US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

I have a great idea, since the actual article is so light on details that its pathetic..

you'r ein a war zone, you know this

how about NOT making any kind of threatening moves to teh masses of armed people, and you won't be mistaken for making a hostile move by people that are paranoid for their life due to being in .. oh i don't know.. a war perhaps?

With the stories and examples of the fighting tactics you hear of from 'over there', pretty much anyone not in a uniform like yours is suspect, and an ambush can be anywhere, maybe thats why they're classed as a surprise attack.

think with your head fo a change and walk a mile in another persons shoes before your bleeding heart takes over again.

unfortunate and tragic, yes, necessary? sometimes, yes. close enough to give benefit of the doubt? you'd likely be a fool not to.

reply to post by CoffinFeeder


Whats a threatening move?

Did this puppy make a threatening move?

Puppy Makes threatening move...possible insurgent

Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Oh my god, i can't believe someone could say it in a country supposedly "innocent-untill-proven" law system, guess human rights do not count for people outside your country

That's what I'm seeing too. Alot of BS explanatory nonsense for the killing of a 10 year old.

'She looked suspicious' - SHE was hidden. Her MOTHER was signalling for help.

'Oh well, mistakes happen in war.' - Yeah who cares, it wasn't YOUR daughter.

'If the mother and daughter had just reported all the local terrorists, we wouldn't have to be in there ... shooting warning shots... into walls and... little children.'

enough is enough I am seeing some serious moral and ethical perversion being displayed in this thread. If I were a moderator I would have locked it by now... this nonsense makes ATS look bad.

I can't imagine how the marine that shot her felt after this. And I can't begin to understand because I'm not fighting a war. But I know one thing for certain. If we didn't start this war that girl might still be alive.

I don't think it matters if she was signaling or not. She wouldn't be put in that situation if she lived in the US.

In war, nobody dies for a good cause. Just because they live across the ocean doesn't mean we're better than them. They didn't choose to be born there, but they make the best out of life, and they deserve to live in peace just like us.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

enough is enough I am seeing some serious moral and ethical perversion being displayed in this thread. If I were a moderator I would have locked it by now... this nonsense makes ATS look bad.

Me too. It's coming from you, mostly.

'She looked suspicious' - SHE was hidden. Her MOTHER was signalling for help.

Some people I know would have shot her mother. Lucky for the mother, the particular soldiers in this case did not shoot the mother - all they did was fire a warning shot that happened to kill a 10 year old child who they didn't see and who was in the wrong place or the wrong time (or else she was already shot). It really doesn't matter. What really matters is that they tried to save her life - but you don't respect that.

'Oh well, mistakes happen in war.' - Yeah who cares, it wasn't YOUR daughter.

It's always someone's daugther, someones's brother, someone's father, and someone's mother. In the end, you are right. Who cares? Really? Who? The people that love them do. Others feel that it was an unfortunate death and leave it at that. Still, others, such as yourself, try to beat a dead horse over and over again in your futile attempt to get people to agree with you.

Perhaps your problem is that you are still scared of death?

Are you scared to die?

I know I certainly don't have time to go around feeling sorry for the 130 people who die every minute world wide, probably under much more brutal, painful, and slow circumstances.

Originally posted by goatboy

LOL

What a pathetic attempt ......
Nevermind
reading tis thread tells me enough ...

As i thought with all the Adverts on ATS ......i was already a bit suspicious but 2 week on here is enough to prove my point ...

Commercial site Made to generate money MONEY nothing else
...You can t see it ..your here for years ...I feel for you But the majority on here are indeed brainless masses trying to find reasoning in chaos
Well ,,you wont find it here ..
Here you are allowed to HOORRRAAYYY the great US army and the marines killing inocents in an illegal Oil Nazi war

What part of my post was really againt he Terms on ATS ..
I wonder ..

Well Mr moderator leaves the most aggresive BS HOORAYY US ARMY post standing but once someone opens the brain and actually speaks sense you delete it ..not just moderate it you delete it ..
Very very poor !


The TRUTH does hurt I know .....

But maybee i better step in line
YEAAAAAAAHHAAA lets kill some Arabs we are the yanks we rule ...kick ass ..
the 4th reich in full flow





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Originally posted by palehorse23

US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

I would clearly say this is another blatant Human Rights violation I really wonder why United States gives lectures to other countries on Human Rights, very weird and strange Now, many would disagree with this line

Originally posted by Sukhoi50

Originally posted by palehorse23

US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

I would clearly say this is another blatant Human Rights violation

I really wonder why United States gives lectures to other countries on Human Rights, very weird and strange

Now, many would disagree with this line

I would be one of those to disagree. No one can clearly say it was or was not unless they were actually there. If you've never been in war, it's impossible to understand what one goes through. It's not as black and white as some would like to believe.

