Bush proposes to expand powers of Federal Reserve & financial regulation overhaul

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
Fox in the hen house!

That has been our situation for a looooong time. Now it seems the fox and the wolves are ready to go for the throat... all this time they have been tip-toeing around whispering reassurances and distracting us with sex scandals and reality tv.... seriously, the Fox has been in the hen house so to speak for 40+ years.

Now that the hens are asleep and the wolves are ready to bite, I can't help but feel anxious. Things are going to get real noisy when everyone wakes up.

You know, we cannot escape the coming economic upheaval. The stock market is sure to lose at least half of its value by September, led by losses in the financial sector due to the credit crisis. If the Fed tries to intervene during another brokerage firm collapse to stop this, it will cause immediate hyper-inflation, as foreign investors and governments lose faith in the US dollar completely, which is already occuring.

Is this what they want? I don't know...But if they do not intervene, many investment banks will go under, which will also lead to a very deep recession.

It seems to me, at this point there is no escape. The plan is already in effect and it cannot be stopped. The only thing we can do now is how to figure out how to survive it.

Right now, I'm trying to save as much money as possible and gain as much as I can using careful investing. I'm going this route now instead of the survivalist route, because I feel we still have a few more months (maybe three or four) before things get really bad.

Get into the stock market, and exit right before Judgment Day. That's my plan.

But that's like trying to not get a girl pregnant by pulling out right before ejaculation. It doesn't always work (odds are it wont.)

We do what we can in life. I think what bothers most is that they are starting to realize that they don't have much control over what happens to them.

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The people who frequent this site are not the norm. Most people are too busy worrying about their mortgage payments, credit card payments and car notes to think about this new plan from Bush...They probably welcome it. Anything to protect the American way of life.

I won't be a hypocrite. It's damn fun living this way, but I am not stupid either. I know what's happening. It's all a big cage that's being set up around us, and there is nowhere on the globe to escape to.

Most Americans blame the financial industry for the current problems, and we always need to seek justice against something or someone. No one will oppose Bush on this new measure.

So far we have had only one poster that has seen that hand writing on the wall in regards to fascism. We have seen the preludes via the financial sector so get ready for the checkmate move.

corporative state, economic system inaugurated by the Fascist regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy. It was adapted in modified form under other European dictatorships, among them Adolf Hitler's National Socialist regime in Germany and the Spanish regime of Francisco Franco. Although the Italian system was based upon unlimited government control of economic life, it still preserved the framework of capitalism. Legislation of 1926 and later years set up 22 guilds, or associations, of employees and employers to administer various sectors of the national economy. These were represented in the national council of corporations. The corporations were generally weighted by the state in favor of the wealthy classes, and they served to combat socialism and syndicalism by absorbing the trade union movement. The Italian corporative state aimed in general at reduced consumption in the interest of militarization. See fascism fascism (făsh`ĭzəm)

The is FASCISM in the making. It will pass, as this is exactly what they want...any questions?

If you read all my posts I too have been saying this is coming for awhile and like jackinthebox says all the corporate apologists have nothing to say why is this?

More power given to the root to I feel all of our problems.....writing to your congress and senate will not do anything for they have been bought out. Its going to take a new revolution a new world order of the new kind one america under one real american government for the people by the people.

FED NEEDS TO GO!!!

I work at a small town newspaper, an independant one, imagine that, anyway, they ran this AP story as the above the fold front page peice of the sunday paper...I was wondering, what percentage of the people in this community understand the implications of this?

I want to at least approach family members that are clueless about what's coming down-they tend to think I am "out there" with the conspiracy stuff, but this is real world and pretty obvious-I was thinking about trying to get them to watch Freedom to Facism as a start, any other suggestions??

It is non-partisan and I have to consider that because there are so many bushbots around here. Red States also have lots of radicals that mistrust the gummint on principle, so I like it for that reason. Lots of gun owners etc. Live free or die types.

