created only so that one Brother may know another Brother.

Any Mason on this board could tell you the real secret of Freemasonry -- in fact, as I have reviewed this board, several have tried to communicate it in their own ways. But... unless you have the experience required and an open heart, receptive spirit and inquiring mind, the real secret, even when put into plain words, will simply slide past you and leave no trace of meaning behind.

The real secret of Freemasonry, I have come to believe, isn't found exclusively in the Lodge, although that's a good place to come to find it. It isn't in the possession of any one by virtue of any office held or degree received. An Entered Apprentice might know it. A Past Master might not. Sometimes, one knows it for a time and then forgets it only to be sitting on the sidelines one night and suddenly, forcefully, be caused to remember it.

So, I *could*, perhaps, tell you the real secret of Freemasonry. But it would mean nothing to you, would gain you nothing, would entitle you to nothing, and worst of all, you would value it as nothing.

The stone which the builders rejected....

reply to post by L1NKS

Originally posted by L1NKS


(I'm jumping in here... haven't read all the posts, as 22 pages is alot to go through)

I really sugest YOU ALL... to start reading it ALL.... from page 1

Originally posted by L1NKS

My step father is one. He shared all his secrets with me, even the handshake.

Sorry BUT that is impossible, all freemason that the oath to never
reveal any freemasonry's secret, '' even if we can find some on the web ''
you lied on this line to dishonesly, manipulate... ATS, Gentlemen, conspiracy theorists...,

you just been unmasked BROTHER....

Originally posted by L1NKS

They're a religious group of people that want to make life better for them
selves and their families.

Another proof...Freemasonry is a religious CULT, and Followers
are brainwashed and

mislead, like sheeps...the conspiracies are hidden from unchosen freemasons...


*** Achilles 13 ***


STOP Lieing, your are misleading honest and respectful citizens.

If you want to ruined you life playing '' the Freemasonry's monk''
DO IT IN YOUR TEMPLES, BUT...

- Stop corrupting private, , public and politic organisations
- Stop promoting the CULT of Freemasonry
- Stop hidding your are a religious CULT
- Stop trying to manipulate populations
- Stop misleading populations
- Stop recruiting on ATS....

*** Your liberty stops, where others start...! ***

Welcome, L1NKS. Don't mind Achilles, he's a real heel and resident troll of the secret societies forum. Feel free to add him to your ignore list, because I can promise you no post he'll ever make here will contain ANYTHING of value. (The only reason I don't Ignore him myself is that I'm often amused by the little drawings he loves to steal and post so much...)

reply to post by Achilles 13



Achilles, my dear friend and nemesis...

I read the article about Israel and rebuilding Solomon's Temple, just to give it the benefit of the doubt.

It's very interesting. I had never read about the Masonic sculpture thingie at the border with Egypt, but even I won't deny that it is clearly Masonic.

The thing in the article that I have a problem with is that it hinges on a "Masonic Christ" (supposedly the antichrist).

Even though I can't say what is IN Masonry, I can without reservation say that there isn't any mention of Christ, antichrist or Satan in any of the degrees or rituals.

So, to put it in the context of this thread, the 'masonic secrets' do not include anything about Christ or antichrist.

As an interesting side note, I had the opportunity recently to help interview a prospective candidate and then help give him a tour of the lodge. Our Senior Warden opened the lid of the altar (which I hadn't really ever paid attention to) in order to show the candidate the variety of holy books that are available to use during the degrees, depending on the candidate's beliefs.

I saw the Holy Bible (of course), The Qu'ran, The Torah, and even the Book of Mormon (which is incredibly ironic if you ask me), but it demonstrated that a candidate is not required to swear an oath on a volume of Sacred Law that he doesn't believe in.

For my own personal bias, though, I think I might feel uncomfortable if the Qu'ran or Book of Mormon were used during lodge business, but I certainly support their use according to beliefs of the candidate.

Is Freemasonry a religion? The party line is 'no', but whenever you get a bunch of folks together that believe in God and want to help out their fellow man, you can't help but feel it's at least a little bit 'religious'. This is my own personal feeling though...

