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There is no civilisation on mars. Period.
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No life on Mars. This is B.S.....
Are you incapable of seeing the arrogance of your statements? You seem to be implying that this is not merely a difference of opinion but that you 'know' your point of view to be right. Based on what? You have actual evidence that there is not now, nor has there ever been, intelligent life on Mars? May I see the evidence? May I see anything to indicate that this is more than simply your opinion? And/or why should your opinion count for more than anyone else's?
You do not think so. Others do. Until one group produces conclusive evidence both sides have only opinons. Stop talking like you are "in the know". You don't know squat. You have simply decided to disbelieve.
As for your radio wave argument I keep picturing two savages in the jungle deciding there are no other intelligent people around them because if there were they'd have heard their drumming.
You are a disbeliever like a million others. And?...So?...Get over yourself.
Are you incapable of seeing the arrogance of your statements? You seem to be implying that this is not merely a difference of opinion but that you 'know' your point of view to be right. Based on what? You have actual evidence that there is not now, nor has there ever been, intelligent life on Mars? May I see the evidence? May I see anything to indicate that this is more than simply your opinion? And/or why should your opinion count for more than anyone else's?
You do not think so. Others do. Until one group produces conclusive evidence both sides have only opinons. Stop talking like you are "in the know". You don't know squat. You have simply decided to disbelieve.
As for your radio wave argument I keep picturing two savages in the jungle deciding there are no other intelligent people around them because if there were they'd have heard their drumming.
You are a disbeliever like a million others. And?...So?...Get over yourself.
Criminy.....I've rolled that same glitch over twice now.
Just to view the latest post.
Edit to add: And now that I've read it....I wonder why I bothered.
[edit on 19-3-2008 by MrPenny]
Just to view the latest post.
Edit to add: And now that I've read it....I wonder why I bothered.
[edit on 19-3-2008 by MrPenny]
reply to post by redshirt0202
Dr. Carl Sagan during his life theorized how many civilizations could be possible throughout the cosmos. I don't have the exact figures, but I recall that it was in the billions.
Given that, and the age of the universe, I would have to conclude that there has been life long before us, more than just us now, and there will be long after we are gone.
It is quite possible that something or somekind of living enity has visited this solar system long ago, and may have left behind relics and evidence on the moon, and other planets. Which may be the whole premise behind NASA.
Not space exporation, but, a sort of expedition to find the evidence out there that supports the evidence here. We had contact with something in our early history. There is too much supporting evidence. To say that it isn't true, would be shortsighted. Who or what "THEY" were is up to speculation. But, Don't rule it out!
Do not expect any major news releases when they find something out there, that would prove that there was, or is now, viable evidence to prove we are not alone. All we can hope for, is an OUTLAW scientist who'd risk it all to get the truth out. That, or an all out invasion by E.T. enmass.
No spinning that as swamp gas!
All we can do now is, watch, wait, and investigate.
I believe the real signs that we are now receiving are in crop circles. There is way to much Divine Geometry involved in their designs. To me, they are a form of communication being placed here by "?" and are instructions and warnings. Which of course are way over our head...But, "?" keeps trying to wake us up. Something is up, and we are missing the point! Is it 2012? Planet X? Planetary extiction? Who knows, but they or "?" is sending us a wake call. We had better figure out what "?" is communicating, before it is too late. I am highly suspicious that not any of the brilliant minds on earth, haven't decoded the crop circle messages yet.
It seems impossible. Not a single one has been decoded? Come On!
I couldn't make a blanket statement saying that, There is no Life any place else PERIOD..
That is too strong. I try to remain open minded. I hope everyone else can too. Some day humans will have their answer. I feel it may be sooner, than later too.
UFOBH over and out
Dr. Carl Sagan during his life theorized how many civilizations could be possible throughout the cosmos. I don't have the exact figures, but I recall that it was in the billions.
Given that, and the age of the universe, I would have to conclude that there has been life long before us, more than just us now, and there will be long after we are gone.
It is quite possible that something or somekind of living enity has visited this solar system long ago, and may have left behind relics and evidence on the moon, and other planets. Which may be the whole premise behind NASA.
