The Gullibility of Evolutionists

Originally posted by Stumpy1
It comes down to one thing....creationists have no tangilbe evidence that they can use in their favor to debunk evolution. They speculate and postulate and try to prove their points by referencing a "book" written over 2,000 years ago by an untold number of different people.

hehe. And here we have another person thinking that the only critical view of evolution comes from creationists.

Someone didn't read the thread.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
and I have been chastised by the OP, even though I tried to be kind to her...and 'scholarly'....but nevertheless, here I am to say I had to 'star' a user, 'Stumpy1'...for a very concise, unlike me, post.....

When did I chastise you for saying what Stumpy said, WW?

You're still cool in my book. No personal problems with you on my end.

reply to post by AshleyD


Care to tell us who else is critical of evolution, to the point they think all of it is clap-trap?

Originally posted by melatonin


Their frustration with science is because it doesn't justify their pet belief. They want it to go out and prove Jay-sus or Oom, or whoever, and want some Jay-sus in the science classroom.

Mel,,, I'll say this once again,, OUR frustration? No NOT OUR frustration with Science and again you have used the words "evolution" and Science where it can do the most damage depending on the context you apply.

Again I see when you want to portray Christians Outrage over what is truly a complete and utter failure of a theory, Darwin's evolution to be specific, we have no ill will towards Science as a whole. It's just that Atheism is using an area of what has proven to be a hypothesis Darwin had for a method of finally coming up with scientific proof that God is irrelevant. Now if only he could build a theory around his hypothesis .

Great idea,,,, I mean you have somethin that most consider the intellectual authority and getting it into public schools as the defacto reason for our existence while "deprogramming those confounded Christians Parents for tickling the God meme,, I mean just think of it.

If only Darwin good get his theory to pass peer review and if he had some help with say other studies from other well known Scientists like Haeckl and perhaps with hold evidence that his finch beaks all returned to the way they were as soon as the weather cycle mormalized. If he could perhaps get someone to manufacture a cave man like piltdown he could get this to replace that biology they taught.

Yeah we just heard Dawkins Dance around that answer about the DNA but I have found even more reason that the study of DNA will eventually force Dawinist to abandon the Trailer Trash Scholarship called Evolution.

You See I don't think Christians really care how God Made us. We just get tired of seeing Science Stolen by Atheists who have every intention of keeping us out of it and exposing their Agenda to establish their Atheist worldview and their desires to rid the planet of Faith, Belief in God and Religion. We Christians have never denied we believe by faith but we have proven you do too yet deny it. We have admitted being dogmatic and have proven Atheists / evolutionist's just as much as we are yet they deny it.

We have admitted being heavy handed at times pestering people with our religious tracts etc yet we are told using words to the effect we water boarded our children into belief. We have admitted to atrocities but won't allow them to be embellished by millions while the millions by atheist's they not only deny but their denial was why it took so long to get anyone to agree Atheist don't do it in the name of anything,, They Just do it for its own sweet sake.

Evolution has been nothing less then the biggest hoax in science. Atheists have been a very very industrious bunch Mel,, making movies attacking the very existence of God as no one was alive back then and it was so long after his death all this Bibliobigotry yet We are supposed to accept what Dawkins says happened millions of years ago to a fish when it became a species.

The fact is,, the questions over evolution have all been asked and they continue to protect a dying relic, a dead theory and False Science.

Evolution is the most despicable scam, hoax deception perpetrated by a former luke warm theist who used his phony Theory to advance Atheism.


You never see me talk about what Creationism has to say and while they are fighting an uphill battle against a very antagonistic hubris of anti god Atheists having been relatively new at getting established, they are mocked, ridiculed the same exact way Christians are by the same methods taught by Atheist leaders to keep them marginalized out on the fringe. Atheists controlling Science have perverted Science to a holy grail of garbage worthless as dung dumpster dived and desperate, Atheists act and do everything they hate Christians for while we would not keep you out of our Church you keep us out of your Science labs.

Well I got news for you..we are coming and


if Atheist's don't like it.


GOOD


- Con

Con, these people attack any area of science that doesn't conform to their theology. From biology to physics to geology, and psychology (I'll bite their fingers). I'm ignoring the rest of the evolution = atheism blah, we've been there before, it's boring, and you know you're wrong.

We know exactly what the likes of the ID creationists are up to. We have the manifesto of the contemporary creationists:

Governing Goals

· To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
· To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals

· To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
· To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
· To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals

· To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science. · To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts. · To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

Wedgie!

Hope you're well, anyway.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by melatonin]

Mel,

"I'll bite their fingers"???
What does that mean???
Not to go off topic.



[edit on 27-3-2008 by Clearskies]

Originally posted by Clearskies
Mel,

"I'll bite their fingers"???
What does that mean???
Not to go off topic.

Heh, don't take it literally, I only bite metaphorically. Psychology/neuroscience is my general field, and if their mucky little fingers get into psychology, like they have evolutionary biology, I'll bite.

I'm engaged in pre-emptive biting anyway

reply to post by melatonin


Yeah, I studied R.A.D. for my
Pre-K certification. Very interesting.

reply to post by AshleyD


How can you say in your original post that this is not a debate between evolutionism or creationism when you turn around and say that the reason for the post is to "discuss" the gullability and hypocrisy of those who believe in the theory of evolution?

