The End of The United States: The Bush Administration Plan

Originally posted by hidatsa
Excuse my ignorance of American politics, please, but is it a foregone conclusion that the next presidency will be a Democratic one? Will that mean a Republican congress or senate or something? Isn't that the check-and-balance American Way?

Elections here are not democratic as much as people would love to believe. Presidency it's not determined by the people, but by the electoral college, which is the biggest sham, it doesn't really reflect the people's votes. As for the checks and balances, we can see how well that worked while Bush was in office considering he actually had the senate and the jury on the republican side... you're also assuming that the politicians in power are actunally uncorruptable and have the interest of the people at heart Sorry, but that's just too naive of you. Every rational american knows politicians have been bought out by corporations long ago and checks and balances hardly (if ever) apply.

The One World Government has been anticipated for generations, since Queen Victoria (who very nearly achieved it) in fact, or possibly Elizabeth I, but surely the population has become far too large and unweildy for anyone actually to desire such a thing?

Economic unity would seem impossible. Where would be the point? Isn't it the disparaty of costs and values around the world that encourages profiteering and exploitation? Isn't it this and gun trade that makes the fat cats fatter?

You're assuming that all the NWO is looking for is just money, which is not the case. They have all the money they could ever have or need. They want power, absolute power.

Any moral, ethical, social, religious and legal unification of could only happen through subjugation and internment of the type going on now, unsuccessfully, in the middle east and fairly recently and equally unsuccessfully in Northern Ireland. This provides short-term, quick and huge profits for the arms trade. There would be no long-term financial gain in successfully unifying the world in this way, but would the political gain be sufficient to warrant an attempt at achieving it?

If the primary political motivation is positive - ie, for the benefit of all mankind - then a world government is not to be feared. If aliens land next week, they might just be of a type that would look favourably on our developed civilisation, were this the case.

Again, you're under the assumption that all they want is just money and they actually have the interests of the people at heart. Which is not the case.

Unifying the world under one govt. eradicating any sort of identity and culture one may have, for the sake of economical and gaining power is ludicrous. For one, even if there was someone who wasn't as greedy and shady as the people we have in power right now, ruling under such a govt. that term would be short lived, only to be replaced by someone with darker motives.

If the political motivation is in actuality a covert financial motivation, the aliens had better just stay away - their planet could be next.

Indeed.

Look on the back of a dollar bill under the triangle ... novus ordo seclorum ... new secular order. How long has this lil conspiracy been going on? Why would anyone want a one world government? This New World Order will be ruled by the beast ... one reason I keep an eye on the mideast ... see who tries to get Israel to sign a 7-year peace treaty. Got any ideas?

What is not known by most Americans and the rest of the world who are not directly involved or a part of 'the secret society' is becoming more and more obvious especially in the United States. During the ongoing electoral debates and other comments and jokes about the situation concerning Obama - Clinton campaign, this same concept was mentioned, and I had already thought the same thing--that it means something bad is already formulated and is a subterfuge with plenty of cake frosting and sugar coated beyond normal comprehension.

Because of the danger involved it is better not to speak or write about the real criminals who are causing and behind it all. However one must look at the circumstances and obvious reasons that have become evident in this present day and combined with technological advances.

Therefore it is 'suggested' to look at the clues and make a current semi-conclusive understudy or in short your own best guess until the truth is revealed and commonly known, which already is by a lot of selected people, and they too are being manipulated.

First of all if a country was being overtaken in a secret conspiracy and was already being plundered and ruled, what would be the main thing that would be able to fool everyone? ..The media. (misinformation)
Secondly the evidence of a takeover would be apparent and more-than-likely increasing.
HINT: You can BET there would be..

Originally posted by Question
They have all the money they could ever have or need. They want power, absolute power.

Thank you for the thoughtful, cogent response. Love the avatar, btw.

I still wonder what it is the adherents to a NWO want total power over? 60 Billion people of a naturally squabbling disposition? What form of power are we talking about, here? The right to boss people about? To sell them mind-altering drugs? To steal from them through draconian taxation?

