Girl died as parents prayed instead of seeking help

Girl died as parents prayed instead of seeking help

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An 11-year-old town of Weston girl died Sunday from a treatable form of diabetes after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical treatment, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said this afternoon.

Vergin said the girl’s parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believe she died because they apparently didn’t have enough faith.

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I feel for the girl, but the family really need to get their heads on straight.

Vergin said Madeline, who went by her middle name, Kara, had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

It might have been stressful for them but surely they should've realised that no 'help' was coming. Did they really think she was going to get better? Is that just plain ignorance?

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[edit on 26/3/2008 by nickh]

Put them in jail on through away the key. This is flat out murder. At the very least negligent homicide.
These people make me sick . Its one thing to deny treatment for yourself as an adult that can make that choice . But to FORCE it on a child. Just on "Faith"? . Thats just wrong .

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

I feel so sorry for this little girl and think her parents should be put in jail for criminal negligence. Religion has its place, but its not to replace medical assistance. Lock them up and maybe if they have enough faith their jail cells will open miraculously.

I guess God hates little girls.

No, I'm not serious about that. I'm being facetious.

They should've understood God put those medical workers where they are for a reason, and used this means to an end, but they took it upon themselves to accomplish works (healing), through acts (praying). Too bad.

Originally posted by depth om
They should've understood God put those medical workers where they are for a reason, and used this means to an end, but they took it upon themselves to accomplish works (healing), through acts (praying). Too bad.

Yes if they believe god exists, they should have realised that god has already given them everything they need, a brain!! a brain to use!, a body to do things themselves, they should have realised god has given them everything to accomplish healing their own child.

Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
Put them in jail on through away the key. This is flat out murder. At the very least negligent homicide.
These people make me sick . Its one thing to deny treatment for yourself as an adult that can make that choice . But to FORCE it on a child. Just on "Faith"? . Thats just wrong .

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

and what of the US states that FORCE children to take injections - send there parents to prison and tie the children down to inject them against there and there parents wishes?

Originally posted by deadline527
I feel so sorry for this little girl and think her parents should be put in jail for criminal negligence. Religion has its place, but its not to replace medical assistance.

Not everyone believes in the paradigm of western medicine.
Not every illness should be cured.
The strong are to survive.
The weak are to die.
My child will consume what I, alone, allow him to consume.

What gene did she not pass? Perhaps meant to be.
May her brothers and sisters live long and have strong families.
Move forward.

I do as I do, without question.
How can a man on his knees praying not be "doing in good conscience"?

Do you really want to live in a society of mandatory medicine?

sovereign,

Sri Oracle

A few things of interest

He said the family has no ties to a specific church or religion. “They have a little Bible study of a few people.”

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Vergin said the girl had not seen a doctor since age 3.

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The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

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“They are still in the home,” Vergin said. “There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see.”

So there are still 3 other kids living in that house. What will happen when they get sick? Will prayer save their lives?


And Finally

Some similarly-worded AP reports state the police chief “says the family does not attend an organized church or religion but is part of a Bible study group of a few people.” Also: “The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.”

Thats at the bottom of the story.

I think these parents have given up their rational minds for faith in the external...

Sad, simply and truely sad.

Well, I will say if they could have afforded the medical coverage, then yes at least 6 months in jail may help them understand how foolish they were being.

I suppose if they did not have the funds, or if getting the treatment would have put the family under severe financial hardship to the poitn where they barely be able to afford food or something they may have not had another choice.

Frankly though, I think I would have made the financial sacrafice anyways and at least give it a shot, and supplement with prayer as well. These people did not even try?

Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
Put them in jail on through away the key. This is flat out murder. At the very least negligent homicide.
These people make me sick . Its one thing to deny treatment for yourself as an adult that can make that choice . But to FORCE it on a child. Just on "Faith"? . Thats just wrong .

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

Likewise, forcing faith, you cannot force faith in medicine.

Stupid?

Yes.

its insane.

But, it is these people faith, and the government has no right to tell people that they HAVE to accept medical attention.

30 days and no one noticed her missing? Not even from school? Unless she was homeschooled.. either way, a religious family who does not want to recieve conventional medication, should not have to.

reply to post by DYepes


From what the article says, the girl hadnt been to a doctor since she was three, so I doubt they even had the situation diagnosed, let alone tried to treat/cure.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Again, according to the article, she wasnt in school. She was there for first semester, but never returned for a second.

reply to post by Rockpuck


I do agree that not EVERYTHING medical should be forced upon people . BUT . I think a simple checkup would have been in order.
Also as i said . For an adult these kinds of decisions are your own choice. But to outright ignore somehting like this (with a child). Is just crazy . I'm sure there are doctors that would have respected there religious values and still been able to save the girl .

