US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

reply to post by LoneGunMan


A child can kill you just as easily as an adult. Nobody wants to be put in that position, where they have to engage a child, but when you're talking about multiple lives at risk, and those folks are counting on you, your attitude would result in more death. That's not particularly chivalrous.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Eleven pages of posts. When the Insurgents blow up children and innocent civilians there are no posts.

Neither the author of the article or anyone posting here has enough information to judge this incident one way or the other. How this sort of thread has any real value I can't see. It makes great fodder for propoganda for the Terrorists is all I can see. It reminds me of the Salem Witch hunts and the old Lynching Parties. Same mentality.

Walk a mile in one of those Soldiers boots before you judge them. I know I'm not qualified; are any of you?

I do not want to judge any US soldier or Iraq person for that matter.
I do blame the corrupt US goverment.

It is all around the news all the time the the Iraq resistance blows up people, and i dare say that most people who posted here dislike this fact to.

And today i am not putting myself in these soldiers boots but in the boots of a father of a daughter, that got killed for nothing.

I dont think it is justifiable to kill any 10 year old girl in a preemptive invasion.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Well guess what? He didn’t want to change and so we removed him, are you suggesting there is a statue of limitations that prevented us from removing him?

The UN mandate from the 1991 Gulf War was the removal of Iraq forces from Kuwait and the restoration of the Kuwaiti government.

There was no mandate to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

Resolution 1441 was also not a mandate to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

The US led forces that toppled Saddam Hussein were acting without any authority from the UN Security Council, which is the ONLY body authorised under international law to be able to sanction such an invasion.

Theres no need for a "statute of limitations to prevent Saddam Husseins removal", because there was never legal authority to do it in the first place.

Here's a source of the story in case people don't want to wade thru all the pages to find one:

www.usatoday.com...


Sounds like the US troops did fire a warning shot and they accidently killed the little girl.

They called in evac but she died.

Now, if the US Soldiers were the horrible Nazi monsters that a lot of people here think, they'd have just shot her mom, too, and buried them in the sand.

But they didn't. They stopped their convoy and tried to help her. And I bet that the guy the shooting is heartbroken.

reply to post by jerico65


I didnt see anything to suggest there were not 500 other people that saw it . I believe your assuming it was just her and the girl . Good try tho .

By the time they chose to "be the good guys" it was a bit too late.

[edit on 13-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

Originally posted by BlueRaja
That's not particularly chivalrous.

It is the ultimate Chivalry. You are men that decided to engage an innocent country in battle. If you signed after 03 you made that choice.

You as adult men put yourselves in harms way.

That child did not. This is why they are called children not adults.

Be a better soldier than that.


Next is a true story.

There is a house fire. In the picture window there are two children. You are making eye contact and can hear them screaming. The windows are bowing in and out and the house is ready for a flashover/backdraft. You break that glass with your ax and it more than likely cause the house to explode. You will put you and your squad in danger.

Do you walk away and let them die?

Or do you grab yourself by your balls and take the hit and save the children?

Its called Chivalry.

reply to post by pepsi78


Wars throughout history have been waged for conquest and plunder.... the working class who fight all the battles, the working class who make the supreme sacrifices, the working class who freely shed their blood and furnish their corpses, have never yet had a voice in either declaring war or making peace. It is the ruling class that invariably does both. They alone declare war and they alone make peace....They are continually talking about their patriotic duty. It is not their but your patriotic duty that they are concerned about. There is a decided difference. Their patriotic duty never takes them to the firing line or chucks them into the trenches.
-Eugene Debs

We do have an all volunteer military. The military offers a lot to a kid raised on the street. I happen to know several upstanding men who are now enjoying well paying careers from the trades they learned while in the service. A great opportunity for a kid with nothing to loose but his life.

Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
reply to post by Mr. Ree

 

I had my prescription meds in the wrong bottle.. Awesome to jump to conclusions . Shows your true colors .

Its people like you that are doing these killings . You assume WAYYYY too much . Without ANY evidence . .

[edit on 13-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

I suppose you're right, and I apologize. I should stop killing people. People who do assume WAYYYY too much probably act in haste and just go around killing everyone.

I "assumed" you were a "criminal" because you admitted to "serving time" for "possession" (i.e "criminal"), which means you either had an "illegal" drug on you, stolen property, a weapon, or other some such "illegal" item.

As it turns out, you actually either served 15 days probation, or 15 days in confinement because you have a hard time keeping tabs on your prescription medication.

Backtracking, exaggeration, and projection are not very good attributes to hold fast to, btw.

Yes, how romantic. Quote a historic war-time commander and try to compare it to the death of a 10 year old child.

Yeah, we sure made that 'bastard' die for her country didn't we. That'll teach her to hide in fear from gunfire while her mother signals for help.

Disgusting the way you people stir in your romantic notions of war in a topic like this. Please, come back to reality with the rest of us.

It's not "we" made that bastard die. It's you. On the front lines. You. Either you make that bastard die, or you die. I suppose you'd just die, right? Good will toward men, and all of that?

What reality? You're skewed reality that every military in the world has only ever had a purely defensive posture?

Do you want a world without military forces killing each other and innocent 10 year old girls?

