STS-75 Tether Incident - Mystery solved! Breaking News!

originally posted by: K-PAX-PROT...

Double edged sword, ....

Hypotheticals are wonderful ways to while away spring afternoons.

How about sticking to facts about the STS-75 videos?

Do you think the scenes are day or night?

How long after the tether break did the 'swarm' show up?

Why do the crew's handheld 70-mm shots look so different from the video camera views?

Facts, please.

a reply to: JimObergJim,
the so called stars are over the earth & not in the air glow or space.

originally posted by: JimOberg
Why can't you admit the 'swarm' didn't show up until four days after the break?

I have no idea what you are talking about re: when the UFOs "show up"? What has that got to do my points????

a reply to: K-PAX-PROTI am open to Living Creatures...but as I study the large sampling of UFOs appearing on the STS-75 mission...& there are a lot with long segments showing this. (See my You Tube Channel for 300 plus videos!)

...I find the behavior of the UFOs to be not always random. There are so many examples of the UFOs moving to a still position & the action is deliberate. They team together & move together. Only the rotating & tumbling is varied, even when they move at the same speed.

They could be mechanical craft...like a solo car...
or organic craft controlled by a separate intelligence, as we ride a horse...thus making it's actions, intelligent & with purpose....
If alive they may be like a squid , able to disguise itself etc.

The craft that is the UFO, appears to reflect the SUN glint (or moon glint) off the UFO as it penetrates the craft/critter,
just as NASA describes the glare from the ocean. It penetrates the water & reflects the motion of the waves.

The Tether UFOs also has an internal wave that is it's propulsion.This internal wave is just below the surface & in the center.

The astronauts call the fist size UFOs as "Shiny Bits". They call the 10 to 12 foot UFOs Bright objects & UFO gatherings... "The Material".

Believe me, NASA is not looking at ice. NASA is not following ice nor is there "Orbital Debris" that SURROUNDS the space shuttle for DAYS!!!

NASA used the shuttle cameras to search for "Targets of opportunity" during a mission. So many camera shots follow the UFOs...ON Purpose! The horrible camera shots are actually good for UFO hunting as the light is always varying.

The astronauts say the OBJECTS are illuminated by the Sun &/or Moon, which is correct. The UFOs hide invisibly right in front of us.They are seen only as they reflect light. (that is also why they are not spotted 200 miles below.)

The HUGE UFOs are seen blazing under the horizon. They are like giant squid as they are not seen too often.

The UFOs that are about 10 to 12 feet, never approach the space assets. Only the small fist sized & near field UFOs
ever enter the cargo Bay, for example.

a reply to: buzzEmiller

And where is the evidence for all these claims of yours?

a reply to: JimObergJim...I did not edit anything to give any false impression. Any compilation I put together, for example...of all the tether sightings...was just that. A compilation.

I posted the FULL tether hunt leading up to the tether break, as well as the tether UFO Incident, UNEDITED. So where is that manipulation!

So what,... if regular activities resumed...that does not change what it is we are looking at when the UFOs reflect, rotate, & swim about.

The astronauts & CAPCOM are always going on about this UFO phenomena. How it follows them around!!! Then they to fake science saying that it is debris (deadly) or ice (days of ice following & moving about, within the free fall orbit at 17,000MPH??!!)...sometimes it's "items" (a swarm of thermal blankets)! They even called them shooting stars.(200 miles up?)

I mean really Jim, all you are really debating is... just as NASA states...WHAT IS FOLLOWING THE SHUTTLE & THE SPACE ASSETS? Jim says ICE. That is it. ICE. Everywhere & all around the shuttle..close in the near field is ICE. Every UFO is ice.
That is NUTS. The huge archive I have from 4 years of taping shuttle flight video, downloaded LIVE tells a different story. This evidence shows that it is not ice. Not a chance. And every scientist I show it to...every astronomer...every photo image specialist, including Space experts,... LAUGHS, when I show them the mass of video Evidence & they then read the MUMBO JUMBO you have posted. Even agreeing that some things we see are ice bits (infrequent & brief I might add)...the VAST amount of UFO sightings during a mission defy ICE! Even the astronauts barely say ice. They seem to voice "DEBRIS" more often than ice. And that is false. The objects are not orbital debris for sure.

Astronauts scramble for the escape vehicle when debris the size of a pebble approaches the ISS. Pitting from orbital debris is evident on all the Shuttle windows & that is all they can take..."pitting" by orbital debris the size of a grain of salt. No bigger!

So I say lets agree with NASA that many UNKNOWN FLYING (they move about while following the shuttle at 17,000 MPH) OBJECTS always follow space shuttles about. They are UFOs. NASA watches them & uses the cameras to continually follow themas they move about. Lots of times they say nothing. Many times they leave the UFO view on the screen as lots of time expires. 10 to 20 minutes of continuous ACTION...But the action of what?

I may not be able to say exactly what the UFOs are, but I can say WHAT THEY ARE NOT!

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: buzzEmiller

And where is the evidence for all these claims of yours?