Hell they think there kids gonna be resurrected. Is that the thinking of a logical person ?

Also i didn't know murder was a protected religious right? I guess i learn something new everyday

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

Reminds me of a story where a flood hit a town and a man was on the second floor of his house and a boat came by to bring him to safety. The man yelled out " no thank you, God will save me". The flood grew bigger and soon the man was on his roof to avoid being swept away. A second boat showed up and told him to get in, he yelled " no thank you, God will save me". The flood overtook his home and he climbed onto his chimney and a helicopter flew over and a loud voice came out telling the man to grab the rope. He replied, " no thank you, God will save me". The man died and went to heaven where he came face to face with God. The man asked God, " what happened to you? Why didn't you save me?", God replied what? I sent two boats and a helicopter for you !

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

Now I do believe in a god.

but i am sure glad im not in any relegion faction.

i dont know why but relegion takes over rational thinking.

half these christans prob dont know 5% of the christion/catholic history. or read any of the popes books.
Pope John Paul II: In My Own Words
Blood faith or etc.

but have ultimate faith blinded faith is what I call this.

these are the kind of people that would believe there children is possesed like there doing in africa if your child has a bad attitude grades etc.

and if you want him cured its 5000$ more then 6 months salary.

of course we all know the christians arent wackos right?





[edit on 26-3-2008 by NWOmaskedman]

It's a sad affair, but I don't believe putting them in jail will change anything. They still have other children they must care for, and you must allow them the conviction of their religious beliefs in my opinion.

reply to post by Christian Voice


Wow thats an awesome story . I know we don't often agree on stuff . But have a star. I think that hit the nail on the head . Kudo's

I am probably going to get smack for this but- hey I have been slapped before and will again.

It is entirely possible the parents could not afford the treatments available- thus they chose believe and rely on something to attempt to save their child. Obviously, they are not very smart/resourceful people but this is true for MANY millions of people.

There is an assumption here that they are religious/cult freaks and assumptions fueled by child death tragedy often confuse the facts. So I will point out a few.

First- this is their child and they are entitled to raise their child any way they wish and believe is best. This part is none of our business even though I also believe that forcing religion/cults on children is criminal- again this is none of my business. My heart bleeds for this girl and if I could stop this insanity for ever reoccurring I would do it in a heartbeat.

Second- these parents may have tried several ways and services to get their child help and were turned away only leaving a prayer.

If people are going to label these people as murderers you are letting them off the hook far too easily. I think being a stupid superstitious, narrow-minded bad irresponsible lazy parent is worse than being a murderer and in fact it is worse than being a child molester. I will go so far as to say it is the worst thing in the world.

Because stupid superstitious, narrow-minded bad irresponsible lazy parents give birth to people who usually grow up to be uncontrollable monsters and most of them are running the world today.

Now consider this- this mother may have considered abortion because she knew they could never raise a child. She was conflicted about abortion and confided in a friend- who upon hearing such a horrible scenario quickly helped her friend from committing murder and rushed her to a priest. Being the idiot she is, the girl died anyway- just as she thought. The parents may also have been using contraceptives- same scenario.

So I say burn down the church and arrest all the priests and nuns and such and place them on trial for this murder.

Don't worry about the parents- they are so stupid that prison isn't going to teach them anything- let them continue to stupidly struggle to put food on the table- but deny them any government assistance in the future- do not allow them to get a job. Make them wear an "Idiot" pin on their lapel or in view (like Hitler did to...you know- not all his ideas were merit less) This pin would clearly tell people not to give them hand outs either.

The problem works itself out because now they will find out if they have enough faith to live and they will know exactly what their daughter went through in "praying" for survival/assistance/miracles.... (although people like this do not get very far because they end up dead by choking to death on a fish bone or stumbling out in front of a bus or get electrocuted by trying to fish out a piece of toast from the toaster with a metal knife, falling asleep in bed with a lit cigarette, etc...this is how stupid people usually die anyway).

That ladies and gents is what I call justice.



[edit on 26-3-2008 by dk3000]