I'm reminded, of course, of the USSR and how it was only after the fall of Communism that civil wars were able to break out among the old soviet socialist republics, so global totalitarianism would probably put a stop to most of the infighting we're getting now. Since one of the powers that has instigated a war in the past decade is the home if most of the corporation heads who are seeking a NWO, I wonder if there isn't a bit of a contradiction going on there somewhere. I mean, won't the future subjugation of the middle east make the current conflict essentially pointless?

You know, the more I think of it, the more I have to wonder why anyone would want to rule a planet like this. It's got to be more trouble that it's worth.

Thanks again for the reply.

Yeah, you are correct again. However, any of this in my mind is trumped by my right to free speech along with an untapped phone. Thus they are breaking the law, because they think they are above it. Maybe if more were willing to die and show some backbone, they would not be so high and mighty. As long as the bully wins, he never sees the error of his ways!

OK tough guy, then let me ask you this:

Why, with all this violent rhetoric people like you put out, with your "I'm keeping my guns", "They'll have Hell to pay of they knock on MY door" etc. (paraphrasing here), has no one actually done anything yet?

See, I hear everyone talk as if it's inevitable that this horrible NWO is on its way. I hear everyone talk about hiding out, survival, and fighting back when they come for you. Why have none of the militia types, survivalists, people on this site, not actually taken steps to stop it BEFORE it comes? Where's the "lone gunman" to take these people out before their plans come to fruition? Jim Marrs (I think he's the one) supposedly tracks the Bilderbergers or whatever their names are. Why no surgical strike from the "forces of freedom"? Where's the vigilante hero willing to put his life and future on the line to keep these things from happening in the first place?

Seems to me, if anyone REALLY believed this stuff, and REALLY wanted to "fix" it, they'd realize by now NOTHING they do in a damn Internet forum will have one bit of difference. Everything you say here on this thread means absolutely Jack. The public at large thinks we're all kooks. The MSM laughs at us. The term "Tinfoil Hat" is now an official part of the "Descriptions of Crazy People" lexicon. Talking, exposing, writing, etc. does NOTHING to stop the madness of these supposed shadowy monsters.

IF you really believe this is happening, and you're REALLY that scared (I think, more and more, that the "NWO" is mere fantasy for people who read too many adventure novels and gun magazines), you or someone like you would have stopped it by now. That whatever it is is still going on leads me to believe most folks squawking about this are full of it. Do what you will. When this turns out to be nothing more than just an attempt to steal massive amounts of money from the world's societies by base criminals I'll still wake up in the morning, go to work, come home, and cook dinner. Nothing will really change.

Is Bushco a criminal enterprise? Sure it is. But unless Congress or a new Administration puts a stop to it there's no force on Earth that will fix what has been done. Better to put your efforts to good use, joining your political party of choice on a local level, taking a more active role in your party's operations, and change its culture from within if you don't like what you see.

Try thinking about a future for yourself that doesn't involve stockpiling ammunition. It does wonders for your mental health.


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Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by Shar_Chi
If anything, mankind seems to be devolving in my opinion

Good observation. I've noticed this too and I agree that devolution is occurring.

In my opinion we're becoming basic creatures who follow the leader and do what they do, the leaders in this case being celebrities and other pointless people who shift our attention away from what really matters.

The end of the United States has in my opinion been carefully planned quite a few decades ago and Bush's current administration is only responsible to carry out the last of it. This article suggests Bush is the mastermind and this is just not possible as most of the smart work has already come and gone. It is now only a matter of declaring Martial law and exterminating resistance forces.

I believe all the recent domestic military maneuvers are merely war games for what's coming next on our soil. Their exerciser practices currently being witnessed all over the country show what they are up to and its not about protecting citizens. The drills I have witnessed are about crowd control and little more. Further, history has proven these tactics have always been employed by tyrannical dictators in their seizure of nations. There is nothing to indicate this is anything else.

The only real concern is the resistance factor- but technology exists to limit negative responses by the public and all that is left is implementation- which is coming very soon.

I can see it plain as day and I don't know how else to put it without sounding all doom and gloom.

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Originally posted by The Nighthawk
OK tough guy, then let me ask you this:

Why, with all this violent rhetoric people like you put out, with your "I'm keeping my guns", "They'll have Hell to pay of they knock on MY door" etc. (paraphrasing here), has no one actually done anything yet?

