Has anyone figured out why some ghost sightings has no legs

reply to post by krazyeddy


I don't think it's a matter of manifesting. A ghost cannot manifest itself to just anyone? Only certain people can see them, or are born to able to see them?

perhaps because the earth shifts all the time, maybe where the ghost was in the past was a different level of ground height to what it is now???

I have only had a few paranormal experiences with ghosts and spirits. One of them involved me being visited by one in my garage on a summer night a few years back. Someone whispering to me, as if right by my ear. But I was alone. I could not see who it was, but I felt the room sudden change in mood. The air got really thick, and this intensity and gut feeling that I wasn't alone in the room anymore. That someone was glaring at me from a corner of the room. I was making too much noise, as I was hitting my punching bag in the garage. The chain connected to my heavy bag was rattling. I don't think whoever it was, liked that sound. I ignored whoever it was and I continued to work out and even hit the bag harder to provide to it I wasn't scared of it.

Anyways, it wasn't til i turned around in the direction of the corner of that room. And told it to leave me alone and go away. That I felt sudden relief in the room. Everything returned to normal, the feeling in the room felt normal. I was a bit shocked by the experience. I have only experience this same feeling a few times in my life, all of them with me sensing them but never able to see them. Different then how my brother, actually had a full embodied apparition appear to him one moment only to be gone another. Very similar story with the story of the person who went on the camping trip and saw the teenage boy with no legs who got scared and hid behind a trip 10 feet from said camper, and when the camper watched the boy, and watched him duck behind a tree he/she walked up to it and the person behind the tree disappeared. How the hell do they do that? How do they control how they manifest to us? can they or cant they?

[edit on 5-4-2010 by Nemox42]

When you are dreaming about moving, do you actually control your legs?

No.

If you have a dream where you do, you trip.

You ASSUME locamotion. You don't actually pay it much mind.

If I were to make a guess, that'd be it. Your legs are less part of your internal map of who you are.

reply to post by Aeons


So aeon do you think, ghosts manifest in a almost catatonic state, like if they aren't aware they are dead. But it's like an endless dream for them, thinking about dreams...When people dream, they never known they are dreaming. Could it be the same for ghosts?

Assuming they are real. Probably depends on the person. Just as some people are aware when they are in an altered state, and others are not.

It may also depend on how functional their externalized brain was/is. I guess some might call it a holographic brain. If someone doesn't actually store all of their essential "who" in what is left, or it isn't powered properly - isn't taking in power correctly to keep it functioning well - the "person" may literally not be functioning enough to "realize" anything.

Which would suggest to me that the "pushing people to the light" concept is actually a way of breaking up the holographic brain, or in moving it towards enough power that realization of their state causes it to break up or move on.

anyways, quite a lot of conjecture on my part here.

reply to post by jumpingbeanz


I dont think, that is the reason. I think ghosts live in a plane where time does not exist. Their feet will show sometimes. Ghosts are frequently but not always 2 dimensional projections.
However Angel visitations are 3 dimensional. Once in the garden a female angel appeared to me, but before she fully materialised, my mother arrived at the door and the Angel disappeared. But yes I could not see her feet, I caught only a glimpse of the bottom of her beautiful shimmering White dress, kind of like a wedding dress.

Cheers

Legs?! Where were going we won't need legs!

The real question is why do some ghost sightings appear with the apparition with no legs? vs ghost sightings with the apparition almost transparent, or shadow like figure? Its not a problem of manifesting themselves to us, I think its how our eyes sees them. Some ghost sightings have the apparition look like they are life like, as if a normal person, but no legs?

Last Night, I was watching celebrity ghost stories on bio....Karina Smirnoff from dancing from the stars was on telling her story of how her grandma passed away. She was young at the time, maybe early teens, anyways. She was sleeping one night in her parents bed. She awakes to see her grandmother standing by the doorway sort of like watching them sleep. Karina describe the apparition as her lower half faded into nothingness....no legs....the apparition sorta watched them for a moment and then turn around to her old room and stuck half her apparition body into the door. The apparition then turned around watched them sleep again, and then disappeared into thin air. Young Karina then notices his father stirring in the bed too, and ask he witness the apparition of her dead grandmother and said he did.