The evidence is on my You Tube Channel. It is a dedicated library of NASA UFO clips. I have posted 300 plus video clips & it will take you a lot of time & work to cross reference items etc...please be my guest. I have another 600 +, ready to load & post.

I am amazed that it is not better known considering the interest out there! I have been visited by all the you tubers who have ripped my original video discoveries off & RE-POSTED them. The HITS/views are in the mega millions & I am proud of being the source. I have allowed this as I felt that NASA spooks might block the visits to my sight & postings.. so it is best for the NASA Evidence to be shared, (I only ask for credit).

originally posted by: buzzEmiller
a reply to: JimObergJim,
the so called stars are over the earth & not in the air glow or space.

So in your interpretation the tether is passing BELOW the shuttle against a dark Earth? I just want to get this clear.

"Why can't you admit the 'swarm' didn't show up until four days after the break? "

originally posted by: buzzEmiller

originally posted by: JimOberg
Why can't you admit the 'swarm' didn't show up until four days after the break?

I have no idea what you are talking about re: when the UFOs "show up"? What has that got to do my points????

You say you present the videos unedited but if you recorded segments on different days and then present them back-to-back as if the action was continuous, isn't there a chance of giving a misleading impression to viewers?

Everyone can see how defiantly stubborn you are in refusing to concede the fact that the two events were four days apart.

Your reaction? "What difference does it make now?"

originally posted by: JimOberg
"Why can't you admit the 'swarm' didn't show up until four days after the break? "

originally posted by: buzzEmiller

originally posted by: JimOberg
Why can't you admit the 'swarm' didn't show up until four days after the break?

I have no idea what you are talking about re: when the UFOs "show up"? What has that got to do my points????

You say you present the videos unedited but if you recorded segments on different days and then present them back-to-back as if the action was continuous, isn't there a chance of giving a misleading impression to viewers?

Everyone can see how defiantly stubborn you are in refusing to concede the fact that the two events were four days apart.

Your reaction? "What difference does it make now?"

No...I posted the tether a few times & on one of the postings I put tether sightings together. That is all. No mention is ever made by me as to them being in order of when they appear. The channel is straight forward..all different versions are up. Including the SUPER popular "search" for the tether. And I commented re: the fact that no one else has complained & that the current posting shows the whole works from search to the tether swarm from the tether master. HELLO Jim...that is honest..up to date...thus your comment re: the multiple sightings "does not matter"!

And please explain the massive importance to me as to how many days between?? And where have I refused to "concede this & where am I stubborn?? The fact that these are unknown objects is my interest. The UFOs are ever present & turn up many times. You may be confusing my points with David Sereda's debate?

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: buzzEmiller
a reply to: JimObergJim,
the so called stars are over the earth & not in the air glow or space.

So in your interpretation the tether is passing BELOW the shuttle against a dark Earth? I just want to get this clear.

Jim I think this is off track. My comment as to WHERE the UFOs are is not a tether swarm comment. It relates to a totally different video clip. The STS tether mission had many UFO sightings & my comment on the astronauts "CRAZY TALK" stands... as the UFOs move & zoom over the Earth & the whole time the astronaut is going on & on about it being "living Proof" that stars are visible in the daylight...& he adds " & we know who has been up here"??? I put it on my channel a while back.

ATS has rejected my attempts to post videos with my comments which is too bad... saying I have inferior software!! So I can only advise every one at ATS to go to the NASA UFO archive at my channel.

The tether is what it is & the video is straight forward & unedited including the super lengthy search. It is fun & shows all kinds of lighting conditions, including lots of back-lighting of "stars" by the moonlight! Where are the water dumps Jim??

Also worth mentioning is the fact that during one TOP (tether optical phenomena) experiment, the camera, which has many filters to eliminate stray light & multiple image intensifiers...was used during a water dump to see the water's effect on the SHUTTLE GLOW. They did not have ice hitting it...it was fluid. That is TOP camera 'fact' & this was a previously selected "target" .

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: K-PAX-PROT
The possibility of actual live or living space time organisms moving about in space or even consciousness being aware of its self in space is one i feel is plausible. Ice is one boring analogy, those that advocate it for every space UFO have clearly been at the fun-sponge school of negativity.....

Who is it you fantasize thinks every strange space dot is ice? Or is this another deflective 'straw man' gimmick so beloved of the irrational arguers?

Please Jim tell us what other things... besides ice... have you come up with to "explain" UFOs in Space now that orbital debris has now been totally debunked!!...

When you refer to videos you've posted on youtube please provide URLs and for specific events, time tags. Thanks.

a reply to: buzzEmiller

I will bite provide links to your channel and what you think you see I need a

I have seen so many BS youtube channels about images and videos of supposed ufo's when it's obvious the person with the channel doesn't have a clue about photography/video digital imaging or optics.

So as Jim said post the links to your so called proof

a reply to: buzzEmiller

Who debunked the orbital debris...you?

So just because you think you debunked something with a youtube video doesn't make it true.

Martyn, I'm curious about your assessment of the sts-75 tether 70-mm photos.

Why do they look so different from the TV images?

Have you ever put any of them on your youtube postings?

