Has anyone figured out why some ghost sightings has no legs

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Dock6

 

It's impossible to prove a negative, but it's possible to prove a positive. It's up to you, or anyone else who's claiming ghosts do exist, to prove it if you want this discussion to be anything else than random baseless speculations being passed around.

I'm interested in the paranormal, and people spouting this nonsense is hurting the field. No-one's going to learn anything if we pile guesswork on top of guesswork and try to get to the bottom of this phenomenon.

You asking me to prove ghosts don't exist is ridiculously illogical, naive, and betrays just how caught up you are in this fantasy. You want me to prove you wrong, when you've already proved yourself wrong by demonstrating just how willing you are to forego logical analysis when claiming to want to learn something.

Pathetic.

Now, now, Dave --- tuck that bottom lip back in, huh.

You came marching in with the old --- so old --- ' prove there are ghosts or this discussion is meaningless ' gambit.

An now, you're trying the --- ' .. we're here to learn ' gambit, in case you're accused of deliberate disruption.


No, Dave. You're not here to learn. You only want to control.

You want total strangers in a forum to polish your ego and sense of self-importance.

And to achieve that, you challenge total strangers to produce for your benefit --- ' proof '.

And as a rule .. this ploy results in total strangers busting their gut for you ... doesn't it ?

Which hands you the 'control' over others which you appear to need.

Because no matter WHAT people say ---- no matter HOW they earnestly explain --- you can never be satisfied ... can you ?

So you provoke them into working their backsides off --- trying to 'prove' (to you ) that which is impossible to 'prove'.



If there were 'proof' of ghosts --- it would be out there, in the msm breaking-news !

The odds against someone in a forum being able to 'prove' to YOUR satisfaction that ghosts exists is billions to one. And you know it.

You can't lose ... can you ?


So your game (and the game of those like you) is to enter threads about the paranormal and demand 'proof' -- knowing before you begin that you can make people leap through hoops, growing ever more frustrated in their earnest and honest attempts to 'prove' what they know or strongly believe to be true. All of which you reject, via a series of .. who knows ... hackneyed and plagiarised 'rebuttals' ?

All YOU need do is sit back and enjoy others labouring for your benefit. And I note you're playing the same number in several threads simultaneously.

In short ... you're enjoying the illusion of 'control' and 'importance' ---- at other's expense !


Except ... I've told you .. I'm not playing. I've seen your game literally hundreds of times before.


So please read this again .. because I've already told you at least once :

I am not here to persuade or convince you.

I do not care one iota what you do or do not 'believe' or 'accept'.

This thread ... as is made clear in the thread title ... assumes people already KNOW that ghosts exist. This thread is WAY beyond your little game of 'prove it'.

This thread is for the discussion of 'missing legs' re: ghosts.

THAT is what we're discussing here.


Your posts more correctly belong in the Ghosts 101 threads, if you can find any.

Originally posted by albright
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, or if it is of any use, but in traditional Japanese woodblock prints and in traditional Japanese theatre, ghosts are depicted as without feet(in theatre, this created need for some curious innovations--I heard something about rolling platforms, like a roller skate, once). So, I guess even historically this has been something people notice about ghosts. Which, well, isn't very helpful, but it is at least an interesting tidbit.

Thank you, Albright !

It's VERY helpful


I had never heard of this before ! Thank you for this valuable confirmation of what some of us have observed and experienced !

Brilliant piece of information

I quite like the theory that some ghosts do not appear with their lower limbs so as not to use up so much energy. I belive that it takes quite alot of energy for a ghost to manefest, so why bother showing those parts of your body which are of no real significance. Ghosts obviously dont need their legs to stand on and they are not nessesarry to portrays ones emotions and feelings that other limbs such as your arms and hands are essential for. Just an idea I have been thinking about.

Like with most subjects relating to the paranormal we can only speculate and discuss our own theories and ideas, maybe never really finding the answer why these things exist and happen!

So your saying that ghosts actually exist, several feet higher in a different plane of existence. Interesting theory, but what about regular sightings of spirits and ghosts fully embodied. My thorn is that its not consistence with the stories, but its enough to cause a ripple in these theories. There has to be an underlining concept of why this occurs, maybe its the way they died? I'm thinking dock might be onto something, if you really think about it, ghosts don't manifest in the clothes they are buried in, so they must mirage themselves as how they perceived themselves when they were alive. There is a connection here,

the way they manifest themselves, is the way they remember themselves when they were living.

but why no legs?