I don't know why. Most people are just to apathic, or like you said later consider this line of thought for the tin-foil heads. I have asked myself, why did no officers get shot in Katrina when they went door to door taking about 1000 weapons?

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
See, I hear everyone talk as if it's inevitable that this horrible NWO is on its way. I hear everyone talk about hiding out, survival, and fighting back when they come for you. Why have none of the militia types, survivalists, people on this site, not actually taken steps to stop it BEFORE it comes? Where's the "lone gunman" to take these people out before their plans come to fruition? Jim Marrs (I think he's the one) supposedly tracks the Bilderbergers or whatever their names are. Why no surgical strike from the "forces of freedom"? Where's the vigilante hero willing to put his life and future on the line to keep these things from happening in the first place?

I don't know, but it isn't me. I have 3 children, ages 11,6, and 3 so I am not wanting to leave them yet. Hopefully, others are out there planning the surgical strike!

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
IF you really believe this is happening, and you're REALLY that scared (I think, more and more, that the "NWO" is mere fantasy for people who read too many adventure novels and gun magazines), you or someone like you would have stopped it by now. That whatever it is is still going on leads me to believe most folks squawking about this are full of it. Do what you will. When this turns out to be nothing more than just an attempt to steal massive amounts of money from the world's societies by base criminals I'll still wake up in the morning, go to work, come home, and cook dinner. Nothing will really change.

I don't read either adventure novels and gun magazines, just FYI. However, "nothing will really change, I think you are missing the warning signs, along with the vast majority of the population.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Is Bushco a criminal enterprise? Sure it is. But unless Congress or a new Administration puts a stop to it there's no force on Earth that will fix what has been done. Better to put your efforts to good use, joining your political party of choice on a local level, taking a more active role in your party's operations, and change its culture from within if you don't like what you see.

Well, we agree on the first two comments! Yeah! As for your third, politics as well as the voting process is a waste of time at this point. I will vote, but I am not expecting to see change, I never have yet!

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Try thinking about a future for yourself that doesn't involve stockpiling ammunition. It does wonders for your mental health.

Okay, your now a qualified psychiatrist? I think my mental health is better than most, at least I am not wrapped up in the BS American Dream and am aware of my surroundings, unlike most of the American public.

All presidents have done their part to make the world the disaster it is to date, look at JFK, I have to wonder what the hell it was he was thinking signing those dozen some odd EO's into effect. Though it could be argued that Bush Jr. has taken the cake for the amount of damage he has been able to do in 8-years, with a few hundred days to go... geez.

Originally posted by percievedreality
I don't know, but it isn't me. I have 3 children, ages 11,6, and 3 so I am not wanting to leave them yet. Hopefully, others are out there planning the surgical strike!

So in other words, you're all talk. You have too much to lose, so you'll either let someone else do your dirty work (assuming such a person exists to do it), or wait for the worst, run and hide, and hope you and your family will be safe somewhere. Either way, you're not expecting your children will have much of a future. If what you fear comes to pass they're either slaves to an elite group of fascists or hiding out in the wilderness waiting for a hero to save them. Seems to me, if you really believed you'd take a more active role in stopping your "enemy" to PREVENT either scenario.

"Nothing will really change, I think you are missing the warning signs, along with the vast majority of the population.

Politics as well as the voting process is a waste of time at this point. I will vote, but I am not expecting to see change, I never have yet!

Then I suggest that YOU are missing some signs as well. Record voter turnouts in Ohio and Texas, massive anti-war and anti-"free trade" (no such thing) protests (that the MSM hasn't covered) and a political upswell on the Net that is translating to real-life action at the polls and, I believe, is truly shaping the attitudes of the candidates (the Democratic ones at least) back to really, truly serving the people.

Okay, your now a qualified psychiatrist? I think my mental health is better than most, at least I am not wrapped up in the BS American Dream and am aware of my surroundings, unlike most of the American public.