No? Nobody wants it. That's exactly what the "NWO" and United States wants to stop. We are working to crush all rebel resistance and fanatic groups before we create a more powerful UN peacekeeping force from coallition forces who have the power to legally stop perpetual uprisings like there are in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have to institute our democratic governments and write constitutions for other countries (as we have been doing) to enable a smooth transition to a military and nuclear free world.

The world has no room for these wannabe religion driven micro governments to be popping up all over the place. It's a price we must pay. The idea of every man and every country for himself is over. We aspire for global cooperation and centralization. We can not have it by consent, so we will take it by conquest. You know this to be true. You are merely scared of it. Scared of progression.

The guys that would rather take a bullet than kill a child?

In this case, it was the 10 (or so) guys who would be blown up, along with half of their convoy, leaving behind children, wives, and parents, along weapons/ammo for any possible insurgents in the area.

or... a warning shot that accidently killed a 10 year old leaving behind maybe a couple of people mourning.

It's similar to the thought experiment: Would you push someone in front of a moving train if it would save 15 people?

No, I think most bleeding hearts in this thread would probably just stand there, freezon and terrified. Completely hesitant and indecisive. You'd watch as the train killed 15 people because you didn't have the courage to take a life to save 15 others.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree



Backtracking, exaggeration, and projection are not very good attributes to hold fast to, btw.

Its called clarification . Its what we have to do when people jump to conclusions. My point was being made to another poster about there atempt to enlist me . Just to get a petty charge dropped .

Justification of murder/manslaughter is not a very good attribute to hold dear.

Originally posted by neformore
Resolution 1441 was also not a mandate to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

We can debate all day on whether Resolution 668 "restore international peace and security in the area" was enough to justify the removal after over ten years, but we both know the countries that would not vote directly for force with 1441 were the same countries profiting from under the table dealings with Iraq.

I have also have not seen the actions to removed Saddam trialed in international court with UN sanctions against the US and until something like that happens it is hard to suggest the legality of it all even if it was justified.

First off it is terrible that this happened. However, if you have not been there(I have) or in any war then you shouldn't jump to conclusions about actions/decisions made by Soldiers in war. We are there for over a year at a time. Many Soldiers having been there for that long multiple times. Those who have never experienced it have no possible understanding of the type of stress and pressure that Soldiers are under or the difficult decisions that have to be made at times. Unfortunately, like everywhere else on the planet, not every service member is perfect. So, inevitably, bad things will happen. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. That Soldier is more than likely never going to get over what has happened. I have friends that will never get over defending themselves against well armed insurgents who were shooting at them.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
You know nothing of war. Statements like this are not only transparent but disgusting.

Really? I'm sure you are well-versed in war, but sadly World War II video games and movies about the Vietnam War don't qualify as legitimate war experience.

Originally posted by Equinox99
I am an Iraqi and I used to live there. It was actually a nice place to live once. Now it is worse then LA.

Just a little, huh? This is a horrible story and I feel deeply anytime a child is hurt, but that statement made me laugh. To think that LA is so bad that Iraq has only recently surpassed it in violence and death is a morbidly funny thought.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
We are the invaders!! We attacked them! Are you kidding?

Yes to a point. The war been over for five years. We have been just trying to get them to stand on their own two feet so we can leave, and they would rather fight each other and the US than to come together in forming a better world for themselves.

We were invaders to remove Saddam who for 10 years ignored all UN resolutions and while many countries bypassed the UN sanctions making them totally useless. I would not say it was unjustified…maybe stupid…but not unjustified.

"You" are still the enemy because "you" are still invading.

The war. that the US started is NOT over.
Man this propaganda must be strong where you are from

That made me laugh out loud, too! I mean, LA isn't exactly the nicest city on the planet, but it's not a Middle Eastern war zone.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by intrepid
2- Don't you think that it's kinda unmanly, make that unmilitary to off a child on a "maybe?" Lets face it, the military is a dangerous job, if you can't handle that fact you shouldn't serving.

Don't you think it's kinda "unmanly or unmilitary" for the insurgents to be using women and children as shields and to do their jobs?

Dont you think that if you kill their children, that they not want to kill your children.

It is wrong to kill children, for the US to.

To torture them to i think.

In your logic you should do evil when you see evil ?!

I was under the impression that the individual right to live was quite high up in the american standard, is it degrading or was it always this bad ?

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We aren't forcing the insurgents to use women and children in their battles. They are. They are the ones to put them into harms way, not the US.

They know that the deaths of women and children will get the public up in arms over what's happening over there more than if it were just combat between US troops and insurgents.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Well guess what? He didn’t want to change and so we removed him, are you suggesting there is a statue of limitations that prevented us from removing him?

So now the removal of saddam is why the US started this war.
And there by killing 100.000's of Iraq's people was, how do you call it,
collateral damage.

Is this still your view on why the killing of this girl was justified ?
Cause it is getting thinner by the page.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The US makes mistakes, as does everyone. We don't do things intentionally such as this.

Originally posted by jerico65
reply to post by jaamaan

 

We aren't forcing the insurgents to use women and children in their battles. They are. They are the ones to put them into harms way, not the US.

They know that the deaths of women and children will get the public up in arms over what's happening over there more than if it were just combat between US troops and insurgents.

Could you show me of an example where the resistance of Iraq used children as shields.

Surely not in the case of the 10year old girl.