Tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich no more

Lyrics from a song from the Seventies I think.

Great concept from the left but what happens when we don’t have the rich to feed the poor once we taxed them out of business? Do we feed the poor to the poor? When we only have poor people to feed on will things get better? Do poor people taste like chicken? So many questions, so few answers.

One thing is for sure, there are a whole lot more poor countries in this world than rich countries. In the scheme of things what’s one more poor country added to the growing list of the poor ones.

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Yep, gdeed, good questions; Star!

I just love the sixties & seventies music, still got most of my vinyl!
"I'd Love to Change the World" is by Ten years After, off their 1971 album
'A Space in Time'.

You're right about the widening gap between rich & poor... it's absolutely
shameless, and getting worse! It's a horrible social problem, with tons of
talk about a "war on poverty"; meaning the poor should be helped. They
are, in lots of ways, but not nearly enough.

"Can you loan me twenty bucks?" lol

Define 'poor' in this instance...

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your idea of the poor rich people being overburdened with taxes is funny lets see ...thousands of years where there were few rich and many poor...these were called kingdoms and dictatorships...maybe what the rich should do is produce and manufacture everything they use by hand, by themselves. and isn't it amazing that rich people want to live in a first world, thriving and properous country, but they think someone else should pay for it, you know like....THE POOR AND UNDERPAID!!. maybe all the rich can move to rwanda...no taxes there...and there are plenty of desperate poor people that will do the menial chores. my idea...tax the crap out of billionaires, take away as much of their wealth as possible. use the money for good paying jobs and healthcare, build the infrastrcture needed for a modern society. and if they don't like it ...tough sh-t, welcome to our club, you greedy bastards. thats the price you have to pay, and quit whining about getting your taxes raised. be more useful, say something and do something original, like putting more people to work and paying them a living wage. try to make society a better place to live for all people, not just for the wealthy. just remember what the french people did to marie antionette and her wealthy and whiny friends. and the rich and wealthy tzar of russia...they killed him and his entire family. thousands of people have died here in america, just because they couldn't see a doctor, or get adaquate care in time. yeah...my heart bleeds for the poor, poor, overtaxed wealthy. buck up, grow up, take responsiblility like the rest of us have to....besides isn't that what the wealthy always tell the rest of the people?

Again i ask, what level of poverty are we speaking of here?

Dog-eats-Dog, or simple depression?

If it wasn't for the rich then all these so called poor people would be out of a job and homeless. You make what you make of yourself even if you are born into poverty. Here in the united states there is no poverty. Go to other countries around the world and you'll see the real poverty. These people don't have cars to drive or cell phones to use. Most of the rich are that way because the have good work ethics and spend most their time working sixty to eighty hours a week. I'm not a rich person but I'm definetly not poor. Most of the people I know will only work forty hours a week and weekends are for partying. You'll never get to far that way unless you know how to save and invest your money. I remember my father working two jobs a day and night and working on weekends doing cash jobs of anything he could find. I admit I work forty hours a week but my wife does too! Get off this rich need to help the poor stuff. The poor needs to help them selfs.

The problem is that the rich will flee to some country which will not tax them. With the money and the influence and the connections. Not mention grudge.
This is why the opposite is happening. Countries are fighting among each other who will have lower taxation to bring the money-bags in.

Since most successful socialist country is Norway, i wonder if anyone knows how it is solved out there.

Originally posted by Solarskye
If it wasn't for the rich then all these so called poor people would be out of a job and homeless.

That 'trickle down' theory has already been demolished... cmon now.

Bush gave tax cuts to the rich using this same excuse and not a single drop trickled down to help the poor get jobs. That's just not how it works.

Rich people do not provide jobs. They provide the money to start businesses - and then other poor people run that business for them

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Either way that poor person running their business is working. I'm taliking about the rich that got there working their butts off. Others get rich with good ideas and commonsense. Look at DELL Computers. This guy started his dream in a college dorm. Home Depot was an awesome idea. Wally World ( wal-mart ). People gotta use their brain and come up with ideas to make money and live the dream that others have done. I'll be glad when Bush is out, but it scares me to see who we have to replace him. The United Sates Government does need an overhaul because if the same guy who started Home Depot tried his business now he wouldn't have a chance with all the laws and taxes in place.

Originally posted by jimmyx

just remember what the french people did to marie antionette and her wealthy and whiny friends.