I'm just as aware as you are. I just see things a little differently. I'm looking for the positive: Peace, economic stability, the glimmer of hope for a better tomorrow. You're looking for doom, death, destruction and violence. You, and many others here, seem to want a negative future. Whether you want it because it would prove you "right", or whether you want excuses to remove yourself from society and wall yourself up in a fortress, matters not. You see only the worst in humanity and thus you expect the worst. I see the bad as well, but I also try to see the best in humanity and I expect good things to happen. I'm no Christian, but I do believe in the power of positive energy and creative visualization. I also believe in karma. One has to have faith that things will turn out for the best. You don't have to be a psychiatrist to understand that those who only expect the worst, will only find the worst. Negativity, especially for its own sake or to justify some dark, apocalyptic fantasy, poisons the mind and soul.

The American Dream isn't BS. It's hard to achieve, harder now because there are so many roadblocks to those not born rich, but one has to believe it can be done-and if it can't under the current rules then you have to believe the rules can be changed. This is a dark period in human history, no doubt. But the balance WILL be restored. Choose your deity or spiritual path, love your family, and have some faith. Life is too important to waste waiting for Armageddon.




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[edit on 6-3-2008 by The Nighthawk]

Originally posted by McKennalite
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO

 

The one thing I would add to that involves our collective definition of the "middle class." Having a middle class implies that there are three distinct classes: Upper, middle, and lower. I have trouble with this categorization of wealth, and prefer that we call it what, I believe, it is; Us v. Them.

There is no middle class, but rather a more pronounced gradation of wealth in the lower class. It is quite literally Upper v. Lower, perhaps not 1% v. 99%, but I'm not going to claim to know where to put the cut off line between the two classes. Now, surely, many many folks have it much "worse" than others within the lower division, but creating false categorizations such as lower, middle, and upper divides us in places where unity could give us more strength in struggle.

Too much attention is paid to this nebulous middle class in status quo political discussion, and, as such, this phenomenon has spread into the radical / alternative discussion. If we're going to bring a serious and sustained critique of the current system, we must be united as one large struggling people against the monolith of wealth, power, and apparatus that makes up the ruling class.

Ditto
In the end it boils down to two classes... People that CAN pay their bills and people that CAN'T.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
So in other words, you're all talk. You have too much to lose, so you'll either let someone else do your dirty work (assuming such a person exists to do it), or wait for the worst, run and hide, and hope you and your family will be safe somewhere. Either way, you're not expecting your children will have much of a future. If what you fear comes to pass they're either slaves to an elite group of fascists or hiding out in the wilderness waiting for a hero to save them. Seems to me, if you really believed you'd take a more active role in stopping your "enemy" to PREVENT either scenario.

I am not ready as of yet. Not because of my personal support, but because of a lack of a large organized group ready for a coup. If I saw the upswell of support like in the democractic primaries as you suggest, in a revolt against the government, I would play ball. But not when death is certain for all involved, get 100,000 citizens to attempt it and I will march along.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Then I suggest that YOU are missing some signs as well. Record voter turnouts in Ohio and Texas, massive anti-war and anti-"free trade" (no such thing) protests (that the MSM hasn't covered) and a political upswell on the Net that is translating to real-life action at the polls and, I believe, is truly shaping the attitudes of the candidates (the Democratic ones at least) back to really, truly serving the people.

Record turnouts, yeah I have heard this. Sad, all those thinking that their vote is going to change anything. Censorship by the media on your second point, I am aware of this also and not at all surprised. Until Obama calls out Hillarys' connections to the Bilderburgers, he is playing nice.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
I'm just as aware as you are. I just see things a little differently. I'm looking for the positive: Peace, economic stability, the glimmer of hope for a better tomorrow. You're looking for doom, death, destruction and violence. You, and many others here, seem to want a negative future. Whether you want it because it would prove you "right", or whether you want excuses to remove yourself from society and wall yourself up in a fortress, matters not. You see only the worst in humanity and thus you expect the worst. I see the bad as well, but I also try to see the best in humanity and I expect good things to happen. I'm no Christian, but I do believe in the power of positive energy and creative visualization. I also believe in karma. One has to have faith that things will turn out for the best. You don't have to be a psychiatrist to understand that those who only expect the worst, will only find the worst. Negativity, especially for its own sake or to justify some dark, apocalyptic fantasy, poisons the mind and soul.

I agree with you here. I believe in everything you said above. However, I am not going to overlook all the changes in laws and planning that have taken place in the last five years which ultimately givess some corrupt person complete control over 300+ million people with not oversight from another single person! Well, Congress can look into it, 6 months after....sound like due process to you or someone stacking the deck to play God. I am not looking for "doom, death, destruction and violence." I am looking to AVOID "doom, death, destruction and violence."

