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My daughter forced to be "pro-lifer"

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posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 


Sure, why not?

Might teach them a few things for their intimate others one day.



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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You misunderstood what I posted.

I said that they should not be teaching our children their own moral ideas. But to ask them not to do that would be asking them to be robots.

I never said they were robots by conveying their beliefs anyone one pays any attention to any conversation knows that people do this all the time. It is really not human to not convey some belief to some who when communicating. To do so would make one a robot or they would be lying to say they do not do it. As I said we are here on a forum doing the same thing, but wee are agreeing to do it in a sociable way.

The teachers I am sure work hard on what they are doing. They may not even intentionally always teach their own belief but that really makes them human not robots.

No generalization going on in that post, unless you consider saying that people communicate their beliefs on a daily basis which is true.

Raist



posted on Mar, 14 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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I must say, that's a response I had not expected!


Eh, they can learn the same way I did. The internet!



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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if I'm getting this right and it's Canada, then blame your government for no separation of church and state.

But in all honesty, I don't get what the issue is. Being someone who went to Catholic school, I can say religious studies barely ever influences children. Most all people I know who went to my same school are today some of the meanest and most immoral people I know. Don't worry over petty issues like this too. Kids these days have the internet and often learn both sides of the story with or without that great tool. if your daughter felt otherwise, she'd let you know and also would maintains those beliefs. You cannot change someone's beliefs very easily. And I'll assume that this is the classic religion class that you just read and listen, never getting you to understand it.

Don't worry, basically.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
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Ah! I see. I wasnt aware it was this way in Canada. Hmm. Well, im pro-life, but I would hate to have my child do ANYTHING that is against my beliefs!!


I don't know where he lives, but I live in Ottawa, and theres a Catholic elementary school up the street, and a Catholic middle school in the other direction. Thats all there is for a far far distance, the rest are public schools.

EDIT: Theres a Muslim school too I think

[edit on 16-3-2008 by Damien_Hell]



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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I went to a French catholic school in Ontatio for all of elementary school and high school. We never touched on the subject of abortion in any of our religion classes but they did teach abstinence. The only time abortion was ever brought up in class was in grade 11 during a debate class, and boy was that a hot discussion.
I know at the school I went to there was a "You show, you go" policy. Meaning if you get pregnant, you are forced to leave the school once you started to show. And this was only 5 years ago and the policy is still in effect today. And is most likely in effect at the school your child is going to, or the high school she will be going to.
If children are being told to be pro-life by the school, the consequences of that could be expulsion if they do get pregnant.
It is a catholic school, and I totally understand the catholic system (even tough I was baptized and raised Presbyterian) but to tell children something that will come to bit them in 3 years is ridiculous.
Teach the children about abstinence, teach them about waiting until they're married, but don't teach them they have to stay pregnant regardless of circumstances.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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So pretty much you're angry because the school forced your daughter to be educated and assigned a project to save the lives of human beings that are murdered? Abortion is a sin period. Ok maybe if a teenage girl is raped or the mother's life is in danger than it's ok, but if you can't support the baby and you don't do anything to stop yourself becoming pregnant, than it's your own fault. But this isn't about abortion, it's about the school forcing your daughter to choose to be against it. So pretty much the Catholic School (Catholics are generally Pro-Life by the way) is teaching them to be Pro Life because that's the religion. They're not going to let them make pro-choice posters because that's against the religion. So yeah um they're just doing it the way Catholics are supposed to be, Pro-Life.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by psychedeliack
prolife to me seems like common sense, abortion is just a lazy avoidance of responsibility. what about adoption?


I hear "what about adoption" all the time in these discussions, but the truth is, if you are not white, if any human resulting from a pregnancy is not white, the liklihood of being adopted is very low. So at best you will commit that future life to institutions.

It is not an "avoidance of responsibility" necessarily, to choose abortion. I had one after I discovered I was pregnant and realized I had been x-rayed and on tetracycline while pregnant. I can't imaging the world is worse off by my choice of aborting whatever that would have created.

And, in fact, if you take population control into account, it becomes a responsible move to avoid adding unwanted humans to an already over-burdened world.

What I find...interesting, I suppose...is that the God of the Bible told the Hebrews when the soul enters the body, and that point is at first breath. That so many who claim to follow that God ignore what He gave them in this regard confuses me. Surely, any abortion would not be killing of a souled being. It would be more like killing a cow or a fish.

Be all that as it may, no one has the right to "cull the herd" of us overpopulated humans. Who would choose whom to get rid of? Surely the best solution is to remove unwanted fetuses before they take first breath.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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I have 3 cousins who were adopted by 3 different aunts from both sides of the family and they're not white. I know a ton of people who have adopted non-white babies from other parts of the world. Do you have the specific bible verse where God said that about the soul entering the body at the first breath? I'm sure if that were the case the Church would rely on that. Not everything in the Old Testament is to be taken literally, I mean yes there are things that are to be, but not everything. A human fetus still has the features and needs of any human, and in my opinion abortion of any kind is immoral and murder. I do respect others' opinions and I am not bashing. All I'm trying to say is, that it's a Catholic school and since the Catholic Church is officially against abortion, obviously the school is not going to teach both ends.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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I can very scientifically argue why abortion is wrong without even going into religion.