She also described that the apparition appeared not in what they buried her in, but her favorite dress. Once again, there is another account of ghostly apparitions with no lower half of their body, what is going on? These spirits seem to be able to project themselves in a way, that cant be just our imagination. The no lower half theory is proved once again, by more accounts. Even the theory that they seem to come back sometimes as how they remember themselves seems solid.

If there are other ATS readers and posters wanna share their ghostly apparition experiences, like some already have, why do you think they don't manifest themselves fully? Not all ghost sightings have had accounts of spirit apparitions with no lower half, but some do?

I've read before the reason that they seem higher in the air and floating is that their plane of existence is about 6 feet higher than ours. Of course, I have no way of verifying this, but that would explain why lots of times they are up higher....

As far as the legs, I have no idea. Maybe it takes a lot of energy to show themselves and that's as far as they could get, lol. Faces are more important than feet if you want to be identified.

reply to post by goobgirl


yea someone has brought forth that theory too on this thread...frankly...it doesn't make sense that they are just slightly above us...if that were true...then all ghost apparitions would appear above or would be seen floating or sky walking above us.

The energy manifestation might be our biggest bet...but why is it that some apparitions can appear full embodied where as some don't? is it a perception of the human eyes? like TV antennas? or maybe these spirits can't seem to manifest enough energy around too to form themselves aka cold spots.

doing some more research to lively up this thread, the japanese talk about a type of ghost called a yurei. These yurei are basically ghosts of vengeance, they died in a violent or lived unfilled lives. One of the description for a yurei is this

Hands and feet - A yūrei's hands dangle lifelessly from the wrists, which are held outstretched with the elbows near the body. They typically lack legs and feet, floating in the air. These features originated in Edo period ukiyo-e prints, but were quickly copied over to kabuki. In kabuki, this lack of legs and feet is often represented by the use of a very long kimono, or even hoisting the actor into the air by a series of ropes and pulleys.

en.wikipedia.org...

Even though these ghostly apparitions are portrait in old japanese legends and culture maybe it holds more evident of this.

In the spirit of keeping this thread on because I feel I'm onto something, I have search through the web to find some more ghostly accounts and stories of people running into apparitions with no legs.

www.castleofspirits.com...
//wife wakes up to find a surprise staring at her


Yokohama – Ikego – The middle gate - A World War 2 concentration camp. Where thousands of Chinese and Korean people were put to work and killed by the Japanese army. It is now a U.S. military housing Base. There are five incinerators that still stand today. It has three gates that keep it separate from the Japanese community. The Main Gate, The middle Gate and a back gate. At the middle gate, gate guards have experienced hearing voices, footsteps and a feeling of being watched. Some have reported a World War 2 Japanese soldier in a brown uniform with no legs between the middle gate and back gate.

//ghostandsouls.wordpress.com...


www.ghosttheory.com...
//former employee has a encounter with a legless woman apparition

www.trueghosttales.com...
//Jane Churm Fire Girl Ghost...the girl appears in the picture with no legs

www.castleofspirits.com...
//woman with no on the road





[edit on 12-8-2010 by Nemox42]

I asked a friend who has given me good advise concerning ghost/spiritual information and he told me that the reason that ghosts rarely manifest feet is due to how the body generates energy (aura) and the location of chakra points. The feet do not have the same energy thus are omitted when you perceive them in ghosts.

Chakra (also chakro) are points in the human body, i.e. major plexuses of arteries, veins and nerves, that are centres of life force (prana), or vital energy in Hindu metaphysical tradition and other belief systems.

