There is no civilisation on mars. Period.

I recently noticed that a lot of people were speculating about the existance of advanced civilisations on mars (some even on the moon) and I think this is complete BS.

Think about it, if there were an active advanced civilisation on mars/the moon, why haven't we picked up their radio signals yet? Surely they must have some method of communicaton and like on earth, where all radio and tv signals are also send into space, they would send theirs into space too and we would've picked them up by now.

Any thoughts?

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I'm not sure about others but i have never claimed that there are any advanced civilization on mars...

However there might have been civilizations on mars before there were intelligent life here on earth.

And saying that there never was any life at all on mars, could be wrong, or right.
But at this time we do not have any evidence about it.

God post

My thoughts are that even though you are against the idea, you still managed to make us all have to see another thread on the topic.

D'OH!

What really urkes me is - why would it be kept a secret?

Your thread title may be a true statement, but it leaves open the possibility that there was a civilization on Mars. And that is exactly what many of us hope is the case. Many of us would still be thrilled to have definite proof of microbial or bacterial or whateverial type of life.

Wait for it.

I agree with most thoughts here. While there might be life on Mars now (simple..plantlike..bacteria..maybe even from our own probes) it would be difficult to say what life was there before millions of years ago.

you should read Courtney Brown's books then.
He uses SRV and document's his findings on Mars, past and present data to support that Mars was thriving with life and now has moved underground.
Its interesting how you mentioned radio waves. This is exactly what he says that the U.S will do in the future. That we will start beaming radio waves and send messages to the moon and mars. he claims that the beings on mars will reply back.

all available in free pdf's
www.courtneybrown.com...

Originally posted by redshirt0202
I recently noticed that a lot of people were speculating about the existance of advanced civilisations on mars (some even on the moon) and I think this is complete BS.

Think about it, if there were an active advanced civilisation on mars/the moon, why haven't we picked up their radio signals yet? Surely they must have some method of communicaton and like on earth, where all radio and tv signals are also send into space, they would send theirs into space too and we would've picked them up by now.

Any thoughts?

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1. If they were really advanced they would have developed cloaking technology to stop a destructive species such as us finding them.

2. Why do you think they would have invented exactly the same technology as us (radio)? This is common human arrogance to think that we have found the only means of communicating.

3. They may also be existant but in a state so far beyond our comprehension that we cannot see or detect them. Ie they could be living as pure energy rather than pure matter, or be made up of dark matter.

It doesnt bode well to close off your mind like this. Why not rather rephrase and say that it is unlikely to be the case that any species exists on mars/ moon rather than calling it "BS". For thousands of years people said that the idea of a spherical earth rather than a flat earth was BS. How would you feel if some of these species were found and you were proved wrong. Open your mind buddy

there COULD have been..no ones saying there is now, at least not that I ever heard. But thanks for your definitive investigation on this matter!

Seriously though, after a billion years of weather erosion even on earth you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence of human society without a little digging. Mars is extremely ancient and was once VERY amenable to hosting life..

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Thank you for being the first person I have encountered to speculate on life on Mars coming from our probes.

I agree with most thoughts here. While there might be life on Mars now (simple..plantlike..bacteria..maybe even from our own probes) it would be difficult to say what life was there before millions of years ago.

Yeah, simple life might be possible. Has someone come up yet with an answer to those mars pics that seemed to show a forest? (those "things" in those pictures really looked like a forest to me)

He uses SRV and document's his findings on Mars, past and present data to support that Mars was thriving with life and now has moved underground.

Underground,huh? Well, they still need to communicate somehow. And they better have some sort of free energy device (or something like that), because burning coal or using nuclear energy underground can be a real problem.

The possibility exists for a past or even current subsurface civilization.

Exobiology does not preclude exotic forms of sentient anaerobic life.

Who's to say such entities would have any real need to broadcast their communications using the electromagnetic spectrum?

When it comes to Mars i dont think there IS intelligent civilized life on there, more as was that kinda life there, i think its long gone. In 2 million years ther may be some one on Saturn saying 'I wonder if there was/is any one on the hell planet called...what is its name again....o yes Earth'

Fox

saturn.jpl.nasa.gov...