If any of you have read the Left Behind books, though, you might be a little leery of this whole 'religious freedom' thing. As I remember, there was a pope in those books who was really a bad dude. He united all the world's religions and everybody could pretty much do what they wanted without recourse. Everybody was happy, but in the end it was just a ploy to remove religion from everyone's mind so they would follow the really bad dude.

So, the promotion of religious dogma is NOT a 'masonic secret'.

Also, the double-top-secret-axis-of-evil-with-the-pope conspiracy is NOT a 'masonic secret' either.


PS - I love you, man...

reply to post by cutbothways


I dont think you understand what the "secrets" are actually referring to. The masonic secrets are structured so that you learn character values and life lessons. The secret signs and words were only there in the beginning because in a lot of places, secret societies were against the law. Not because they wanted to take over the world or anything. They were against the law because the leaders of governemnt were scared of the people meeting to rise up, among other things Im sure.
There is nothing scary or threatening about the masons. They are hard working, humble and noble individuals who joined the fraternity to gain a better understanding about what it is to be a good person.

with joshnorton and RuneSpider and all the other '' Hiram Abiff ''
We have perfect examples, of Freemason's manipulation strategies.

Every ATS's Gentlemen conspiracy theorists, knows that i never said
freemasonry was evil.....nor that i am a anti-freemason......

brainwashed, disinformant agent '' freemasonry's MONKS and KNIGHTS ''
are using ** bashing ** strategies to derailed investigations and
to avoid, the light of truth over freemasonry's head,
that expose freemasonry's conspiracies...

WHY......
because the Oath to deny ignorance, investigate and expose conspiracies
is LESS... important for freemasons then their Oath, they took in their
'' Temple '' to promote, defend and protect freemasonry...


Freemasonry, dishonestly do all it can to avoid conspiracy theorists investigations....
and that include infiltrat, conspiracy message boards like ATS with
brainwashed disinformant agents, who are NOT real conspiracy theorists at all...

P.S. emsed1, i love you to brother...

*** Achilles 13 ***
Gentlemen Conspiracy Theorist

Oh, goody goody. I think I've worked it out.

Originally posted by Achilles 13
Every ATS's Gentlemen conspiracy theorists, knows that i never said
freemasonry was evil.....nor that i am a anti-freemason......

brainwashed, disinformant agent '' freemasonry's MONKS and KNIGHTS ''
are using ** bashing ** strategies to derailed investigations and
to avoid, the light of truth over freemasonry's head,
that expose freemasonry's conspiracies...

Riiiiiight. Freemasons aren't evil. They're the GOOD conspiracy. Yeah, like you believe that. Freemasonry's not evil, it just employs brainwashing and deception...The GOOD kind of brainwashing and deception.
That's rich.

reply to post by JoshNorton


* Sigh *

'' Some will never wakeup...''

I am a Atheist, the expression * evil * is intelectualy NOT the
right way to definite freemasonry.

BUT instead, everybody understood that the CULT of Freemasonry can be
called machiavelic, that is more a realistic and reprensentative
expression, for the ambitious plan of Freemasonry to help lead the world
to a New World Order.

With the help of their brainwashed followers and corrupted powerful members.

Come on Brothers...Wakeup..!

*** Achiles 13 ***

See what I mean about his cute graphics? LOOVVE the big ol' gas station bathroom keychain with "Top Secret" on it. Fabulous.

Originally posted by Achilles 13
I am a Atheist, the expression * evil * is intelectualy NOT the
right way to definite freemasonry.

And I would agree. My dictionary defines evil as "profoundly immoral and malevolent". Freemasonry is neither.

BUT instead, everybody understood that the CULT of Freemasonry can be
called machiavelic, that is more a realistic and reprensentative
expression,

Well, never seen "machiavelic" as a word, but my dictionary defines "Machiavellian" as "cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous, esp. in politics or in advancing one's career". I would disagree with this as a description of Freemasonry as well, though you seem to be able to discern a distinction between "immoral" and "unscrupulous" that may be evading me.

