What are the Masonic Secrets?

Originally posted by Cadbury


I thought you were a Christian, Masonic Light?

I am a Christian Gnostic, or Christian mystic. "Cult" simply denotes a body or congregation that share certain religious beliefs.

Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
that is why i am a atheist, a intelectual
freemind

Are you sure you're free?

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. (Psalms 53:1)

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:36)

Originally posted by Masonic Light

I thought you were a Christian, Masonic Light?

I am a Christian Gnostic, or Christian mystic.

Ah, yes, I see. A Gnostic! I enjoy some Gnosticism and find some of it reasonably compatible with the somewhat absurdist Buddhist philosophies I have adopted. Are you one of those Gnostics that call material existance a "Tosser?"

"Cult" simply denotes a body or congregation that share certain religious beliefs.

Which would make most religions "cults," right?

[edit on 20-6-2008 by Cadbury]

Originally posted by Cadbury
A Gnostic! I enjoy some Gnosticism and find some of it reasonably compatible with the somewhat absurdist Buddhist philosophies I have adopted.

There is a Gnostic priest of the Johannite Apostolic Church that has a pretty good blog I read regularly. Once, he defined "Gnostic" as: "Catholic on the outside, Buddhist on the inside, quotes a lot of dead Greek guys".

Are you one of those Gnostics that call material existance a "Tosser?"

No, as a Hermetic Qabalist, I recognize the divinity inherent in matter, especially in conscious organisms.

Which would make most religions "cults," right?

Yes.

reply to post by ALightinDarkness







Why dont you want to accept, all the prove that conspiracy theorist, are
exposing. Thousands and thousands of time we did, and not for '' Trolling ''
like you said but to Help you open your eyes.

And please calling us, conspiracy theorist '' TROLLS '' only show your lack
of desire to deny ignorance.

Rockpuck and you should listen to us and learn from all the research
we are exposing you instead of calling us childish name.

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And yes All conspiracy theorist i know man, are Gentelmen.....
, educated and respected in their comunities, all very GOOD MEN


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Please, take the time to carefully watch those documentaries, it will show
you that one freemason secret is that freemasonry in indeed a RELIGION, a CULT,

Masonry - Behind Closed Doors

"Freemasonry is indeed a Religion"

ATS is a very essentiel tool to Deny Ignorance, please use it....
Thanks you

Originally posted by Road Warrior 31


Why dont you want to accept, all the prove that conspiracy theorist, are
exposing. Thousands and thousands of time we did, and not for '' Trolling ''

Maybe I missed something here. Can you give me one example of these "thousands and thousands of time"?

Please, take the time to carefully watch those documentaries, it will show
you that one freemason secret is that freemasonry in indeed a RELIGION,

Already seen them, wasn't very impressed. And even *if* Freemasonry was a religion...so what? I mean, what do you care?

Originally posted by Masonic Light
There is a Gnostic priest of the Johannite Apostolic Church that has a pretty good blog I read regularly. Once, he defined "Gnostic" as: "Catholic on the outside, Buddhist on the inside, quotes a lot of dead Greek guys".

I'd consider that a relatively accurate summation, actually. Although, I guess some Gnostics may snap and go berserk if they were likened to Catholics, or described as "Catholic on the outside." Heh.

No, as a Hermetic Qabalist, I recognize the divinity inherent in matter, especially in conscious organisms.

Understood. As a man almost completely lost I recognise something inherent in matter, but I don't know what it is.

Yes.

I think I sort of agree. The reason I made my initial inquiry is because I thought you were using the word "cult" as some kind of derogatory term against your own religion, which I found strange at the time. But now I think I get what you're saying.

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I must agree with what Masonic Light has asked (even though I asked it a page back, perhaps you will answer now?)

Why do you care if Freemasonry is a Cult/Religion?

You, being an atheist, should hardly care an ounce what other people are doing along the lines of "religion"....

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“Keep in mind this all comes from ancient times the Egyptians

"What comes from the Egyptians?"

Hi Masonic Light,

Nothing perhaps comes from the Egyptians but if you see I did write "Ancient times" and ceremonies that take place were similarly performed in Egyptian temples but you should already know that.

“I have a few of these but could never share these on this site.”

Why not?

Because I hold them personal and secret and swore an oath even though I have chosen not to participate in something at this time there are certain things that I would never disclose and if I did never would it be here.

