There are no Aliens visiting this Earth

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
You don't have an alien to show us? That's ok. We've got 400+ military and government officials, mountains of amateur and professional UFO footage, thousands of investigated reports, and the mathematical certainty that intelligent life exists within our own galaxy.

But I'll just listen to this guy... because he doesn't have an alien to show us.

Based on that, chupacabras and bigfoot are also exist. Yeah, ghosts too and everything else we discuss on this site.

Originally posted by jasonrocksteady
pitures of aliens ok there was one pressed into the crops in england a few years ago and top footage from the kgb files of a crashed disk and occupant.theres a list of what the presidents of the us and russia+the astronauts have said at the bible ufo connection.stop watching that garbage at get back at me with why you know more than these folks.

I've seen the pictures, watched the documentaries. I can assure you that everything worth watching (UFO on google video & youtube) was seen by these eyes. I've read numerous alien threads and I'm frustrated that even with all these info, we're still standing at the square one. We're talking about myth.

Am I being harsh? Maybe. Am I jumping to conclusions leaving no room for presumptions? Maybe. But you know what? I listened and read stuff for too long to be entitled to say "Hey, whatta heck are we doing here?! Show me the effing evidence right now or shut up!".

I'm not gonna comment the rest of your post. I would like this thread to stay alive.

Originally posted by Mark Roazhar

I've never been to Texas. All the photographs could be faked
If you live in Texas, or think you do, leave now as the state will fail to exist

Just because of the failure of evidence, doesnt take away belief.

You don't believe that Texas exists? Ok. I'm gonna ask someone who lives in Texas to pick you up at the airport and drive you there.

I don't think you can compare Texas, which is an existing US state for a fact, with an almost abstract theory of aliens visiting our planet, taking people, interacting with them, making embrios etc.

This is just plain reaching and you don't do your camp a favour by throwing arguments like these into the mixture.

9-11 wasnt a terrorist attack
since i dont have a photo of a terrorist flying the plane
take a picture of a terrorist flying a jetliner and email it to me

God doesn't exist
I dont have a photo of god
Same could be said for spies, conspiracies, ghosts, NDE, life after death paranormal stuff....you get the point

this site has a motto: deny ignorance. Search for your own truth. If you did some research you'd find compelling evidence that there are aliens on this planet.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by TheOracle]

[edit on 10-3-2008 by TheOracle]

Originally posted by kindred

Are you so insecure that you have to start such a ridiculous thread.

This silly thread has earned quite an attention. Either we're all silly for taking part in this silly discussion, or there is more to it?

According to Zen Buddhism, you don't exist. Your nothing more than an illusion. Prove your existence.........? Don't bother with photographs or video, they can easily be photoshopped or hoaxed.

I do exist. I have a first and last name and corporial ie. physical form which can be confirmed by my friends and relatives. Even after I die, I will have my bones burried in the ground as a proof I once was.

Sorry to burst your reality bubble, but the universe does not revolve around you..........

Why? Because I demand a proof? For throwing a challenge to all the believers, that makes me look like wanting for the world to revolve around me? I don't think so. This is a forum thread meant to discuss things, not neccessarily to draw attention just for sake of it.

I apologise for the sarcasm, but you deserved it. Some people seriously need to think before they speak.

I suggest you do some research on the subject before posting such a silly thread.

I did lots of research. But then again, life itself is one big research, we research untill we die and I didn't want to wait that long before deciding to post a thread like this.

Thanks for your insights though.

I wouldn't say that i believe that aliens exist, i also wouldn't say that they don't.

I look at it like this:

For someone to be convicted of a crime they have to be proved guilty.

This doesn't always have to be true. just has to be proved "beyond reasonable doubt".

For example

Mr A killed Mrs B. (Fact) (but no witnesses saw him at all)

Mr B was seen leaving the house at around the same time. he was convicted because there were witnesses that saw him leave. and he had a motive because his wife (Mrs B was having an affair with Mr A)

brief outline but you catch my drift.

Now take the case of do aliens exist to court with 400+ witnesses and you would probably get a "yes they do" from a jury

So to answer the question of are aliens visiting earth.

Yes



One final thought - If a tree falls over in a forrest but no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

reply to post by TheOracle


Well, if you have done all this research and have found aliens exist, could you please be so kind to show us some links?

Thanks.

I would love to "hold the press," to get them all the earth shattering information you have on the existance of aliens.

Your statement is logical Bredfan. That is one reason for the outlandish statements like "idiotic posts". Obviously, the poster who made the statement believes that they are smarter and therefore, better than you.
If you ask me and no one has, to me just plain blind faith that we are being visited by Alien controlled craft is idiotic. And that same poster puts vid of some objects that are in orbit is ilogical at best. For all I know, the vids objects could be a sprocket or some other mundane item from all the crap we've fired up there over the decades and decades lol. Heck we don't even know what all is on our home planet from the lands seas and oceans and lakes. I wish we spent even half of NASA's budget around the globe exploring.
I will add this one tidbit however. If aliens are here or have ever been, they don't seem to be bothering me at all and therefore, I really don't care past finding it interesting. What bothers me is that $3.25 a gallon gas I just put in the tank this morning

Bred,
I just wanted you to know that when the aurgument turns uncivilised, it is more times than not because the aurgument has no merit.
Have a good day and great topic.

reply to post by vance


Thank you Vance!