" Scientists believe the geysers could provide evidence that liquid water is trapped under the icy crust of Enceladus. The geysers emanate from fractures running along the moon's south pole, spewing out water vapor at approximately 400 meters per second (800 mph). "


saturn.jpl.nasa.gov...

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Originally posted by enrage
That we will start beaming radio waves and send messages to the moon and mars. he claims that the beings on mars will reply back.

But we have been beaming radio waves and messages to the moon and Mars. Granted, they have been controlling signals to probes and satellites, but don't you think an advanced civilization that has "moved beyond radio" would recognize an unnatural signal?

And as for subteranean civilizations.....I think it would be next to impossible to hide thermal or other radiant indication of its existence.

Actually there are signs of civilization on Mars. Not very intelligent or advanced,but capable of very short (interplanetary) journeys in space. And with radio signals and stuff. These signs - Opportunity and Spirit.
Seriously speaking - probably there no alien civilization now on Mars. As noted before me, this does not claim that there was no such thing, and it does not prove that there is no life on Mars.

2. Why do you think they would have invented exactly the same technology as us (radio)? This is common human arrogance to think that we have found the only means of communicating.

Well, if they are advanced they should've atleast discovered radio waves and grasped the concept of them, and like any advanced civilisation would, they would've experimented with those radio waves in which case we would've picked up their signals.

I don't believe that a civilisation would go from 0 communication to some hyper-advanced form of communication over night without having atleast experimented with other ways of communication.

3. They may also be existant but in a state so far beyond our comprehension that we cannot see or detect them. Ie they could be living as pure energy rather than pure matter, or be made up of dark matter.

Possible...but probably wrong. Scientists can already "see" dark matter, they would've noticed (although I'm not an expert on this so I might, just might be wrong). Same goes for "energy".

I saw a very interesting documentary yesterday which also talked about how aliens might look like.
Now here comes the interesting part :

Assuming that the laws of physics are the same everywhere in the universe and life was to evolve on a planet similar to earth (e.g. mars) it would've evolved pretty similar to ours, meaning that you would never be confronted by an elephant-sized spider on a earth-like planet.

Don't believe me? Have a look yourself :

I don't know which part it was so I'm posting all three of them.

Part 1 : quicksilverscreen.com...

Part 2 : quicksilverscreen.com...

Part 3 : quicksilverscreen.com...

It doesnt bode well to close off your mind like this. Why not rather rephrase and say that it is unlikely to be the case that any species exists on mars/ moon rather than calling it "BS". For thousands of years people said that the idea of a spherical earth rather than a flat earth was BS. How would you feel if some of these species were found and you were proved wrong. Open your mind buddy

The difference between the people who thought that the earth is flat and us is, that we have knowledge. True, they thought the same, but we have scientific reasoning..something they did not have.

Last but not least, if the martians are dead now since a few million years or if they are indeed only made of pure energy, it would be stupid to look for geometric shapes on mars, wouldn't it? And that's what I was criticising in the first place.










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Originally posted by redshirt0202
Think about it, if there were an active advanced civilisation on mars/the moon, why haven't we picked up their radio signals yet?

I always enjoy how people say 'think about it' and then say such things

This isn't disproving anything.

'Think about it, if there are Aliens, why aren't they doing cartwheels on the whitehouse lawn?'

'Think about it, if there are extradimensional beings who exist in different electromagnetic ranges, why can't we see them with the naked eye?'


Think about it: If such thoughts could disprove ANYTHING then we wouldn't be discussing Alien coverups or UFO sightings... and unfortunately, life on Mars has been a topic since pre-history. It's not going away just because we haven't picked up radio waves of a specific frequency.

This isn't disproving anything.

It is deffinitally 100% disproving that those aliens did/do not use radio signals because we would've picked them up. 100%.

If martians were on mars right now, and would also use radio signals, or would atleast know about radio waves, they'd pick up every radio signal from earth too.

Originally posted by redshirt0202

This isn't disproving anything.

It is deffinitally 100% disproving that those aliens did/do not use radio signals because we would've picked them up. 100%.

If martians were on mars right now, and would also use radio signals, or would atleast know about radio waves, they'd pick up every radio signal from earth too.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They could use different methods to make the signals hard to detect. Also, maybe some people have detected signals, but are keeping quiet about it.