What would help solve this mysterious, is if any other readers out there has stories or ghostly experiences, with full body or disembodied apparitions, post it here on this thread, share your experience. Let us gather the data and be the judge of this.

Interesting points about ghosts having no lower lmbs. My friend and I were once standing in a forest at night and were both lookin at a video clip of an army tank on my friends mobile phone. While watching the video, we both looked up at the same time towards the same area. We witnessed a set of grey legs running eceptionally fast but the legs had no upper torso. It was also running through grass that was over 2 feet tall but the grass remained motionless and silent. It then disappeared into the darkness. Trust me, it was no practical joke since it would have had to be an impressive illusion if we could only see a set of legs. And also the fact that it covered about 80 feet in about 1.5 seconds.

I believe Ghosts do know where they are going and can get there in the drop of a hat.Considering i talked to one directly who said it was going to visit someone i knew. The person visited told me what they saw and what time it was.It was only a few minutes after i seen them, that the ghost traveled about a half hour distance.Of course this seems impossible but not really if you think you are seeing ghosts, you cant deny my claim.

that is pretty damn amazing site to see. I would be totally freaked if i saw a pair of disembodied legs dart right in front of me. And to cover 80 feet in 1.5 that is humanly impossible. You also mention as you saw the apparitions legs as it moved through tall grass, it didn't make any movement on the grass or sound? Did you see any details of the legs, where they naked legs, pant legs, barefoot? This is weird,but not uncommon as I have heard of sightings of disembodied ghosts, like no head, no face etc ? Any ideas who this ghost was?

[edit on 12-6-2008 by Nemox42]

How weird

I remember as a child trying to sleep, but I couldn't so I pulled my hoodie that I was wearing down over my eye. As I did that I would, "spy" on that black thing by my desk. (it's height was from the waist down of an average adult!) It was still, and I thought to myself, "Okay it's just a pile of clothing or something" So I pulled my hoodie farther down and all of a sudden I hear a weird distant noise that sounded like a horn from the distance and I felt the end of my bed shake abrutley. Like something heavy kicked it or fell on it. I immediately sat up and pretending that I didn't see it when It was standing there. I didn't feel sacred at all when the bed shook...I was scared when it was just standing there...but when it actually did something...to be honest I thought was it was neat...

reply to post by Ceyeeh


I don't mean to rain on your parade, but that could have been anything. There are many mundane, every-day explanations for 'encounters' like that one that don't involve ghosts or anything other-worldly.

reply to post by Dock6


Dock6, I have given you a star because you have said everything that needs to be said about "superior Dave". He does nothing but troll around in the paranormal threads to see how many people he can upset.
I'm actually quite surprised that he hasn't been banned from ATS for breaking many of the rules set out by this site. Personal insults are just one of his many favorite things he likes to do. Maybe we all need to "ignore" him so he won't get his "jollies" anymore.

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Ceyeeh

 

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but that could have been anything. There are many mundane, every-day explanations for 'encounters' like that one that don't involve ghosts or anything other-worldly.

I completely understand that it could have been "anything".

There could absolutely be a good explanation such as Hypnogogla, Electromagnetic fields, Neurological Conditions, or even Pareidolia. Read more explanations for it here, www.paranormalcentral.org...

Do you have a story to share of seeing a "shadows" around you. Not peripheral visions either, I mean a strange shadow dead on and moving, disappearing something that can only be explained with theory. ( and don't be a smarty pants either) Please share.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by Ceyeeh]

Believers usually get converted from their own experiences. I know plenty of people who use to be believe the existence of ghost weren't real. Til they had their own ghostly unexplainable encounters (talking about full body apparitions like what dock6 experienced). What better way to make a disbeliever a believer but to see feel and experience the real thing themselves.

[edit on 28-11-2008 by Nemox42]

[edit on 28-11-2008 by Nemox42]

I know this thread is a bit old, but its such an interesting topic. Plus i really think this is going somewhere. I found another story from another ATS poster about a ghostly man with his legs faded into nothing. Here it is:



reply posted on 23-3-2010 @ 07:49 PM by Chi-and-Me


Interesting. I no longer wonder if the ghost fenomenon is real or not after my last encounter. There have been many times that I saw something out of the corner of my eye, and I wasn't sure what I saw. However, 1 year ago, when camping in Florida, I saw a dead person!