Not space exporation, but, a sort of expedition to find the evidence out there that supports the evidence here. We had contact with something in our early history. There is too much supporting evidence. To say that it isn't true, would be shortsighted. Who or what "THEY" were is up to speculation. But, Don't rule it out!
Do not expect any major news releases when they find something out there, that would prove that there was, or is now, viable evidence to prove we are not alone. All we can hope for, is an OUTLAW scientist who'd risk it all to get the truth out. That, or an all out invasion by E.T. enmass.
No spinning that as swamp gas!
All we can do now is, watch, wait, and investigate.
I believe the real signs that we are now receiving are in crop circles. There is way to much Divine Geometry involved in their designs. To me, they are a form of communication being placed here by "?" and are instructions and warnings. Which of course are way over our head...But, "?" keeps trying to wake us up. Something is up, and we are missing the point! Is it 2012? Planet X? Planetary extiction? Who knows, but they or "?" is sending us a wake call. We had better figure out what "?" is communicating, before it is too late. I am highly suspicious that not any of the brilliant minds on earth, haven't decoded the crop circle messages yet.
It seems impossible. Not a single one has been decoded? Come On!
I couldn't make a blanket statement saying that, There is no Life any place else PERIOD..
That is too strong. I try to remain open minded. I hope everyone else can too. Some day humans will have their answer. I feel it may be sooner, than later too.
UFOBH over and out
I liked that idea from op about starting a poll but with evidence to support a simple yes/no opinion. A different thread, I think, if you want to
clear away the debris of this discussion first.
Final point I wish to make for now, and it's to do with life, evolution and everything:
Has nobody noticed yet that humans aren't the only animals living on earth? Has nobody spotted that we've been here only a fraction of the planet's history and that dinosaurs ruled for an immensely greater period than we have so far? That we are far more likely to die out in the next hundred years or so than in the next million? ("More likely to", I said, not "doomed to".)
Life on Mars. A civilisation but no animals? No dogs or horses or cattle equivalents? No lions, tigers and chimpanzees? For evolution to work, many more than one life form has to exist. There are no wildebeest running across the plains, though, so if there is a current civilisation (living underground or wherever), they must have wiped out all the other fawna. Not impossible, perhaps. Did they also bury all the carcasses, though? Again, not impossible. Just a little unlikely.
Once more, if there's any evidence at all it's most likely going to show a past civilisation and, unlike the poster who believes this the greater likelihood, I don't imagine they necessarily killed themselves in wars. Once more there would be evidence of animal life still living off the slim pickings. And there would be abundant signs of war machines poking through the sand, surely!
Their demise could have been brought about by climate change, self pollution or disease, any of which would have wiped out most of the fawna as well. But wouldn't some have survived? Wouldn't evolution have kicked in and allowed Martian cockroaches to become dominant? Speculation about what would happen on earth still sees some plants and animals surviving even the most horrific cataclysms, after all we survived the one that killed the dinosaurs.
That is my evidence for there being no extant civilisations currently living on or under the surface of Mars - or the moon - unless they have originated elsewhere in the universe and travelled there for their own inscrutible reasons.
Please feel free to disprove each of my contentions, but please don't just tell me I'm wrong and please try to say something a little more enlightening than how much BS you feel I have spoken. It does neither of us any good to get nasty.
Not speaking to anyone in particular, of course, you understand.
Final point I wish to make for now, and it's to do with life, evolution and everything:
Has nobody noticed yet that humans aren't the only animals living on earth? Has nobody spotted that we've been here only a fraction of the planet's history and that dinosaurs ruled for an immensely greater period than we have so far? That we are far more likely to die out in the next hundred years or so than in the next million? ("More likely to", I said, not "doomed to".)
Life on Mars. A civilisation but no animals? No dogs or horses or cattle equivalents? No lions, tigers and chimpanzees? For evolution to work, many more than one life form has to exist. There are no wildebeest running across the plains, though, so if there is a current civilisation (living underground or wherever), they must have wiped out all the other fawna. Not impossible, perhaps. Did they also bury all the carcasses, though? Again, not impossible. Just a little unlikely.