Also he said that we are not observing the spiritual entities with our traditional five bodily sense, instead our soul/spirit is observing the entity and our brains fit the pattern to something that we know and understand.

reply to post by delar


Very interesting. Thanks for posting and for your interest by the way. I definitely can believe what your saying, it does make a lot of sense. This chakra could be the actually soul. Most of the major points on lined down the front face and torso of the body. That could explain why sometimes spirits manifest without legs. Some people do describe it as it taper off into nothingness.

reply to post by Nemox42


There has been a lot of very interesting comments made in this thread. For instance after the second world war many people saw dead loved ones. In an interesting reincarnation thread, I read that many of the reincarnations were those who were young and had died a violent death. Then when they are reborn the fatal injury of what killed them would leave a birthmark on the new body. In some eastern religions, if a child dies in childbirth, its accepted that it will be born again if not to that same mother then to someone close in the same family. A story from an Eskimo source is, an old man asks a pregnant woman if he can be reborn in her baby. She agrees as he is a good man, he said if he didn't have somewhere to go the wind would blow him away and he'd get lost. Then he wonders into the snow and dies, assured of the fact that he would be back. In fact most ancient religions and even Christianity believed in reincarnation, but it was downplayed. I think this was because if it wasn't most lives were so #ty that suicide would have been the main cause of death, in the hope that the next time around would be less tedious. The effect of this would be to blow the "status quo " away completely much like the Black death or the First World War did.
Many family members will often say that a certain child is the splitting image of long gone uncle so and so. Then why shouldn't it be uncle so and so returned? seeing is believing.
"In all of history most people are dead". Then if that statement is true, then the environment that we spend the most time in, is the "non body state". In fact we sleep a good percentage of the time we are supposed to be alive anyway. I'm sure that many of us have an almost instinctive understanding of how death and dying will pan out because we all have, and will do it many times.
In reality grief is like shooting yourself in the foot, the soul that animated those few dollars worth of elements that the body is made from, is still conscious and exists. There is an infinite number of possibilities, in an infinite universe. Either way its all very interesting. Sorry to wander off subject.

reply to post by anonentity


the whole reincarnation thing is whole new topic, that all intermingle with the question of what really happens when we all pass away. Why is it some people get turned into spirits, some pass on to the light, some get reincarnated. Who is the one who decides all this? What decides all this? How do I know what category I will be in when I die? Alot of questions and not many answers. But we as seekers of truth and knowledge always strive to learn more from others and from ourselves, in hopes of really understanding the afterlife and the world beyond what we perceive.

Originally posted by Nemox42
reply to post by anonentity

 

the whole reincarnation thing is whole new topic, that all intermingle with the question of what really happens when we all pass away. Why is it some people get turned into spirits, some pass on to the light, some get reincarnated. Who is the one who decides all this? What decides all this? How do I know what category I will be in when I die? Alot of questions and not many answers. But we as seekers of truth and knowledge always strive to learn more from others and from ourselves, in hopes of really understanding the afterlife and the world beyond what we perceive.

abcnews.go.com... I found this interesting piece which lends support that things are going on under the surface, probably all the time. But its a bit to freaky for a lot of people to accept as fact. Reincarnation isn't a new concept by any stretch of the imagination , but it becomes a lot realer when its in our own timeline. The couple that are doing the investigations have found children that have seemed to have experienced the Oklahoma bombing and the Twin towers.

reply to post by anonentity


Nice find. It's weird, how as the child gets older he remembers less about him being in his other life. I think as we grow older, our spiritual side gets weaker from the veil, and when we get sick and die or die from natural causes, we tend to get closer to the veil. Even though I have heard that hypnosis is another method to re-gain some of the memory of past lives.

Some folks believe in spirit guides (passed on spirits who are given the job to watch over certain souls), maybe the spirit of this WW2 Airmen was the spirit guide of this little boy. That could explain some of the memories and stories that the little boy knows. Just my 2 cents on that top. We are going a bit off topic about the subject.