If you read history the guillotine was invented to chop off the heads of bureaucratic “whiny” tax collectors, who were taxing the heck out of the people and businesses.

and the rich and wealthy tzar of russia...they killed him and his entire family.

And all the Russians have lived in poverty since. Kill those who produce wealth, and poverty for all is the result.

The Tsars and the French bureaucrats were the tax collectors and disserved their fate

Nothing has changed and nothing will change, there are two kinds of people in the world, those that create wealth and those that sponge off the wealth that is created via repressive taxation.


[edit on 30-3-2008 by gdeed]

Originally posted by gdeed
Kill those who produce wealth, and poverty for all is the result.

Yep .. punish the productive. Over-tax those who make the money.
Reward those who don't.

Not smart.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Since most successful socialist country is Norway, i wonder if anyone knows how it is solved out there.

The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests, and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices, with oil and gas accounting for one-third of exports. Only Saudi Arabia and Russia export more oil than Norway.

www.cia.gov...

Just to answer a question, or at least provide some insight.

Why stop there?
Hard studying and dedicated College and University students with high GPA's should be forced to give some of their hard earned points to other less fortunate, lazy and less dedicated students?

Not only that, maybe ATS members with Mega points should likewise be forced to give us peons some of theirs points as well?

The idea that without the rich the poor would get nothing is just rediculase.

The poor get nothing because some people take more than they need and they then sell their surplus at an inflated rate to those who can afford it.

If hard work was the true answer to wealth then black American slaves would have been billionaires.

Using the excuse that the rich work harder is just laughable.

There is enough resources for all the worlds population to be 'wealthy', but the self serving system of capitalism keeps some rich and some poor, it will never change. The only reason most are blind to this truth is because that huge carrot hanging in front of their eyes. How many people have worked their asses off all their lives and are now struggling on their pensions?
Or the people who put all their income into their mortgage only to have their house taken away because of miss-management of the system?

The problem of the poor is far more complex than just working harder.
The ones that really own the wealth have never worked a day in their lives, other than shuffling paper to add zeros to their over inflated bank accounts.

Everyone fears being poor, but a system that allows a few to take the most is what causes it. Wealth is an illusion, a system that takes from you and then expects you give more to get back was it rightly yours, the right to be an independent individual with the means to be self sufficient. We are slaves to this system and it benefits only a few not the majority.

Our means of survival should be ours, and not monopolised some greedy bastard who thinks they deserve more than they need.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need...As a civilised society why do we allow greed to rule our lives?

Originally posted by Alxandro
...Not only that, maybe ATS members with Mega points should likewise be forced to give us peons some of theirs points as well?

You seem to equate wealth with work, as I mentioned in my post above that excuse is just BS.

Take ATS points for example. I have very few points, does that mean I don't work as hard as others at making posts?

Hard work does not necessarily equate to wealth, and to measure how hard someone works by how wealthy they are is not a true measure of worth.

You are working under the assumption that the only reason someone goes to college is to make more money. If that has become our only motivation for bettering ourselves, physically and mentally, then we are in a very sad state of affairs indeed.

Trust me, without the old dollar people will have plenty of personal reason to learn and expand and help other people. It all comes down to how we're conditioned.

I know lots of people who are very well educate who didn't do it for anything other than personal growth, not financial. And in a system not based on capitol higher education would be freely available to everyone to expand their minds for the better of the Human Race as a whole, not their own bank accounts.

If you are only motivated by financial gain, then you don't understand what Human life could really be like FOR EVERYONE.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by Alxandro
...Not only that, maybe ATS members with Mega points should likewise be forced to give us peons some of theirs points as well?

You seem to equate wealth with work, as I mentioned in my post above that excuse is just BS.

Take ATS points for example. I have very few points, does that mean I don't work as hard as others at making posts?

Hard work does not necessarily equate to wealth, and to measure how hard someone works by how wealthy they are is not a true measure of worth.

You are working under the assumption that the only reason someone goes to college is to make more money. If that has become our only motivation for bettering ourselves, physically and mentally, then we are in a very sad state of affairs indeed.

Trust me, without the old dollar people will have plenty of personal reason to learn and expand and help other people. It all comes down to how we're conditioned.

I know lots of people who are very well educate who didn't do it for anything other than personal growth, not financial. And in a system not based on capitol higher education would be freely available to everyone to expand their minds for the better of the Human Race as a whole, not their own bank accounts.