Once more, if there's any evidence at all it's most likely going to show a past civilisation and, unlike the poster who believes this the greater likelihood, I don't imagine they necessarily killed themselves in wars. Once more there would be evidence of animal life still living off the slim pickings. And there would be abundant signs of war machines poking through the sand, surely!
Their demise could have been brought about by climate change, self pollution or disease, any of which would have wiped out most of the fawna as well. But wouldn't some have survived? Wouldn't evolution have kicked in and allowed Martian cockroaches to become dominant? Speculation about what would happen on earth still sees some plants and animals surviving even the most horrific cataclysms, after all we survived the one that killed the dinosaurs.
That is my evidence for there being no extant civilisations currently living on or under the surface of Mars - or the moon - unless they have originated elsewhere in the universe and travelled there for their own inscrutible reasons.
Please feel free to disprove each of my contentions, but please don't just tell me I'm wrong and please try to say something a little more enlightening than how much BS you feel I have spoken. It does neither of us any good to get nasty.
Not speaking to anyone in particular, of course, you understand.
Ok, let's try this one on for size, giggles and such. The evidence that you are looking for just might not exist on the dimension of reality and so
since it would not exist, we would not see it or even experience it. But yet, it is still there.
Or, the advanced races that could be much older than us use technology that yet is beyond our grasp or ability to monitor, see, or otherwise.
So it seems that if it is not like us, then we assume that it does not exist. If UFOw's from other words truely exist, then why have we not picked up their communications and headed them off at every turn and corner where they show up to abduct or otherwise.
As a person who was abducted, I can tell you this. Government involvement was not there when it first happened, but after two incidents within 48 hours of each other involving me, there then became sudden behind the scenes invovlement with a thrid abduction that was both ET and military combined involvement.
So what does that tell us? Simple, if our boys know it is taking place would they tell us? I will leave you to answer that one for yourself.
Or, the advanced races that could be much older than us use technology that yet is beyond our grasp or ability to monitor, see, or otherwise.
So it seems that if it is not like us, then we assume that it does not exist. If UFOw's from other words truely exist, then why have we not picked up their communications and headed them off at every turn and corner where they show up to abduct or otherwise.
As a person who was abducted, I can tell you this. Government involvement was not there when it first happened, but after two incidents within 48 hours of each other involving me, there then became sudden behind the scenes invovlement with a thrid abduction that was both ET and military combined involvement.
So what does that tell us? Simple, if our boys know it is taking place would they tell us? I will leave you to answer that one for yourself.
haha, im sorry but a nightmare doesnt count as an abduction! no wonder why it happened within a short timeframe.
and prehaps until we actually find some hard evidences that actually supports the stories of delerious people... there is no real answer to the question. its not even a mystery. its just an idea, just like Darwins theory, its doesnt even make sense but when you get a bunch of people who want to believe in something that like evidences start piling up out of absolutely nowhere simply because they want it to be true and you can see it starting to trickle over into this topic, people want it to be true so you see people starting to make up evidences that support what they are saying. you get fake pictures or digitally enhanced pictures with selective evidences/twisted evidences that produce an image that supports their theory. this has been seen before and we are seeing it now.
All of it is a bunch of crap.
and prehaps until we actually find some hard evidences that actually supports the stories of delerious people... there is no real answer to the question. its not even a mystery. its just an idea, just like Darwins theory, its doesnt even make sense but when you get a bunch of people who want to believe in something that like evidences start piling up out of absolutely nowhere simply because they want it to be true and you can see it starting to trickle over into this topic, people want it to be true so you see people starting to make up evidences that support what they are saying. you get fake pictures or digitally enhanced pictures with selective evidences/twisted evidences that produce an image that supports their theory. this has been seen before and we are seeing it now.
All of it is a bunch of crap.
This thread has become less about proveing a negative, more about personality.
Those who are full of fear and hate and eliteism are so quick to attack, supress, critisize.
Those full of hope and love likewise are quick to defend, uplift, and compliment.