Perhaps you haven’t come across such a situation as I have just yet, maybe someday.

Kindest Regards!

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Originally posted by Masonic Light
even *if* Freemasonry was a religion...so what? I mean, what do you care?

man, It is very important because when a organisation are falsly represented
them self to mislead the population, that is call a conspiracy, and only
shows freemasonry will to manipulate, and use their adepts in their '' Temples ''
like any Cult do, scientology, jehova witness, raellens ect.

a lot of Freemason would have choose to get in, if Freemasonry would
have been honest with them by telling them they ARE A RELIGIOUS CULT

Honesty should be respected from everybody in the world without exeptions

i think, Freemasonry is the most dangerous Cult because. it dishonestly, mislead
profanes ( like they call us ) by hiding they are a cult, disguised under a
fraternal organisation front. Cults always used brainwash tecniques to make
followers beleive the see something else then what they have in front of them

The freemason, Abert Pike wrote in the freemason book ( moral and dogma )

"Every Masonic lodge is a TEMPLE of RELIGION; and its teachings are
instruction in RELIGION...MASONRY, LIKE ALL RELIGIONS, all the
Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except
the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and
misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it
calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be
kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their
imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned
to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence.
God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."

and Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of
Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the TEMPLE. Part
of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally
misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand
them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their
true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry... It is
well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is
contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will
labor in vain."

Thank You

Originally posted by ET_CONTACT


Nothing perhaps comes from the Egyptians but if you see I did write "Ancient times" and ceremonies that take place were similarly performed in Egyptian temples but you should already know that.

If you're talking about the Mysteries, yes they were performed in Egypt and in Europe, and in other places.

Because I hold them personal and secret and swore an oath even though I have chosen not to participate in something at this time there are certain things that I would never disclose and if I did never would it be here.

If you're talking about Masonry, we've all taken the obligations concerning the secrets, but the teachings and symbolism of Freemasonry are not secret and can be freely discussed.

Originally posted by Road Warrior 31


man, It is very important because when a organisation are falsly represented
them self to mislead the population, that is call a conspiracy

No, a "conspiracy" is defined as two or more people who enter into an agreement to break the law. However, Freemasonry does not "falsely misrepresent" itself to the public. We are what we are.

a lot of Freemason would have choose to get in, if Freemasonry would
have been honest with them by telling them they ARE A RELIGIOUS CULT

If we told them we were a religion or a religious cult, we would be lying.
Masons do not consider Freemasonry their "religion".

The freemason, Abert Pike wrote in the freemason book ( moral and dogma )

"Every Masonic lodge is a TEMPLE of RELIGION; and its teachings are
instruction in RELIGION...MASONRY, LIKE ALL RELIGIONS, all the
Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except
the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and
misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it
calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be
kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their
imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned
to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence.
God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."

This is true. Pike also wrote:

Masonry is not a religion. He who makes of it a religious belief, falsifies and denaturalizes it. - Morals and Dogma, p. 161

and Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of
Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:

And this has been addressed on this forum a zillion times already. If you'd actually read his book, you will find that quote is talking about Pike's belief that Masonry comes from the Templars, and that this was a secret held in the higher degrees. We now know that Pike was wrong about that.

Those who Mislead population, must exposed to avoid tyrany.

freemasonry is a secret organisation and secrecy always been the nest
of corruption and conspiracy blueprints for tyranny against humanity

And like Cbass said..,

''
If you are living your life in a good and true way,
If you are running a cororation in an honest manner,
If you are running the country in a honest manner,
If you are running a friggin Masonic Lodge in honesty,
love, truth, and with good intentions,

Then why the need for "secrets".
I have no need for secrets in my life. Those who would have
knowledge but not share it with the masses has an unfair advantage.

''


Thank you
Your friendly,
RoadWarrior 31

Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
Those who would have
knowledge but not share it with the masses has an unfair advantage.

This statement itself shows why secrecy in divine things is necessary. The "masses" as a term is nothing but group-think. But the secrets of Nature are given to individuals whom Nature finds worthy.

It is false to claim that there is an advantage of some over others. Every human being has the capacity to become an Adept. But just don't expect to be handed the Holy Grail without any effort.