It was late evening but still light out. There were two couples and myself. Yea, 5th wheel, story of my life......Anyway, It had just begun to rain. The happy couples moved into thier tents to "wait it out". I was under my tarp, hooking up my hammock. So I had a great 360 degree view of the beautiful evening rain, when.....on the trail only 10 feet from me I saw Him.

He was looking right at me. He looked to be about 18-22 y/o. A white t-shirt and blue jeans that fadded into haze/nothingness at the knees. I realized what I was looking at, however I slowly turned away. It just didn't seem right to stare into his eyes. He must have felt the same, because when I looked back (3 sec. later) he had moved behind a tree and was looking at me again, with only his head peeking out. This time I found the courage to stare at him, and he slowly moved behind the tree. Keeping my eyes on the tree, I walked into the rain and around the tree (only 7 ft. away) and he was gone.

I was more excited than scared, but I waited 'till after the trip to tell my friends. I didn't need conformation, but one of the girls kept seeing "someone" walking down the trail all night.

So I know that there is "Something" after death. Life?.....

Originally posted by Dock6
Both ghosts -- despite having no visible legs below the knee area --- appeared 'normal' height. One was quite tall, over six feet, as I could see as he stood near a tall wall-unit. The other was, I suppose, about 5' 9".

They appeared lifelife .. not 'misty' or grey. If you saw them in the street, you'd take them for living people.

That's because you must have been vibrationally in tune with them.

If your vibration was slightly out of tune with them, they would appear with some transparency.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by Dock6
Both ghosts -- despite having no visible legs below the knee area --- appeared 'normal' height. One was quite tall, over six feet, as I could see as he stood near a tall wall-unit. The other was, I suppose, about 5' 9".

They appeared lifelife .. not 'misty' or grey. If you saw them in the street, you'd take them for living people.

That's because you must have been vibrationally in tune with them.

If your vibration was slightly out of tune with them, they would appear with some transparency.

Thank you, Nuclear Paul

Yes, this is an old thread. I've grown 3 more Docks since 2008, lol

But, to return to your comment --- very interesting and thank you again

I'm one of those who for years dismissed ghosts as 'something other people see' and as such, I had no real interest in them. And I agree with the poster above, who said that personal experience (of ghosts) is what has made converts of most people (or words to that effect)

I can't remember what I wrote about my experience/s back in 2008, but I can remember the experience itself (life-like ghost) in the same way as most people remember 'big' moments in their lives, i.e., birth of their child, their marriage, where they were when it was reported that Kennedy or Lennon had been assassinated, etc.

Mundane scenario, taking a break from what I was doing, musing about what I had to do next, etc. Then, across the room, a complete stranger standing by the wall-unit

As I probably said two years ago in this thread, I didn't react at the sight of the ghost. But ordinarily, I'm a 'reactor' (or is that reacter ? doesnt' matter)

In movies, people usually scream their heads off when something so unexpected and shocking occurs. But I didn't. Just sat there, bereft of thought. Only thing that seemed to be working were my eyes and some sort of internal recorder

As I might have said in my earlier post also, I remained in this zombiefied condition for .... who knows how long ? Because I didn't remember the incident until several hours after waking up the following day. And that scared and alarmed me. Because I was in sole charge of my children, yet I had walked around, doing this and that, had prepared for bed, etc. ---- yet had NO memory of that. So who/what was 'running' me during that time ? I was on automatic pilot, apparently. Not good

So, to sum up: ordinary person is confronted late at night, in their locked home, by a fully life-like ghost which apparently had the power to seize control of the ordinary-person's brain. The person was able to see and record the apparition/ghost, but was rendered incapable of thought, power to analyse, to speak (perhaps) or to react as the person might be presumed to, under ordinary circumstances

This is a new aspect of the ghost situation, isn't it ? It would be valuable to learn if others have experienced the same thing

Further, this is not the only time I've behaved like a zombie in the presence of a ghost. As I might have mentioned in my post of a few years ago in this thread, several years earlier I'd also behaved oddly when in the presence of a ghost. Again, I didn't scream or react in 'shocked' manner. In this instance, I'm referring to the ghost which (as far as I know) was permanently located behind a door. It wasn't as 'colourful' as the later ghost --- because imo, the person himself wasn't as physically healthy or colourful as the later ghost when alive

It's one thing for people to seek out ghost experiences, either in tour-groups or otherwise. Quite another however, to have the ghost-experience foisted upon one and surely the seizing control of the victim's mind BY the ghost is tantamount to assault, to unlawful invasion ?