Even if you measured every particle that is, was, or ever will be part of Mars from its start at the big bang, to its end at the big freeze or squeeze (depending on your flavor) every particle in every universe wich is was or will be Mars, you still couldn't be absolutely sure there was no civilization on Mars. Even if you did it in every KNOWN dimension, there could be one just out of reach, in wich there is a civilisation on Mars.
Prove me wrong. I dare you. This is the same reason athiests can't prove there isn't a God, so thier beliefe there is no God is an article of faith, though most I have spoken to would say its a matter of "common sence", apperently uncomfortable with faith. When you say "There is no civilisation on mars. Period." the "period" implies absolution.
This post is just like the ink blot tests. I think you are affraid of little green men on Mars. Afraid someone out there is smarter, or older, or more powerful than you. As for the rest, its easy to see many nay-sayers are afraid, but some followers are afraid too I think.
P.S. You have but 2 choices how to see anything, love or fear. Many of your choices are very transparent.
[edit on 23-3-2008 by HellHound63S]
Those who are full of fear and hate and eliteism are so quick to attack, supress, critisize.
Those full of hope and love likewise are quick to defend, uplift, and compliment.
Even if you measured every particle that is, was, or ever will be part of Mars from its start at the big bang, to its end at the big freeze or squeeze (depending on your flavor) every particle in every universe wich is was or will be Mars, you still couldn't be absolutely sure there was no civilization on Mars. Even if you did it in every KNOWN dimension, there could be one just out of reach, in wich there is a civilisation on Mars.
Prove me wrong. I dare you. This is the same reason athiests can't prove there isn't a God, so thier beliefe there is no God is an article of faith, though most I have spoken to would say its a matter of "common sence", apperently uncomfortable with faith. When you say "There is no civilisation on mars. Period." the "period" implies absolution.
This post is just like the ink blot tests. I think you are affraid of little green men on Mars. Afraid someone out there is smarter, or older, or more powerful than you. As for the rest, its easy to see many nay-sayers are afraid, but some followers are afraid too I think.
P.S. You have but 2 choices how to see anything, love or fear. Many of your choices are very transparent.
[edit on 23-3-2008 by HellHound63S]
Prove me wrong. I dare you. This is the same reason athiests can\'t prove there isn\'t a God, so thier beliefe there is no God is an article of faith, though most I have spoken to would say its a matter of \"common sence\", apperently uncomfortable with faith. When you say \"There is no civilisation on mars. Period.\" the \"period\" implies absolution.
cant prove you wrong, but you cant prove youself right either. im just leaning more toward this common sense you speak of. common sense tells us that life so far is on earth and no where else, actually science tells us that too. life cannot spontaneously generate (thats already been proven) so therefore life cannot exist on other planets unless it was placed there. like also cannot exist on other planets unless the planet themselves can support life. and as far as I know one thing that is necessary to support life on any planet is a magnetic field. based off an ealier post, Mars does not have one.
all you can do is believe that there is something there.
just like that Oort cloud everyone believed in, people probably still believe in it simply because they want to deny the truth.
[edit on 24-3-2008 by Methuselah]
Originally posted by HellHound63S
This thread has become less about proveing a negative, more about personality.
Those who are full of fear and hate and eliteism are so quick to attack, supress, critisize.
Those full of hope and love likewise are quick to defend, uplift, and compliment.
Just like real life, sometimes, isn't it?
I'm sooo tired of all the anger that goes with these discussions.
Maybe discussions is the wrong word.
Why can't everyone give a moment or two to contemplate the inconceivable. It doesn't actually hurt. And it's fun. And Einstein built his entire career on it.
reply to post by vze2xjjk
Show us what? Are you seeing something different to me because all thats showing on my monitor is a green pixellated mess thats meant to be animals, and a yellow rock with "mars baby" typed over it.
Show us what? Are you seeing something different to me because all thats showing on my monitor is a green pixellated mess thats meant to be animals, and a yellow rock with "mars baby" typed over it.
Take it with a grain of salt.... but that is NOT what radio personality RUSH LIMBAUGH has to say
about it.... apparently he was privy to a document entitled "The Gore Report"..... anyone ever hear of this.