Originally posted by Freqzer0
I would be one of those to disagree. No one can clearly say it was or was not unless they were actually there. If you've never been in war, it's impossible to understand what one goes through. It's not as black and white as some would like to believe.

Sure thing. Point is nothing to do with Black and White, it's all about lecturing other countries by ignoring it's own backyard. Remember Katrina? Many times it has been proved that United States too a good Human Rights violator You can check those CNN or BBC tapes to learn more. Nopes, am not flaming anyone here or am from Middle East! So, why to lecture others, be it Russia India China or whoever

As far as Katrina is concerned, it did take way too long for FEMA to supply aid to the victims. No one ever expected anything on that scale. We just weren't prepared. However, when they did respond, people came together from all over to help. Including the US military's assistance in evacuating victims to safety. But, I can't speak on behalf of those that lecture others about human rights to other countries. Speaking form my personal experience as a Soldier and on behalf of those I've had the pleasure of serving with I, nor they, would purposely do anything to violate human rights.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

There is a house fire. In the picture window there are two children. You are making eye contact and can hear them screaming. The windows are bowing in and out and the house is ready for a flashover/backdraft. You break that glass with your ax and it more than likely cause the house to explode. You will put you and your squad in danger.

Do you walk away and let them die?

Or do you grab yourself by your balls and take the hit and save the children?

Its called Chivalry.

That's a very bad analogy to what my point was. Of course we'd do whatever we could to try to save those kids. Taking care of your soldiers, and looking out for your buddies is a far cry from what you're insinuating, which is that such actions are cowardly. If you'd spend as much time looking for positive stories, as you do trying to point fingers, you could easily find stories of American soldiers risking their lives to save Iraqi civilians, so spare us the sanctimony.

Originally posted by jaamaan

Dont you think that if you kill their children, that they not want to kill your children.

It is wrong to kill children, for the US to.

To torture them to i think.

In your logic you should do evil when you see evil ?!

I was under the impression that the individual right to live was quite high up in the american standard, is it degrading or was it always this bad ?

Do you honestly believe that insurgents only would want to kill us or our children, because we killed theirs, and that they'd otherwise be peace loving, well adjusted individuals? Do you completely ignore all of their attrocities, which include the vast majority of Iraqi civilian fatalities?

Originally posted by jaamaan
So now the removal of saddam is why the US started this war.
And there by killing 100.000's of Iraq's people was, how do you call it,
collateral damage.

Why do you insist on throwing completely ludicrous statistics around to try to strengthen your arguments? The US has not killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. The most accurate figures of the death toll in Iraq put the total numbers between the 80k range(on the low end) to between 150-200k(on the high end). These figures include combatants and non combatants. Of the non-combatants, at least 90 percent of them have been killed as a result of insurgent/terrorist activity.

Originally posted by jaamaan
reply to post by Freqzer0

 

I can not find any conclusive evidence, in all the links you posted, that these where cases of human shields.

Could be all propaganda stories to fit the video's

Unlike the links and videos you post or believe to be true right?

Originally posted by jaamaan
reply to post by jerico65

 

I cannot believe this from a militairy source that kills 10 year old children.
This could easely be complete made up.
And my best guess is that it is.

Way to stereotype and deny ignorance eh? You seem perfectly willing to believe accounts from the other side that has killed far more children, women, men, than any US forces have.

reply to post by Holygamer


Actually a lot of Iraqis snitch on insurgents around them because they aren't the folk heros you seem to believe them to be. That provide very useful and actionable intel, which has resulted in the apprehension of many insurgents, and destruction of weapons caches.

reply to post by poet1b


It's not the Iraqis that lost the war though, as the war was never with the "Iraqis." The rank and file Iraqi is not at war with us, nor is their government or military. It's an insurgency made of a wide variety of groups(some from Iraq, some who've come from elsewhere) with different goals, but one united cause- fight the US. They don't represent the people or the nation of Iraq, and they don't necessarily like each other that much(i.e. sectarian violence, Al Qaeda v. Iraqis, etc..).

Originally posted by IchiNiSan

Oh my god, i can't believe someone could say it in a country supposedly "innocent-untill-proven" law system, guess human rights do not count for people outside your country

How about this analogy to help you understand the situation better. Let's say you and your family at home, and an intruder breaks into your house in the middle of the night. Do you wait to find out what they're up to before defending yourself and your family, or are they innocent until proven guilty? The proof of which you speak might just be an ambush that kills an number of your men, or yourself.l

[edit on 14-3-2008 by BlueRaja]

Originally posted by Sukhoi50

Originally posted by palehorse23

US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

I would clearly say this is another blatant Human Rights violation

I really wonder why United States gives lectures to other countries on Human Rights, very weird and strange

Now, many would disagree with this line

How is this "another" blatant Human Rights violation? Does context have any bearing here?

Blue... you seriously need to stop swamping threads.

Posting that many times in a row is against site regulations... it's a form of bull-dozing that is not appreciated.