I had no idea ghosts could do that (take over the witness). I wonder how many do know it ? We have so little data, other than anecdotals. And the common wisdom claims, 'Ghosts cannot/will not harm you '

The vibrational-frequency you've mentioned, Nuclear Paul --- I suspect it was imposed upon me by the ghost. Certainly, it could be claimed that I was meditating (a form of ) as I sat there, ruminating about mundanities, but nevertheless, my mind was fully occupied ... not a 'blank' to be seized by an opportunistic spirit

Another oddity lies in teh fact the ghost sought out my home. Or at least, it 'tracked' its possessions (extremely ordinary possessions) to my home. As I would surely have mentioned back in 2008 in this thread, the ghost had died some 1000 or so kilometres away, as I later learned. It had died only six months or so earlier, from causes still unknown at the time all this occurred.

So we have a recently-exited spirit, which possibly was unaware it was dead, tracking mundane possessions to the home of a person it had never met in real life

After knocking-out most faculties of the observer, the ghost gave no appearance of any interest *in* the observer, but instead stared thoughtfully in the directions of a box in which its possessions were contained

So, ghosts are powerful and are able to basically immobilise their victims -- they can track as well as any carrier-pigeon -- yet they are also pretty dumb ?

Should add that basically lifelong, I've experienced what are termed 'paranormal' events, with at least 95% of them being spontaneous. I used to try to understand how and why this should occur to me in particular. Have read most of the explanations and debunkings, but basically, although they might serve to persuade sceptics, they really don't address the situation convincingly as far as the genuine experiencer is concerned. Maybe it IS caused by a region in the brain. Maybe it is attributable to electro-magnetic influences within the environment. But no-one, to my knowledge (although I haven't kept up with new developments over the past decade or so) has explained why some people are affected and not others, despite they may be in the same location at the same time

There are people out there, kids, elderly, clergy, disbelievers, believers, etc. who right now are seeing something (ghosts, whatever you want to call them) which science claims cannot and do not exist

But they do exist. And a lot of people have seen them ever since man began walking this earth. Smart people, dumb people, police, lawyers, scientists have seen them, as have milk-men, labourers, farmers

Many of those who've seen ghosts are the same people as have been described as 'sane, balanced and reliable' to the extent they are chosen to serve on juries, to be Justices of the Peace, to be bishops and engineers on space projects

I don't blame people for disbelieving of ghosts. If I hadn't experienced them, I could well be a rabid disbeliever myself

Will we ever get to the bottom of this mystery ? People have been trying for thousands of years. Wish we could get to the bottom of it. It was not pleasant, discovering I'd been 'taken over' by the ghost of a stranger. I'd like to believe that one day we would understand the phenomenon sufficiently to protect others from being 'controlled' against their will or being rendered 'on the same vibrational frequency' as the ghost BY the ghost

Or, perhaps the ghost simply triggered some form of 'psychic nerve' already existent in my brain for some reason ? Perhaps people with such a 'psychic nerve' are those who see ghosts and experience other pyschic phenomena, wherease others do not ? I'd prefer that -- rather than believe ghosts are empowered to the extent that they can 'put us under' at will

reply to post by Dock9

It's a scary thought to think a ghost is powerful enough to seize a person like that. I'm a big guy, and i been studying martial arts for many years of my life. I'm a fighter. Ghost or not, I would not want to be controlled that way. Dock, Hello. I'm so glad you come back and talked to us about your experience. The pleasure is always mine when your around.
So did you feel like you were paralyzed or hypnotized, I thought the apparition that attacked you in your home tried to grab you remember? Was it a paralyzing of fear? or shock? Or did it physically feel like something was keeping you still?

reply to post by NuclearPaul


So the reason why we see spirits like translucent is because the person's vision is picking up a slight signal, vs someone who has solid signal and see's a ghost like me and you. Is it like radio frequencies, and band limits. The spirit world is like FM radio. Only people who are tuned in that frequency can see them and depending on signal strength will be how clear they are seen? If that is true? then who is sending the signal? how do you change your mind and eyes to be at that frequency? i heard something about you can meditate and train your mind and eyes to pick up on these things.

reply to post by Nemox42


Perhaps it is because the ghost has to manifest its own image in the 3rd density, and I assume most people would focus more on the portrait--face, upper torse, etc. It is just a speculation

reply to post by FudgeStix


yea i live right next to the treassure house in york iv been in a few times its a pooky place