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
The American Dream isn't BS. It's hard to achieve, harder now because there are so many roadblocks to those not born rich, but one has to believe it can be done-and if it can't under the current rules then you have to believe the rules can be changed. This is a dark period in human history, no doubt. But the balance WILL be restored. Choose your deity or spiritual path, love your family, and have some faith. Life is too important to waste waiting for Armageddon.

Once again your right, it isn't bs. You can do it... but without lying, cheating, or stealing? No, the unethical get wealthy and powerfull while the honest (usually harder working people) get left in the dust. Meanwhile they talk of retaining family values, more bs. What happened to the golden rule? Capitalism led by greedy cheating pigs! That is what has become of the American dream, my friend.

Originally posted by percievedrealityIf I saw the upswell of support like in the democractic primaries as you suggest, in a revolt against the government, I would play ball. But not when death is certain for all involved, get 100,000 citizens to attempt it and I will march along.

Until Obama calls out Hillarys' connections to the Bilderburgers, he is playing nice.

First, there will be NO revolt. It is virtually impossible to organize a large group of people for such an activity due to the current level of surveillance. The minute such a thing got started we'd hear about another "foiled terrorist plot" as the DHS closed in for the kill. Anyone involved would be off to Gitmo for their "spa treatment" at the hands of CIA/FBI interrogators, no lawyers, no habeus corpus, no nothing. So stop dreaming of the "Army of Citizens" to rise up and start shooting.

Second, Obama CAN'T mention the Bilderburgers. Fully 90% of Americans have never even heard the name, know nothing of what they're supposed to be about, and likely wouldn't believe it if you told them. To call Hillary out in a public forum about her supposed ties to some shady conspiracy group would immediately lose him the nomination and the election as Hil's and Mcain's campaigns would label him a nutcase. He would completely ruin his political career and never see office again. Hillary can't openly mention or denounce them for the same reasons. One has to have faith that once one of them takes the White House, their consciences and commitment to service will override the desires of whatever group thinks it's pulling the strings. I truly believe Obama has that strength of will. Hillary, I'm not so sure.

I am not going to overlook all the changes in laws and planning that have taken place in the last five years which ultimately givess some corrupt person complete control over 300+ million people with not oversight from another single person! Well, Congress can look into it, 6 months after....sound like due process to you or someone stacking the deck to play God. I am not looking for "doom, death, destruction and violence." I am looking to AVOID "doom, death, destruction and violence."

IF this comes to pass, and I think that's a big if, there will be no way for Americans to "rise up". Most, I doubt, even would want to. Most still believe 9/11 was carried out by 19 guys with box cutters, many of whom have been proven still alive (not that the MSM would tell us that) and none of whom had the flying skill to pull off the extreme maneuvers displayed by the planes involved. They still believe Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of this whole thing, and that despite being on kidney dialysis and having access to billions of dollars, he has successfully hidden from us for 7 years. People who believe these things so readily will not rise up in revolt. They will welcome martial law with open arms because they'll be scared of whatever bugaboo pops out of the woodwrk to serve as the catalyst. No, the only way to stop what you believe is coming is to take it on alone, to find your enemies and kill them one at a time until their conspiracy falls apart. But, no one wants to do that either, for whatever reason. Personally I think it boils down to a lack of belief and conviction, a hope that someone else will do the job, or plain chicken-$#@**edness.

But then again I don't think it will come to pass. I don't think we'll really see such times, at least not in the near future. Too many powerful people who AREN'T in the "club" have too much at stake to let some coup destroy their lives, businesses, fortunes, etc. And why would this "club" really want to anyway? They stand to lose more than they gain by such a move. A populace out of work, under martial law, is a populace not spending money and consuming goods and using services. They know the only real power is money, and I doubt they'll turn the faucet off now.

What I ponder is what will happen to the money system if the people loaning the smaller banks call in those loans like what happened during the STAGED Great Depressesion, and the fall of the housing market in which people
s houses our losing value will they have to rent their own home from the bank?!