Well, just recently heard of JP Morgan/Chase buying up failing banks/shares recently.

www.themoneyblogs.com...

www.newsday.com...

ap.google.com...

The Feds give special financing to JP Morgan/Chase. Now, we hear about the Feds getting more power. Hmmm

Are we just getting the ol' shaft-aroo from President Bush again?

Troy

Originally posted by dominicus
WOW!!!!!

Everything I've ever read conspiracy related to Illuminati controlling the privatized Federal resereve banks...has officially come true with this move right here.

BUSH even though he is the most hated, dumbest. pig faced, demon, and worse president we've ever had in history.....I atribute this move to the Puppetteers that pull his strings, i.e. the Iluminati.

Hang folks folks, we're in for a wild ride over the next 5-10 years especially if you live in the u.s.

This has all been mapped out over centuries Illuminati, Tri-Lateral Commision, Bilderburg grp. etc. there is and has been a plan for Global Domination by a small elite and we are and have been feeling the effect's of their plans for awhile our food, fuel and medicine has not been in the best interests of the people. We are withering away as a result of their insidious efforts Nothing has been by chance I agree with dominicus he's right about the ride that we are in for. It was too late for the common man before our revolution. This small elite wants to reduce the population. Please reply about this rumor that we will have a single currency for Canada,the U.S and Mexico something like the euro. I saw it in a video. I see the writing on the wall. It will take it's course even so I will keep pursuing the truth. They profess to be protecting us from terrosim ha!ha! ha! they are the true murderers.

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Thumbs up to you Pilot, this is what we need to be doing.

Let me share my experience with you.

I have been feeling very strongly lately about getting the word out and I have decided to approach my parents. I had a serious talk with them over Easter dinner and was expecting the worst criticism from them but I felt like like I needed to give it a good try anyway.

My parents both strongly subscribe to "Right Wing / Conservative" political manipulation and propaganda. They are also Mormon, and if you want to get an idea of how narrow minded most Mormons are, just watch "This Divided State" video from the ATS Premium Video Forum.

Despite this fact, to my shocking surprise when I brought up this stuff to my parents......they did not criticize me and they even know some of this stuff and already think that it might be true.

They already knew the following:

* That our country is not run by our government but the Global Elites that control all of our money.

* Bush is just a puppet being controlled by the Global Elite.

* Both political parties may be controlled by the Global Elite.

* The Federal Reserve is not a part of our government but a separate entity controlled by the Elite.

* The possibility of a "North American Union" our currency going away and being replaced by the "Amero" and even the big highway that connects from Texas to Mexico.

& The fact that our boarders are purposely wide open for a reason that is being kept from the public.

I am very proud of my parents for already being aware of all of this and had the opportunity to share with them some others things that they did not know about. I even told my Mom to go and Google "REX-84" and she did. She even found that there is a "Camp" setup and ready to go in a shutdown military base nearby.

Now keep in mind that this was a success for me but may turn out much differently for you. Use your best judgment. If you think that it may negatively impact the relationship that you have with your family then don't do it. I did it because it felt right at the time. If you think that they will criticize you and you are willing to handle that then go for it and give it a try.

If you decide to give it a shot and go for it, please keep me informed and let me know how it goes, because I am very curious to know how it will go fro others.

I would say that the U.S. is not a place to live anymore
move to a scandinavian country
Norway, sweeden or switzerland are doing great

Move out Immediately!

I believe Katrina happened to study what would happen during a food crisis.

Don't stay around to find out what's next.

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Wow you summed this up whats going down in my life perfecly. Ive been getting the word out to all of my family starting last week and it is not easy. They are all die hard republicans who have no clue. Wish me luck people need to understand that everything that is going on today are pieces of a puzzle that is creating a bigger picture and that picture is looking scary.

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Please be wrong, please be wrong, please be wrong...,

Dang, payer's not helping.....