THE GORE REPORT?
It sounds like a bunch of crap... mabey just sensationalist propaganda for ratings....hard to say.... there could be a grain of truth....I recommend salt people...salt.
[edit on 073030p://54047 by 1nL1ghtened]
It sounds like a bunch of crap... mabey just sensationalist propaganda for ratings....hard to say.... there could be a grain of truth....I recommend salt people...salt.
[edit on 073030p://54047 by 1nL1ghtened]
reply to post by ruggedtoast
To a trained eye there is life presented within these photos on Mars vze has shared with us. To the untrained eyes it looks like a mixed up mess, but like vze has said take your time you will start to recognize the Mars bizarre and unusual lifeforms. Again applause goes out to vze for his hard work and keen eye in exposing the NASA cover-up and showing the incredible lifeforms existing on Mars surface. Rik Riley
[edit on 20-4-2008 by rikriley]
To a trained eye there is life presented within these photos on Mars vze has shared with us. To the untrained eyes it looks like a mixed up mess, but like vze has said take your time you will start to recognize the Mars bizarre and unusual lifeforms. Again applause goes out to vze for his hard work and keen eye in exposing the NASA cover-up and showing the incredible lifeforms existing on Mars surface. Rik Riley
[edit on 20-4-2008 by rikriley]
Originally posted by vze2xjjk
I can't convince you.I can only show you.
Correct! The only thing I'm convinced about is that your cheesy 'Super Nintendo' pictures do NOTHING to advance the serious research into Life On Mars. You take seeing Faces in Clouds to a whole new level mate!
However, I do believe that primitive lifeforms were once abundant on Mars. There may still be microscopic life under the ground, under rocks etc but your cloaked predator pokemons take the cake!
IRM
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Correct! The only thing I'm convinced about is that your cheesy 'Super Nintendo' pictures do NOTHING to advance the serious research into Life On Mars. You take seeing Faces in Clouds to a whole new level mate!
Oh come on man, give the guy a break. How do you know a face in the clouds isn't really a face of a living being on some level?
Don't be afraid of the bizzar, love it, its a heck of a lot better than "normal" or mundane.
How boring would life be if you knew everything from haveing hard proof about it? Luckily Von Hisenburg is in the house! And I must point out yet again that in the multi-verse EVERYTHING that CAN happen IS happening right now. So wether in this universe or another those are really pics of life on mars.
Its sad how you can't let yourself imagine it, you are killing your own mind's potential with fear of the unknown. AKA- "Fear is the mind killer" or "You are what you think".
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Thanks to Hisenburg's thoery, no matter what you say, those pics could be real, and there might or might not be civilisation on mars.
reply to post by HellHound63S
LOL Hellhound63S
I'll take your post as the obvious joke that it appears to be! In any case, to set one thing straight, my opinions are formulated by logic and intelligence. Fear doesn't even come mildly into the equation!
At the end of the day, what is there to fear? Nothing! I encourage the unknown and the unexplained. The world would be boring otherwise but I do draw a line such as expressed in my previous post.
IRM
LOL Hellhound63S
I'll take your post as the obvious joke that it appears to be! In any case, to set one thing straight, my opinions are formulated by logic and intelligence. Fear doesn't even come mildly into the equation!
At the end of the day, what is there to fear? Nothing! I encourage the unknown and the unexplained. The world would be boring otherwise but I do draw a line such as expressed in my previous post.
IRM
While I agree that there is probably no current civilization on Mars, but trust NASA because they don't lie? Don't make me laugh.
Originally posted by HellHound63S
Don't be afraid of the bizzar, love it, its a heck of a lot better than "normal" or mundane.
I love sci-fi, but truth is much stranger than fiction.
How boring would life be if you knew everything from haveing hard proof about it? Luckily Von Hisenburg is in the house! And I must point out yet again that in the multi-verse EVERYTHING that CAN happen IS happening right now. So wether in this universe or another those are really pics of life on mars.
No. Look it up. It's spelled Heisenberg BTW. The many-worlds interpretation of quantum theory does not theorize the existence of a universe for every fictional idea.