If you are only motivated by financial gain, then you don't understand what Human life could really be like FOR EVERYONE.

It's not BS, I work hard for my hard earned ATS points too but I know I am in the minority when it comes to my idealogies. It's not very often that I get stars because I know many people here subscribe to a Lefty buddy system and reward those that think like they do.

Do I gripe about it, no! That's how it is.
It's not just about working harder, it's also about working smarter.

I've known lots of people that worked their butts of in low paying dead end jobs yet never accepted the responsiblities offered to them when they were given a chance to advance.

Maybe they didn't want the hassle that comes with promotion, maybe they were content being where they were or maybe they were content griping about the so called wealthy.

I've come to the conclusion some people are happy griping about the succes of others.

I also know a few hard working people that became wealthy due to hard work and they continue to work hard to reach their full potential.

Why should these workaholics be equated with the greedy when wealth turns out to be reward of hard work?

Originally posted by ANOK
The idea that without the rich the poor would get nothing is just rediculase.

The rich is anyone with a job. And those with jobs pay taxes. Taxes pay for schools, roads, hospitals, clean water, welfare etc.

Poor people, those without jobs for whatever reason get all those things for free, the poor in the western world that is. Therefore the poor would get nothing if it weren’t for the rich, those with money, those who create money by working or making things and selling them, in other words free enterprise.

The poor get nothing because some people take more than they need and they then sell their surplus at an inflated rate to those who can afford it.

Stalin believed that too so he killed off 20 million farmers and others who worked for a living. And that’s why Russia has been impoverish for the last 80 years.

If hard work was the true answer to wealth then black American slaves would have been billionaires.

Are you implying that white people didn’t work very hard during that same time period? My grandparents and great grandparents worked very hard and they certainly were not rich, in fact, they barely made it. Most Americans were in the same boat.

Using the excuse that the rich work harder is just laughable.

In most cases it’s true. But envy makes some people laugh I guess.

There is enough resources for all the worlds population to be 'wealthy', but the self serving system of capitalism keeps some rich and some poor, it will never change.

That’s plain communistic propaganda. And many tyrants use it to keep their people in the poorhouse

The only reason most are blind to this truth is because that huge carrot hanging in front of their eyes.

That carrot is called incentive. Otherwise there would be no reason to get out of bed. That’s why communism fails, unless they do what the Chinese have recently started doing to pull it’s billion plus people out of poverty, they have become capitalistic. Economically anyway.

How many people have worked their asses off all their lives and are now struggling on their pensions?
Or the people who put all their income into their mortgage only to have their house taken away because of miss-management of the system?

A bunch because we Americans voted out capitalistic Republicans in the last election and replaced them with socialistic Democrats. In America, you get what you vote for

The ones that really own the wealth have never worked a day in their lives, other than shuffling paper to add zeros to their over inflated bank accounts.

That’s pure sour grapes not to mention a lot of bull.

Our means of survival should be ours, and not monopolised some greedy bastard who thinks they deserve more than they need.

If you live in America you are free to be poor or rich. Being poor is a lot easier to attain, I know because I may be the laziest man alive, and that is partly why I’m not rich. But it’s none of my business if the fellow down the street makes a fortune on some innovation he came up with, and then moves out of my neighborhood and into a big fat mansion. I say good for him, or her. That’s what America is about.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need...As a civilised society why do we allow greed to rule our lives?

Good old communistic philosophy, people only need try it once to realize how wrong it is and how much it sucks. And once you get communism it don’t scrape off easily, if at all.

I remember that hippy song, I too thought it was groovy.
Unlike the hippies of today, at least these guys admit there is no easy solution while still managing to pawn the solution on someone else.

Also, this song slams homosexuals
Don't forget folks, this song was pre-Al Qaeda.

Screw the poor. If there were no poor than I could not be rich. In order to have "haves" there must be "Have nots" I say we eat the poor or use them as fertilizer or something

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Thank you for this information,certainly explains some success. But still, two other major exporters are nowhere near Norway standard of living. Less then 3% of unemployment -wow. They do at least something right.
I found this site:
www.nationsencyclopedia.com...
Rich (over 109300 annual? income) pay more ,relatively to income. All other things to me,with Zero economical Knowledge seems normal.
But as you implied - this seems to be the main reason for success:

Companies involved in oil or gas pay a special oil tax of 50% in addition to the standard 28%

From the same link.