Here are two examples --

Martyn, you keep repeating that I claim all these dots are 'space junk'. Please do not carelessly misrepresent my opinions.

This essay has been on my website for four years…
99 Frequently Asked Questions [FAQs] about astronauts and UFOs
www.jamesoberg.com...

34 Q: What have these ‘space UFOs’ turned out to be?

A: Some of them turn out to be the same things ‘ground UFOs’ have been, such as misperceived normal human flight activity, natural atmospheric phenomena [when looking downward towards Earth], window reflections, defects, or contamination, or on occasion, bright celestial objects such as the Moon and – yes! – Venus. On occasion, during night passes, astronauts on space walks in the dark have seen what turned out to be bright lights on Earth’s surface passing beneath them. Some are other orbiting space vehicles, but only rarely. Most are ‘stuff’ coming off the vehicle the observation is being made from, that flies along with the vehicle for a period of time. See the locations of these vents here: www.jamesoberg.com...



35 Q: How much of it is “space junk”?

A: Very, very little, actually – if you use the standard definition of “space junk” to mean other satellites and pieces off of them, which constitute an impact hazard to human space missions and automated satellites as well. Because all orbiting objects are moving at tremendous speeds in different directions, when they do pass closely to each other, they zip past at several miles per second. Thus they are extremely difficult to detect visually. Anything that was seen over a period of time longer than a few seconds would have to have been something closely following the observer, and thus associated with the vehicle from which the observation was being made. Now, that's unless it was somebody else’s vehicle deliberately keeping pace, of course. But "space junk" as we commonly use the term? Hardly ever, maybe never.



36 Q: How often do astronauts see passing satellites out the window, or on TV screens.

A: Astronauts have observed other distant satellites, but not often. On special research programs, some astronauts have been able to spot ‘Iridium flares’ [Don Pettit, for example]. But on occasion when the crew was advised to look for a particularly close [a few miles] pass of a large satellites, every effort to detect the fly-by visually has failed. I have never found a single case of an observed nearby object turning out to be a passing satellite in independent orbit.



37 Q: But aren’t they flying through clouds of ‘space junk’? How could all those tens of thousands of objects be invisible?

A: I’ve got to admit that this has been really surprising to me since like so many others I had at first overlooked how big space is and how FAST criss-crossing orbits diverge. The earthside analogy of airplanes on different headings being visible to each other in midair as they crossed paths just overwhelmed a rational consideration of the way space is so very different, so unearthly. It makes sense now that eyeballs would almost never notice such fast passersby, so I can understand how the public has fallen for the same false analogy.

Just a reminder, here are the files and links I've put up on sts-75


sts-75 tether swarm

www.jamesoberg.com...


COMPLETE VIDEO & SCENE LIST OF TETHER ENCOUNTER
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TRAJECTORY OF THE FOUR-DAYS-LATER LOOSE TETHER FLY-BY
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HAND-HELD PHOTOGRAPHY OF TETHER DURING FLY-BY
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STS-75 Non-Smoking Non-Gun

STS-75 EECOM Opinion

STS-75 Relative Motion

Timing of four separate viewing opportunities

FLIGHT PLAN STS-75 FINAL (PDF)

STS 75 Flight Day 8 Execute Package (PDF)

A skeptical examination of the STS-75 tether-swarm video

Statement by Chuck Shaw, STS-75 Flight Director || Second letter by Shaw, January 2001

STS-75 Notched Disk Zones – Proves notches are camera artifacts

Oberg’s May 2000 assessment

Statement by astronaut Andrew Allen, STS-75 co-pilot

David Sereda calls all astronauts liars - 04/2000

Dr. Joe Nuth Rebuts David Sereda space UFO misinterpretations - 03/2000

David Sereda calls astronaut Franklin Chang a liar - 02/2000

Why do they look so different from the TV images?

Because of the very nature of the UFOS... small & near field (as you keep saying!), as well as rotating , causing intermittent reflection. The night shots, with the low light image intensified video...are the time to SEE them as they catch the moonlight &/or sunrise etc. In 1996 the CCD, had replaced the old "video tubes" in home cameras. Yet NASA was flying a HALF Billion dollar mission with 1980 video tubes on the black & white cameras!

WHY? Because they gave NASA the best chance of "seeing" the OBJECTS in the near field. So naturally there are no 70mm shots in daylight no less...or ground pictures (200 miles away)

It all sounds so scientific (blind me with science) & complicated ...yet it is really very simple & all common sense!

Simple because NASA agrees that there are OBJECTS following the shuttles & moving around the shuttles. This goes on for days at a time, for the entire mission.

Common Sense because ice can not do that & orbital debris is deadly. There are not enough 'other bits' around to follow etc. missions & NASA would not be always zooming in on these objects. These objects are always around spacewalks as well & the space walkers never worry, let alone mention them as the objects zoom past???

I am saying they are unknown. You are saying there are no unknowns here, because you are a committed SKEPTIC of all UFOs.... so the OBJECTS can not be unidentified & MUST be explainable even if it makes no sense?

So it is me who is more reasonable in saying that we have unidentified flying objects here...UFOs.

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