There are many reasons for the downfall of the American Govt. Nuber one of my concerns is the fact the Fed. could be calculated to make $14 for every dollar. You are aware the dollar was set up to be run by debt. This control over the monetary system by the banking corporations was fought by the founder of the Democratic Party, Andrew Jackson. He fought this on several fronts. He knew the upper elite were taking advantage and power of the trade within each states, He realized the power it gave them. The 2nd Bank of the United States is what it was called. Also it invented the Corporation, a governing body of many people but no direct liability. It created the basis for this structure of doing business and left the people involved free to monopolize, consort, control every aspect of American life by controlling the money. Andrew Jackson Vetoed the budget for the 2nd National Bank and it closed before he left office. His opponent was Henry Clay the founder of the Whip party or Republican. The political campaign for the Democrats was the rich against the poor, The slogan was The Aristocrats -vs- The Democrats. This was the the last time the economy faced the type of challenge it faces today. The problems were the same and the result will be the same. The Republicans forced the privitzation of the American Dollar at that time. After Andrew Jackson left office, They refounded the same institution and called it the Federal Reserve, The original economic lie. The reserve is in no way federal. Our U.S. Treasury should have complete control of our monetary system and be directly liable to the people.

The writers of the Constitution knew the govt. would get out of hand. One qoute I remember though I don't rember the author was: Abuse of power will never cease democracy requires revolt by the people occasionally to survive this control. This was one of the reasons they all agreed all people were entitled to be able to defend their selves against oppression and created the Right to Bear Arms.

Let's stop blaming Bush for everything! We haven't been attacked since 9/11 ... this is Bush's watch that has kept us safe.

It's your liberals you'd better keep an eye on. They want complete control of us and our country. Let's get government out of our lives and take back our government of the people, for the people and by the people!

Originally posted by NellahB
Let's stop blaming Bush for everything! We haven't been attacked since 9/11 ... this is Bush's watch that has kept us safe.

The people who attacked us on 9/11 weren't even "terrorists". The evidence is overwhelming that it was a false flag operation carried out by forces under the control of the corporate elite. The reason we haven't been "attacked" again since is because there's been little reason for them to do it again; enough slavering idiots still listen to and trust the lies of the corrupt right-wing noise machine to keep the fear-mongering going without direct threat of more attacks. Besides, even if 9/11 WAS Al-Queada, then Bush bears direct responsibility for letting it happen; he was extensively briefed upon his arrival in the White House by former Pres. Clinton that bin Laden was the #1 terror threat and he did NOTHING about it. Even when handed a brief by Condi Rice herself (August 6, 2001) that an attack on US targets by Al-Queada was practically imminent, he did nothing about it. They all stood up after the fact saying "Nobody could imagine using airliners as missiles", when in fact reliable sources in the FBI amd CIA had considered the possibility for years beforehand. So don't give me all that "Bush keeps us safe" horse manure.

It's your liberals you'd better keep an eye on. They want complete control of us and our country.

You're f&%$ing KIDDING me. The "Patriot" Act? Warrantless wiretapping? Tracking Internet usage? Reading your email? Opening your snail-mail? Tracking your banking transactions? ALL of these came from a Neo-Conservative Republican congress, signed into law by Bush himself. You don't call that control? I'm a hard-core Liberal, and I'm fighting to get rid of these things. None of them are truly effective at catching "terror" suspects and the evidence is mounting that their true purpose is to spy on political opponents and activists. Amazing that the most sweeping domestic spying legislation in history came, 100%, from a "Conservative" administration, Congress and Supreme Court--and yet "Conservatives" blame Liberals for trying to "control our lives". What part of the Constitution are you reading? Do you even know HOW to read, or just spew what you heard from the criminals in right-wing radio? Liberals are trying to SAVE your sorry, ignorant butt from the very scum you support. "Conservatives" currently in power don't give a damn about you, and will throw you under the bus the second you're no longer valuable. Economically they pretty much already have. If you consider Bush to be a "Conservative" you've got a screw loose. Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave so fast he could provide electric power to all of New York City. As soon as Buckley's in the ground he'll provide power to L.A.

Let's get government out of our lives and take back our government of the people, for the people and by the people!