I'm trying to get people to reconsider their blind devotion to the almost religious belief that the government works 'for us.' But people don;t want to learn. They don't care to review history, they don't believe news unless it comes from Murdoch or his peers, and they seem to think that they are 'safe' as long as the government says so.

Meanwhile the tools for corporate fascism are being 'placed' into the equation without comment from the 5th estate. Discussions regarding the potential misuse of otherwise benign things like detention camps, prisons, secret facilities, draconian travel restrictions etc. has become not just silly, but are now viewed with certain suspicion.

What troubles me most is that the 'plan' we seem to collectively sense is being carried out leaves little options for most people.

I see the comments about 'get out now' and start saving and preparing the real 'moment of truth' which might be on its way. I can't get out - I haven't the resources to amass stores of goods, and frankly knowing does not enable me to do anything about it. (And I hope that at last those people out there who say it's our own fault will now go away - voting doesn't change this, there is no party-based solution, the power is out of our hands; the fantasy of revolution or insurrection is absurd - you need money to do that and they have it all.)

Standing around singing Kumbaya won't help either. I think this national experiment, the United States of America, needs to strengthen the 'state' aspect. But that would require governorship and representation that has not been usurped by the banking industry via it's myriad political tools (parties, cfr, un, etc.) Maybe there are some states out there that are still capable of isolating themselves from the beast (banking). Probably just the poor ones.

It's amazing how we always wind up giving more power to the very people who cause our crises. The brutal tyrants of antiquity would have truly envied the finesse of the puppet masters we have today.

Oddly enough I talked with Dad over the phone and mentioned some of the things from my first post. And about this topic of Bush giving power to the Fed. His reaction, "What a $*#&ing idiot. Well, we are going to be $*#&ed now aren't we?" I told him that if we collapse it will make the Great Depression look like a picnic. He said crime and murder would definately be out of control. I said, "Yep, just wait until people start getting shot over the last two bites of a hotdog." He paused as that image sunk in and asked who he should vote for, Hilary? I said at this point it doesn't matter. Things will either fix themselves or they won't. He then asked what if it does happen? I told him to take care of Mom and Steph and Chris and the kids, I have my plans set down here.

I think I might give my sister a call and try to convince her to take up a new hobby...gardening and canning.

What I find amazing is that here, there, and everywhere people are saying this bank is insolvent, that business is bankrupt... when in reality all the "money" they have or owe isn't real money anyway.

All these crises are not a threat to any person, only a threat to the system. We as a people can simply discard all this mess and start over with money that represents value instead of debt.

They make everything sound so frightening, they themselves are worried that they need more ability to lie, cheat, steal, and coerce to keep their defective house of cards holding together. It will never happen... this system was doomed to fail, and no amount of glue is going to stop that from happening.

The debts Americans have accrued are simply arbitrary amounts of profit the banks demand in return for printing the money we use to buy and sell. There are two problems with this:

1. Since money comes into existence by being PRINTED or typed into computers, where do they get off calling it a loan? They never worked for it, they never had it before you borrowed it, and its supply is as unlimited as the willingness to "borrow"... therefore they suffer no risk of loss of ANYTHING they can't replace if you don't "pay" them back.

...Except for... (watch closely!) ...All the things we do in the public sector which they "finance". It's a way of them telling us what to do so they never have to do it themselves. All the infrastructure, buildings, roads, schools, and businesses that make the world go 'round are built by non-bankers, under the persuasion of the bankers, by them cleverly persuading you into believing they will finance your endeavor, when in reality the "finance" they give you is merely permission to do so, and is as scarce as the paper it is printed on.

It's a trick! By controlling money, they can convince people to not go to work (thinking they won't get paid)... even to the extent that the entire economy shuts down and people starve in the streets! What a con! Their money is created from thin air! We can create money too! Getting paid is necessary when people don't trust each other to provide for the common good. People don't trust each other if there is too much greed. Greed is fostered by scarcity. So they create scarcity to create the need for their money! That's the scam! We all lose, but they benefit immensely.