...for the ambitious plan of Freemasonry to help lead the world
to a New World Order.

aaannnnnd you've gone off the deep end again. Freemasons don't have anything to do with the NWO. You want someone to blame for that, take it to the Bilderbergers or the Bohemian Grovers or the Trilaterals or one of the groups that actually DOES have members in positions to rule the world. Masons lost that power and influence a long time ago.

OK, here it is. The actual Masonic secrets you've waited 22 pages for.

#1: Don't smoke in bed

#2: Don't eat yellow snow (or drink yellow water if you don't get snow where you are)

#3: Do unto others as you'd have others do unto you.

There it is! I hope you aren't too disappointed.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
OK, here it is. The actual Masonic secrets you've waited 22 pages for.

#1: Don't smoke in bed

#2: Don't eat yellow snow (or drink yellow water if you don't get snow where you are)

#3: Do unto others as you'd have others do unto you.

There it is! I hope you aren't too disappointed.

You realize, of course, that revealing these secrets places you in grave mortal danger.

I will need to consult with Beelzebub and Lucifer on the exact penalty, though.

Right now I am on hold with the Satanic Hotline. My present wait time is 665 years, so I will let you know.

Those last posts from freemasons, prove once again..!
that NONE, of the ATS's, freemason members, are conspiracy theorists

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THE USE OF,PSYCHOLOGICAL, PERSUASION TECHNIQUES like...

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'' Amplification, irony and sarcasm...etc '' are dishonesly used by Freemasons...

to manipulate Conspiracies Theorists, to avoid mass investigation on
freemasonry. and derailed threads who are exposing freemasonry
conspiracies.

Those Psychological Persuasion Techniques, used by Freemasons
'' MONKS, KNIGHT and Hiram Abiff brainwashed followers... ''
are exactly the same, that any CULT FOLLOWERS.

Remember those 3 Scientologists on youtube i often post as a example,
their attitude and behaviours are exactly like ALL FREEMASONS WHO POST HERE.

Soldiers, who would dishonestly, do anything to manipulate profanes minds...

Remember....
All Freemasons took the Oath to Promote, Defend and protect
Freemasonry and so at all cost...NONE of them care about the ATS's Oath
of denying ignorance, investigate and expose ALL conspiracies.

Cult members often say , "No one orders me around. I choose to do what I do."
Getting members to think that way is one of the manipulations mastered by
cult organisation, who have become skilful at getting acts carried out through indirection
and implication.

Freemasons publicly say that a profane have to ask, to become a mason
BUT Freemasons will do everything to hypocritly influence profanes to become a follower
of the Cult of Freemasonry...!

Look for yourself, thousand and thousand of freemason’s posts
here on ATS and none of those were for investigate Freemasonry's conspiracies

All Gentlemen Conspiracy Theorists, are to smart, to let them, influenced
their judgment by dishonest, Psychological Persuasion Techniques of manipulation.

BE SMART..!
become a Gentlemen Conspiracy theorists, and Deny Ignorance..!
That is what we ALL suppose to be here for, Get involved..!

*** Achilles 13 ***

The President John F. Kennedy, Secret Society Speech..!

I am going to get into so much trouble for this, but I am so weary and my soul is aching to let the truth out.

Apologies to my brethren, but I can't hold back any longer.

Here is the masonic secret:

Originally posted by Achilles 13
Those last posts from freemasons, prove once again..!
that NONE, of the ATS's, freemason members, are conspiracy theorists

You see? What I just did was to deny ignorance! Why? Because every last manjack of the assertions you made were not only wrong, they were ignorant. Quite honestly, I wish Masonry was as dangerous and sexy as you and your ilk make it out to be. I'm sure if it were, we'd rate a series on HBO or Showcase or somesuch.

[edit on 28-8-2008 by Fitzgibbon]

Being a wife of a mason, i wish it was as sexy, aluring and dangerous as they make it out to be............but you know all those old men....you got to watch them, their secret is Mojo!!