Hey, guess what? That's what Liberals want too! Government out of our bedrooms and private lives, true Equal Rights and Justice Under the Law for ALL Americans (not just the Rich), a health-care system that ALL Americans can afford (and, incidentally, will make US businesses MORE competitive in the global market), Fair Trade ("Free" Trade being a horrible misnomer and a devastating mistake costing millions of American jobs), an even "playing field" where all Americans really have a chance to succeed, good Education that ALL American children have access to, TRUE freedom of religion (meaning Government stops pandering to one group over another and using religion as a "litmus test" for patriotism), and a return to Diplomacy rather than bullying. And keep the "Elitist" crap to yourself; true Elitists raise the Elite above society. Liberals want ALL of society to be Elite, and every American to be free to live up to their potential. Get over your selfishness and be human.

reply to post by The Nighthawk


Well, we are more alike than you think! I was just about to tear into that brainwashed conservative blaiming liberals for this mess we are in, but you beat me to it! GOOD JOB!!! Proves your point in your previous post too, that I need to stop dreaming of the public waking up and deciding to revolt against this criminal fascist leadership.

However, you said you don't see some of these CTs coming to passa anytime soon. I would like to suggest that the NWO has made all the profits it would ever need (hence the markets are no longer "easy" profit makers and are being closed down) and have also secured the vast majority of infrastructure needed to advance their agenda. At this point, it is no longer about making money off of us OR to keep us in line, it is about a SIGNIFICANT population reduction worldwide. This gets back to my argument of being "80% down the road" on the path to destruction.

Originally posted by percievedreality
Well, we are more alike than you think! I was just about to tear into that brainwashed conservative blaiming liberals for this mess we are in, but you beat me to it! GOOD JOB!!!

Sometimes a smackdown needs to be laid. Too bad my points will likely pass right through his head without ever touching his brain (that detergent they use to wash it with is very slippery).

I would like to suggest that the NWO has made all the profits it would ever need (hence the markets are no longer "easy" profit makers and are being closed down) and have also secured the vast majority of infrastructure needed to advance their agenda.

I'm not so sure about that. There seems to be plenty more infrastructure being created (the transcontinental highway or whatever it's called from Mexico to Canada, for example) for the express purpose of making more money, higher profit margins, etc. And the markets aren't being "shut down", far from it. What we ARE seeing is downturns and an economy on the brink of recession. It could very well be just the next turn of the economic cycle, or maybe an attempt to manipulate the markets to separate casual investors and middle-class workers from their potential retirement money, forcing them to keep working longer. There's also a lot of chicanery involving OPEC and China; attempts by Arab and Chinese interests to grab more of the pie can't be ignored or dismissed.

At this point, it is no longer about making money off of us OR to keep us in line, it is about a SIGNIFICANT population reduction worldwide. This gets back to my argument of being "80% down the road" on the path to destruction.

I still have my doubts, and here's why. Whoever these folks are, they're smart. And they've been at it for a long time. And, people who would be inclined to want the kind of control and untold wealth they presumably have access to aren't known for sharing and playing well with others, even among their peers. Greed breeds distrust, distrust breeds fear (even among those we expect have nothing TO fear) and, of course, fear breeds hatred. The PTB may be polite with each other in person but they're most likely bitter enemies who privately despise each other.

I think it's far more likely that these people are engaged in a global chess game, playing countries, populations, philosophies, religions, etc. against each other in an ongoing attempt by each to rule the whole damn thing. Kinda like Highlander, but without swords and drunken Scotsmen. Thing is, a huge population reduction is the global equivalent of sweeping the pieces off the chessboard and into a wood-chipper. The PTB stand to gain nothing from such a move, save possibly an opportunity to start over--and if that were their goal, they'd have to be awfully careful not to go TOO far, or else there won't be any pieces left to play with. I don't think they're dumb enough to take that risk, and I don't think any one of them would voluntarily wipe out his own "forces" in "good faith" because he couldn't trust the others to do the same.

We may very well see some pockets of death and destruction. Such things have happened throughout human history and will happen again. An apocalyptic nightmare? Doubtful. They have much to lose and little to gain, and it seems they're too smart for that.

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Define what you consider to be a liberal. I think it's funnny when people bring this up how a republican govt. could be considered conservative. The only conservative about Mr. Bush is his intellegence.