2. The amount of debt owed is more than the total amount of money in existence. How can we be forced into fulfilling any kind of contractual obligation which is by its very nature, IMPOSSIBLE? This bizarre fact comes from the nature of fractional reserve banking and compound interest... eventually there is nothing left but debt in the world, and all the real assets are owned by the bank.

We must understand that WE DON'T NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO PROSPER. Their money is more of a HINDRANCE than an asset. We can create our own!

We must also understand that the banks and government are not the savior to our situation... they are the problem. THEY will never give us what we ask for. We must demand it of ourselves, and DENY them authority to do it anymore.


We MUST:

Make money a thing that the public can create, not private banks. Either way it has to come from somewhere, better that it be a publicly accountable, controllable, and issuable thing rather than a secretive, scarce, easily manipulated, and interest-bearing debt that the banks make right now.

We MUST:

Deprive the current system of its authority to force a corrupt and destructive system upon us.

We MUST:

Realize that the responsibility lies with US to make the changes, because so long as we trust someone else to do it, they will always abuse the privilege.




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*cough cough* still ridiculing Ron Paul now? Say what you want about some of his ideas, but his economic proposals were the ticket to fix this mess, and I do seem to recall him trying to tell everyone this was coming, while the paid for puppets rambled on in inane conversations about who said what when. I think his campaign might have been the last shot at fixing things before it all goes to hell for a while, and we missed it.

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Excellent post ianr5741, a star for you and how you cut to the heart of the illusion, imagine how they can convince people to leap from windows who think they've lost their shirts, when in fact it's just monopoly money! That is mind control of the highest order.

Originally posted by MajKarma
One thing is for sure; these people are Pagans, worship the Mother Earth above man and are out to cull the world populations by creating Terrist/Rouge Countries for use to stomp. Then one of then will nuke the others and if it gets bad, all the elite will move to their underground cities while the above they will perpetuate mass war to kill as many of us as possible. Then comes the New Age..a Brave New World. TYhe educated and affluent who have played ball will be one big world wide family, while the rest will be slaves.

I agree with all you have said except part of the above. You claim these are "pagans," which, in the strictest sense, I suppose is true. But then you equate these "pagans" to those who worship "Mother Earth..." And you suggest this implies a worship "over" man. In fact, many pagans, who worship Mother Earth see Man as part and parcel of the whole Earth, and see each human spirit as a bright flame of the whole.

These are not Earth worshipers. These are evil worshipers. Their views have nothing to do with the respect for all nature (including Man) that characterizes the Earth religions.

As to the rest you have said, I agree fully.

First, The government & banks said "pay your taxes or go to jail."

Second, the government & banks said "you must buy, sell and pay with federal reserve notes."

Third, the government & banks said "we are the only creators of federal reserve notes."

Fourth, the government & banks said "you must apply for loans to finance your commerce."

Last, the government & banks said "we decide if your project will or will not get financed."


But actually these steps happened in reverse order, so people wouldn't connect the dots. But in reality, what you are left with is this:


"WE DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS YOU WILL WORK ON, OTHERWISE YOU WILL GO TO JAIL."



Get it?




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Originally posted by Maxmars
How will they 'sell' this to us, and how will they make America think with her stomach so she doesn't 'sweat the small stuff' as Dubbya would say? Anybody want start a pool?

Let's see, it'll have to do with 'terrorism' won;t it? I hope I'm very wrong about all this. Really, we've been through enough already. How much more wealth will they surgically remove from us? Now I can more closely relate to how the indigenous people felt when they were 'discovered'. The only word that comes to mind is 'rape'.

Terrorism
Natural Disaster
Plague
Invasion (UFOs)

There are many things they might use to justify martial law. False flag terrorism would work. So would a HAARP-assisted natural disaster. A few deadly bugs let loose would do it, too. As well as a UFO invasion. We will see what they pull out of their...rear ends.