Very simply, the child is a new genetic string. it's an entity, separate from the mother. it's alive, its cells are carrying on life processes, and it's human through and through. You cannot argue much against that. very simply summarized, once the genetic code is there, you've got a human. no ifs ands or buts, it's a human genetic code, and therefor human in essence.



posted on Mar, 18 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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oh my god... not another one of these. When i was in school i hated the parents of students who would make a big deal about every little thing. "No the school has no right to show Saving Pvt. Ryan for American history, because my son is German and it offends him." NO IT DOESN'T! Kids couldn't care less, its the parents who force them into stuff like this. Bro, my advice to you is to ask yourself, "is making a Pro-Life poster going to permanently destroy my child and cause irreversible harm?" I doubt it. Whats even funnier is that its a Catholic school, what do you expect? Just make the stupid poster, turn it in, get a good grade and move on with your life.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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Here is the skinny on this. Doing the project is not going to hurt the child and the child can still believe whatever she desires. It is nothing more than a school class assignment.

I had a friend once who's mother asked him to be baptized and he did not want to do it. I informed him that if it would make his mother happy then what harm is it. I told him it does not change the way about how he feels and what he believes because he has the free will to believe whatever he desires. So he decided to do it. It made his mom happy and even today he still believes in his own belief.

You only believe what others want you to if you make the choice to do so. It is always our own responsibility as to what we do and believe. So long as what they are asking of you to do is not harming another. Of course, the daughter could choose not to have made the poster and that is fine as well. I do not think that one grade would sink her overall class grade standing.

I also agree, that if you have your child enrolled in a religious school that believes in such things, then you must expect it to be taugtht to her. You can either share your own values on those subjects to your child or then do not enroll her in such a school.




posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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Just one thing. How can you send your child to a Catholic school and get upset when they teach Christian values? Did you not know what a Catholic was before you sent your child there? It's not like you sent your child to a PUBLIC school. You sent your child to a private Catholic school. If you don't like it, remove your child. I removed my children from public schools because I didn't like what they were being tought. You sound like those people that try and put their daughter into the Boy Scouts. You know what it is and what they stand for. IMO you have no right to piss and moan about it.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
Just one thing. How can you send your child to a Catholic school and get upset when they teach Christian values? Did you not know what a Catholic was before you sent your child there? It's not like you sent your child to a PUBLIC school. You sent your child to a private Catholic school. If you don't like it, remove your child. I removed my children from public schools because I didn't like what they were being tought. You sound like those people that try and put their daughter into the Boy Scouts. You know what it is and what they stand for. IMO you have no right to piss and moan about it.


Just one thing. How can you call yourself a Christian? Christ taught love. You appear to be filled with hate.

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posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Just one thing. How can you call yourself a Christian? Christ taught love. You appear to be filled with hate


Dude, back off. Everytime I post on any thread you come on with some freakin hate comment. I don't hate anyone here. So drop that crap. Leave me alone. I haven't posted anything on this thread remotely resembling hate. I said if she doesn't want her kid to be tought Christian values then don't put your kid in a Christian school. Several posts before me said the same thing. I'm serious, back off of the attacks on me.



posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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OK, as GWB said, read my lips.

Stop discussing each other and discuss the topic.

I hope everyone has the reading comprehension skills to see where I'm going with this.



posted on Mar, 22 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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I see no problem


She's only been asked to make a poster, its just an educational activity that teaches them more about pro-life...not really influencing them to take a pro-life stance.

Its making learning about pro-life fun instead of just lecturing on it.

And the part about parents influencing children instead of schools I feel is wrong because noone should be actively influencing them, they should be allowed to form their own oppinion and views based on the information given to them, regardless of their parent's or school' view.



posted on Mar, 22 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by owzitgarn
I see no problem


She's only been asked to make a poster, its just an educational activity that teaches them more about pro-life...not really influencing them to take a pro-life stance.


I very much doubt this 'educational activity' would include the real life facts and complexities of abortion. Are they teaching her [responsibily] about how unwanted pregnancies happen in the first place? contraception? rape? being deserted by the father? poverty and single motherhood? doubt it.. yet they're putting the parents in the position of having to discuss these issues before they might be ready.

[edit on 22-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 22 2008 @ 02:12 PM
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the thread isn't about the standard to which the topic is taught, it is about the OP saying this particular activity is FORCING her child to have a particular view.

I don't see how making a poster can permanently influence a childs way of thinking, nevermind FORCE an oppinion into somebody.

Whenever we made posters in school we never took any notice of what was going on them, we were more interested in colouring in and never learned anything from it.

If there is any problem with the activity it is the lack of educational value it has.



[edit on 22-3-2008 by owzitgarn]



posted on Mar, 22 2008 @ 02:19 PM
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Society will try to influence kids any way they see fit but it is up to the parents to bring them up with morally strong convictions so that when they are faced with situations as these, they are not so easily influenced.
You can't watch them 24-7.



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