Its sad how you can't let yourself imagine it, you are killing your own mind's potential with fear of the unknown. AKA- "Fear is the mind killer" or "You are what you think".
Don't be afraid of reality.
LOL Infraredman...
Am I the ONLY one who got your post about "fear is the mindkiller...fear is the little death" etc...
DUNE.... people, it's a quote from Dune! Helloooo. I am laughing so hard....Mentat's everywhere UNITE...Frank Herbert ROCKED!
Anyway, back on topic, once again another Mars post, I love Mars as well as the next person...thanks OP for posting it, I am glad all of you interested in Mars keep scouring the photos for interesting objects and pictures Keep up the good work!
Am I the ONLY one who got your post about "fear is the mindkiller...fear is the little death" etc...
DUNE.... people, it's a quote from Dune! Helloooo. I am laughing so hard....Mentat's everywhere UNITE...Frank Herbert ROCKED!
Anyway, back on topic, once again another Mars post, I love Mars as well as the next person...thanks OP for posting it, I am glad all of you interested in Mars keep scouring the photos for interesting objects and pictures Keep up the good work!
reply to post by InfaRedMan
Infrared man,I am a horor movie fan from the 1960's who grew up watching black & white tv which would get frequently haywire images,so that I was very good at fixing the picture when dad said so. I was learning then how to see things in B&W and interpret them to a color version in my mind that was somewhat but not totally 3D. I learned to see in B&W,while today's kids can't even conceive of tv as B&W ,and just laugh at the idea.WHUT,no KOLLER ? 1980's I was designing monsters for TV & Movies.Borg,Predator,Ferengi,Bajorans,Cardassians.....all my concepts and original drawings. I know what a monster looks like. I'm an artist who spent his teens in the art section of the school library,not reading,but looking at the pictures.I collected pics since age 11. I have garages full of them,yes garages PLURAL. You have never seen or met someone more obsessed with images.So I see what others miss because in my world they are casual observers.Has anyone EVER been bold enough to present dragon pics from Viking lander images? I want to meet them. If I hadn't already found them in the Spirit and Op images,I wouldn't know what to look for. How many million people glossed over those images and grumbled to themselves,what a bunch of rocks? And those people were mislead with info submitted as scientific and presented as factual precise accurate scientific proof that the Mars conditions were too brutal for much more than bacteria at best ,at least at Mars surface.Blind belief,reliance on false info,deception deliberate and manipulative with Gov't funds OH MY,it's a shame.
Viking image 1976(?) You have to see symetry and look for the eyes.
It stares directly at the Viking camera,facial orientation straight on,nose toward Viking Lander. It's less than a stones throw away from the lander.
It's less than 10 steps away.It's just a typical Mars dragon.
Infrared man,I am a horor movie fan from the 1960's who grew up watching black & white tv which would get frequently haywire images,so that I was very good at fixing the picture when dad said so. I was learning then how to see things in B&W and interpret them to a color version in my mind that was somewhat but not totally 3D. I learned to see in B&W,while today's kids can't even conceive of tv as B&W ,and just laugh at the idea.WHUT,no KOLLER ? 1980's I was designing monsters for TV & Movies.Borg,Predator,Ferengi,Bajorans,Cardassians.....all my concepts and original drawings. I know what a monster looks like. I'm an artist who spent his teens in the art section of the school library,not reading,but looking at the pictures.I collected pics since age 11. I have garages full of them,yes garages PLURAL. You have never seen or met someone more obsessed with images.So I see what others miss because in my world they are casual observers.Has anyone EVER been bold enough to present dragon pics from Viking lander images? I want to meet them. If I hadn't already found them in the Spirit and Op images,I wouldn't know what to look for. How many million people glossed over those images and grumbled to themselves,what a bunch of rocks? And those people were mislead with info submitted as scientific and presented as factual precise accurate scientific proof that the Mars conditions were too brutal for much more than bacteria at best ,at least at Mars surface.Blind belief,reliance on false info,deception deliberate and manipulative with Gov't funds OH MY,it's a shame.
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