[edit on 20-6-2008 by Masonic Light]

Insane people do not know they are insane. That's what goes along with being insane.
You can not be Insane and all the while pondering the depths of your insanity.
You can not be insane and have a friend walk up to you and explain to you all of the behaviors that make you insane, and
contemplate them and say "hey, you're right!! I AM insane".
If one could do that, he by default, would no longer be insane.

A mentally retarded adult does not sit and contemplate the way in which his mental retardation has affected his life.
By being mentally retarded he has no ability to do this.
Thus, A retarded person does not know he is retarded. If he did he would not be retarded.

A person in a cult does not have the mental capacity to understand that they are in a cult. If they did they would leave the cult once they found out, which some do.
But, the very idea of trying to tell a cult member that they are part of a cult is, to me, like trying to reason with insanity. You will no sooner convince an insane person of his insanity, or a mentally retarded person of his retardation. It is a lost cause!!!!

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reply to post by cbass


so you are saying that freemasonry is a cult?

i don't understand the logic behind that because we don't force anyone to believe anything. We don't make you comet o lodge, we don't tell you to do anything. you can do whatever you want in masonry. it's not forced on anyone for them to have to believe in anything that the other members believe. i still am puzzled why so many people think that a fraternity that practices charity is a cult???

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Did you read anything I just posted???
OF COURSE YOU DON"T SEE IT!!!!! You are in it!!! I mean please read people. I just covered this. It is one post above yours.
A crazy person has no clue as to why everyone calls him crazy.
From his innocent perspective he acts just as normal as everyone else.
It is not meant for YOU to understand anything. You are in IT!!
I am not here to try and explain to an insane person how insane he is.
Nor am I here to prove to a cult member that he/she is in a cult.
It, by default cannot happen.
I say cannot but in truth it very rarely happens. It happens so rarely that I would not waste my time trying though.
I feel like I am trying to convince a Christian that there is no such thing as Jesus.
It just won't happen. You are in a mind prison. You hold the keys but
don't believe you do. I can point to the keys and even rattle them for you but if you don't want to acknowledge them then there is certainly no way you will ever use them. So be happy with freemasonry. It suits you right now. Someday you may tire of being in a mind prison, look down and see the keys in your hand, and free yourself. Untill then be happy being who you are.

Also,
Every institution on this planet uses a pyramid structure.

Every corporation has a very top level which only ONE person can occupy,
This is called a C.E.O.
The United States has the people, the Government which is a much smaller community, and on up to the top of the pyramid you'll find
ONE entity, the President.
In the middle ages at the top of the pyramid you would find the King.
In religion you have the congregation, church elders,preists,
cardinals, and then finally.......THE POPE!
This pyramid structure is literally everywhere. It, by necessity HAS to be everywhere. Untill we find a wat to live in a circular structure we are stuck witht the Pyramid.
That said, Who is the ONE at the top of the pyramid of freemasonry?
There can only be ONE.
Who is it?????
Those who have spilled the beans (former masons of the highest degree)
Suggest that unbeknownst to the majority of masons at the top of the pyramid is Lucifer. I am sure you will say GOD. That's what the G stands for.
God as I know him doen't have a need for secrets.EVER!!!!!
Knowledge is GOD and GOD is knowledge. There can be no secrets
in an honest world.
There can be no darkness in a well lit room.

reply to post by cbass


lol wut?

haha no i was exactly them same way i was before i joined masonry then after i join? my view points my view of god, and the entire universe has been the same way ever since i have joined masonry. not one thing has changed about me? also for that fact i only go to lodge at most 2 times a month. for 2-3 hours at most.

your making me laugh here. just because I'm a member of a fraternity doesn't mean it has to be a cult and that I'm brainwashed and have my mind controlled and put into a prison. (btw can my mind be put in the same cell as rockpuck and ML?)

i guess i will just have to wait for that one day wen i go to lodge and they tell me to castrate myself, eat special yogurt, put the track suit on and the special sneakers, and lay down on a bunk bed before i come to a conclusion that this is ^%&* up.

reply to post by cbass


actually what you talk about having a C.E.O of Freemasonry is right. its called the Worshipful Master. he takes control of the lodge and is the head figure for the lodge for no more then a year. after a year he must return tot he ranks and let someone else have a go at it for a year. it keeps it interesting. that's the same way with Grand Lodge too. i will get the opportunity to be able to become the master of my lodge i the next couple years. as can anyone else who is a part of my lodge.