Would ya mind countering my points Breadfan? Your addressing the easy and obvious... I'd just like to see what you have to say in opposition to my arguments -- which I don't think has been brought up yet.

Around half way of page 5 incase you missed it.

Oh my goodness lol!

One more thing, to the poster of the "Alien Interview". What does that DNI in the time line of that vid stand for, has anyone ever stated?

Thanks!

so you'd prefer not to comment on my specific examples i conclude you know little and would rather watch south park,i recieved no warning for my previous post so breadman why has the cat got your tounge?i was like you 16yr ago not much info im willing to direct you to greeener pastures my friend ive mates whom are croat and albanian so peace

I missed your post Navieko, would be more then happy to reply to you:

Originally posted by Navieko

But hey -- smart guy, answer me this. Is there any evidence pointing towards the reality that the powers that be, are trying to prevent us from knowing about or seeing an elephant or tiger?

I don't think there's an evidence for something like that.

And is it not a fact that there are some species of animals that are rarely seen for whatever reason, and there are some that are commonly seen?

Ok.

Because you know, as pointed out -- there is indeed massive amounts of evidence that points to the possibility that there is a large amount of effort in keeping extraterrestrial life, here on Earth, under wraps.
And I'm quite sure there are many possible reasons to expect that 'aliens' might not want to be seen or known about, atleast by the masses. Fortunately for them, since they'd most likely be much more advanced -- I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem for them.

As long as there is evidence that points toward a coverup, your argument is completely baseless -- and such analogies in which aliens are compared to native animals or whatnot, are just plain silly.

I couldn't care less about the so called "massive ammounts of evidence that the goverement is hiding from us", being a reason why I have never seen an alien in my entire life so far.

Your arguments are quite convenient and you base your belief in aliens visiting our planet on two presumptions (very convenient presumptions!):

1) The goverement is covering up aliens visiting our world and therefore we're not allowed to learn more
2) Aliens don't want us to see them and therefore, we can't.

That's like saying, Santa Claus that flies around with his deers exists but goverement is keeping the evidence hidden and Santa doesn't want to be seen. He's a private person.

There is no reason to suspect that convincing photographic or physical evidence must exist, and be public, in order for there to be a strong possibility of aliens visiting Earth.

Heh..but that's what mos people want and expect in order to trully beleive.
Possibility is no longer enough for me.

On the other hand, there is evidence to suggest that it would be unlikely for there to exist any convincing photographs or physical proof, atleast in the public, suggesting that aliens do indeed visit the Earth.

Whatever man. Suggestions, presumptions, possibilities..not gonna cut it for me anymore.

There are no aliens visiting earth... hmmmm

there's no answer to the question have or are aliens visiting the earth because we don't know, those that say they've met aliens most of the time cant show any physical evidence and those that can either get told there evidence is fake, believed because the person wants to believe that aliens are visiting the earth or a small minority of people have a open enough mind to say yes maybe, i am one of those people that has an open enough mind to say maybe dependant on the proof they show some show believable proof and others show proof you could pick to pieces BUT i wont believe that person 100% until i actually do meet another life from another planet myself, Now there as to be other life outside our own solar systems because to say there isn't is out right ignorant and now astronomers are finding earth like planets, so to say there isn't any aliens visiting this planet because there 's no proof is a little narrow minded, just because there's no proof doesn't mean aliens haven't visited in the past or today at the end of the day maybe there's no proof because they didn't leave any. we just don't know but because we don't doesn't mean they haven't.


just like the philosophical question, If a woman yells at a man and no one hears, is he still wrong?

it can stand for department of naval intelligence.breadfan the reason why theres few pitures is that the aliens dont want you to have them nor does blackops nor does the government of many nor does big business/the media.croatia would get little ufo press because of national strife here in australia we seem just as far form the action=1 local ufo report from our 3local news services a year

Originally posted by jasonrocksteady
so you'd prefer not to comment on my specific examples i conclude you know little and would rather watch south park,i recieved no warning for my previous post so breadman why has the cat got your tounge?

I hereby publicaly admit that I'm intelectually incapable of challenging your arguments and would like to ask you to allow me to gracefuly retreat from our discussions and continue focusing my efforts with people that are more closer to my level of understanding.

Thank you in advance.

This is funny how touchy people get about aliens. But how many people can say 100% yes they have seen one? I am not saying they don’t exist, I just don’t believe they have visited earth. I have to agree with Breadfan, keep fighting the good fight.

Originally posted by Breadfan
I couldn't care less about the so called "massive ammounts of evidence that the goverement is hiding from us", being a reason why I have never seen an alien in my entire life so far.

Your arguments are quite convenient and you base your belief in aliens visiting our planet on two presumptions (very convenient presumptions!):

I see. So you "couldn't care less about the so called massive amounts of evidence". Very enlightening.

Following this mindset, it just so happens that your arguments are also 'convenient' -- very convenient!

Originally posted by Navieko
I see. So you "couldn't care less about the so called massive amounts of evidence". Very enlightening.

Following this mindset, it just so happens that your arguments are also 'convenient' -- very convenient!

Dude, I don't think there's anything convenient with me wanting to see an alien in flesh and refusing to bow down to the conspiracy theories. Forget about the cover up myths. If aliens were here, noone could stop them to show up. Period. And simple as that.

"it can stand for department of naval intelligence"

What in the heck is the "Department of Naval Intelligence"?