The Gullibility of Evolutionists

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Sort of like saying there is no higher power/prime mover/god........

Unless of course you have that concrete, tangible proof I have been asking for since the beginning.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you may be certain but it is still a massive assumption on your part.

No, I promise. It is no longer an assumption. Not even faith at this point, technically. More like knowledge.

Not going to get into it too much. Not that I am ashamed of what has happened- I just don't expect anyone to believe the words and experiences from a cyber spectre. And after all, that's all any of us really are to each other. I can't expect anyone to believe what I've seen and no one knows how O.C.D. I am about liars and lying to know I would be telling the truth.

So, it is my own little pocket of proof. Not that I'm anything special, though. I merely asked. I suppose that is why I can roll my eyes and move along when people laugh at God and those who love Him.

reply to post by WraothAscendant


'tangible proof YOU have been asking for'???

Um, Wraoth, is THIS your thread?!?!?

Wait a minute, I'll go check page one.....

Naaup, just checked. Seems the lovely AshleyD is the OP. She always contributes nicely, and is very kind and polite. It is refreshing!

[edit on 21-3-2008 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by WraothAscendant

 

'tangible proof YOU have been asking for'???

Um, Wraoth, is THIS your thread?!?!?

Wait a minute, I'll go check page one.....

Naaup, just checked. Seems the lovely AshleyD is the OP. She always contributes nicely, and is very kind and polite. It is refreshing!

[edit on 21-3-2008 by weedwhacker]

I may be misinterpreting this, but Wraoth is asking for tangible proof. Seeing how the OP is inviting a discussion about the gullibility of evolutionists, I don't see how him asking for something to suggest that her belief is not a product of gullibility, is out of line.

Perhaps you say this because the OP is the one who should be asking for tangible proof to demonstrate that evolutionists are not gullible? If this is the case, I understand your post a little better. However, it's not unreasonable, in a important discussion such as this, that both sides ask for the evidence that supports their belief, so they can put both side by side and try to see whos evidence is more compelling.

Personally, I find science to be signifigantly more compelling. I know AshleyD has incorporated science and even aliens into her belief system to a certain degree, but in my opinion it's more of a concession than an incorporation. Not trying to attack you there Ash, you do debate with an admirable degree of civility and intellect.

reply to post by Gigatronix


I think they're talking about 'tangible proof' of the existence/nonexistence of God. It's like the old debate of telling theists to prove there is a god and telling atheists to prove there isn't one.

Again, I think. Not sure. It looked, to me, like MIMS was saying [in general, of course] to prove there is a creator and Wraith was saying to prove there isn't one. But I might have misunderstood which is why I was remaining silent... for once. lol

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, too.

[edit on 3/22/2008 by AshleyD]

reply to post by AshleyD

I will admit I goofed, I thought Wraoth was asking for proof of God, when he was asking for proof there wasn't one, my mistake.

reply to post by Gigatronix


Gigatronix, I read this post and the one up above, on this page...and I have to say, I am a little confused as to your point.

MY point is pretty clear, I think...I don't think much of organized religion. There! I've said it, and very plainly.!!!

What is often confused, in these discussions, is the aspect of Spirituality. I have not, personally, been 'blessed' with a 'spiritual' visit or vision or whatever is supposed to happen. BUT, I can understand, and listen, to others who have had these experiences. I know that when someone tells me about their experience, and when it comes from deep in their heart, then they are telling the truth, at least, the truth as they see and contemplate it.

So, when I say I don't think much of organizied religion, it's because I think that many organized religions have grown into monsters that prey on the 'gullible'....

A persons's inner beliefs are his or her own!! No one, and no thing should EVER try to tap into those beliefs. They are private, and are owned by that individual. AND, what that individual chooses, is his or her right! Dammit, this is basic, and it is up to each of us to think for ourselves, not to think what others tell us to think!!!

reply to post by weedwhacker

I understand your confusion, but now I am confused, because I didn't think any of the above posts were directed at you hehe. I have no beef with your opinions. The purpose of my original post is a dud, since I flip-flopped what I thought somebody was saying.

Don't mind me, I'm an ATS noob!

reply to post by Gigatronix


No sweat, Gigatronix.

Welcome aboard!!!

We like Noobe's....you have an opinion, and it adds to the complexity of this community, so welcome!!!

reply to post by weedwhacker


Think you for that rather long way of saying "I aint got jack to prove my position like I so demand from others that disagree with me.".


[edit on 22-3-2008 by WraothAscendant]

reply to post by WraothAscendant
Nobody has "jack" to prove anything, so I wouldn't be too smug about it. No matter which side you're on, your "proof" is just as easily dismissed as you would dismiss the opposing.

It's just like trying to convert or convince someone, if you yourself are not open to conversion or convincing, you have no business trying to convert someone else.

This is just one good quote out of many that points to Darwinian evolution having nothing anybody can hold up as proof:

"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed. At least I should hardly be accused of having started from any preconceived anti-evolutionary standpoint."- H. Nilsson

The above is correct. If you were to ask anybody who believes in Darwinian evolution (as opposed to some other mechanism of evolution) to provide just one single fact the proves they got here from a single celled organism by means of random gene mutations and natural selection, they would have nothing to say. So there is a hypocrisy.

However, I should point out, that evolution vs the mechanism that causes evolution are two different things. And that's the main problem. There's plenty of proof in evolution and likewise there's plenty of proof that their is a creator involved in some form since you can't explain the afterlife, reincarnation, a person's consciousness/soul, and a number of other things by an only materialistic evolutionary theory.

Originally posted by Elhardt
There's plenty of proof in evolution and likewise there's plenty of proof that their is a creator involved in some form since you can't explain the afterlife, reincarnation, a person's consciousness/soul, and a number of other things by an only materialistic evolutionary theory.

Please share this bountiful proof please. Please share proof that there is an afterlife,reincarnation, and a soul. If such proof exists I would gladly become a believer.

reply to post by Gigatronix


Um...................... that is kinda my point gig.
But thank you for clarifying that.

reply to post by WraothAscendant

You stated there was plenty of proof, and I asked to see it, and you said that was your point? I don't get it, please set me straight.

reply to post by Gigatronix


You are miss reading me.............
It's ok it happens to me...........

I maintain there isn't enough TANGIBLE proof for either side.
So both sides need to just agree to disagree and get the f*** OVER IT ALREADY.

reply to post by WraothAscendant
Ah then we agree then hehe. Sounds good. Sorry about the confusion.

reply to post by Gigatronix


Not a problem.
I'm just glad you didn't marry yourself to your misconceptions.
Too many people do.

And its the mark of good people that some don't.

reply to post by WraothAscendant


I think there's probably not enough evidence on either side to come to a firm conclusion, either, although I definitely lean to the creationist side (but not the 7 day literal creation). Evolution only makes sense to me in that there's probably a form of evolution - mutation for adaptation purposes. I think recent science has done a much better job of proving the creationist theory since we can now see all the way back in time to the first explosion of matter.

Dawkins gets owned by a Creationist's question then BS's his way out...

[edit on 3/22/2008 by Bigwhammy]