First off a discussion is a debate if the subject matter is not unanimously agreed upon, which in this case it is so obviously not.

In most discussions there are at least two sides coming from at least two people (unless one talks to themselves which is just creepy anyway) this one being evolution so the natural opposite of evolution is creation.

It seems to me that you actually do want to have a debate. But when someone doesn't see your side or you come upon a post you cant adequatley defend yourself against you cop-out and say this is not a debate.

Make up your mind......there really is no point to a one sided trashing forum.

[edit on 03/21/08 by Stumpy1]

reply to post by Stumpy1


The thing is, when I strived to keep in on topic I was accused of being a thread Nazi and accused of not wanting to hear any opposing views. So, I tried to accommodate and allow further discussions/debates to take place that stretched further than the OP. It then got so out of hand which resulted in several mods issuing warnings on this thread that they would start fining members points and issuing red-tag warnings if we don't stick to the topic. That's why.

reply to post by AshleyD


AHHHH...Ok i see....kind of....although you have no control over what others say on the thread so it is not you fault for people getting dinged by the moderators...but ok.
I guess then I really don't understand the reason for this thread, there really are only three points of view to be taken 1) we evolved 2)we were created 3)aliens planted us here..
I personally will choose #1 because to me it is the only pov that makes any sense.

[edit on 03/21/08 by Stumpy1]

reply to post by Stumpy1


The thing is, I don't want anyone being dinged by the mods. Yes, it would also make me feel responsible since it is my thread. I don't have a personal problem if you want to bring up creationism into this topic but it does have it's own thread about gullibility. It's called the Gullibility of Creationists but the title isn't spelled correctly. Just saying.

reply to post by Stumpy1


I have to jump on Stumpy's bandwagon here, because it got boiled down so succinctly!

Ash, you're a dear, but you must admit your use of the term 'gullibility' was inflammatory.

Of course, any discussion of this nature (no pun) is going to incite, even inflame (pun) passions. It is known going in....

As to the initial premise: I do not consider myself 'gullible' just because I have a brain and can understand science. I am happy to say that I can think for myself, thank-you-very-much, and do not need anyone else to come along and tell me mythical stories of magical beasts...sorry if this offends, but it is my pov.

I like to see movies and read stories about mythical beasts and magical events...it's called 'entertainment'. The genres are sometimes mixed, some are 'fantasy' and some are 'science fiction'. Then, there's the 'hard' science fiction genre, one that disciplines itself to only allow 'real' science, even in the fiction....almost sounds silly, as I write it. But it is dead serious to many people.

I have to equate the belief in god to a child's belief in the tooth fairy, or Santa Clause. What I mean by that is, we 'grow up' and think we're adults, and smart, and realize that the tooth fairy and Santa Clause were just harmless fantasies....but in fact, there is a LARGER reality out there, and we haven't a clue, yet!

Because, even if we inhabit adult bodies and think we're adult, we aren't. It's an illusion.

Step back and look at how 'adults' comport...fights, wars....all very childish when looked at from the right perspective.

I'm not an expert, or student, of the World's great religions....I was born into a culture, the USA, where Christianity is dominant. I rejected it early on as being insufficient. I embraced science, because, while not perfect, at least science strives to improve itself....doesn't get bogged down in dogmatic mud, doesn't stand still and 'contemplate its navel'...

There is likely a Higher Power that we are, as yet, unaware of. We strive to find 'IT'...and in the process harm each other along the way. This is the hyprocisy that I am sick of seeing, tired of reading about, and tired of being told that it MUST be the way to think! I can think for myself, thank you!

And, finally, any Higher Power that may be responsible for the immense Universe around us couldn't possibly be paying attention to a minor hairless ape species on a mediocre planet around a mediocre star in the suburbs of an average galaxy, one galaxy among 500 BILLION others...that's Billion with a 'B'....we are on our own here, people. It is up to US to decide our own fate. Pray all you want, if it makes you feel better, but when you're done, come back and pay attention to your fellow humans, and to everything around you, because THAT is what keeps you alive and thinking!!!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Ash, you're a dear, but you must admit your use of the term 'gullibility' was inflammatory.

I requested this thread title be changed to Evolution: The Root of all Evil?. If it is changed, let's hope they don't leave off the question mark. It's my safeguard!

reply to post by AshleyD


OMG!! THat's even funnier, but in a very wrong way!

Ash, your sense of humor is inspiring. I'd tell a joke, but it would be off-topic!!

Your jokes are better, since it's your thread...

Best, Tim/WW

Originally posted by AshleyD
This thread isn't intended to engage in yet another creation vs. evolution debate inasmuch as it is to discuss the gullibility and hypocrisy of those who adhere to the theory of evolution and accept supporting evidence with virtually wholesale approval.

I am not interested in proving or disproving evolution, creationism, or the flood account. There is a constant barrage of insults concerning those who dare question the evidence put forth by evolutionary scientists. Those who do are often referred to as delusional, liars, close minded, ignorant, lacking in logic and critical thinking, etc.

Creationists are often accused of blindly believing the Genesis account and accepting the universe as being the product of a divine creator although there is evidence to confirm our stance (even if it sometimes depends on the process of elimination). I must ask why so many evolutionists regularly swallow evidence that supports their view in spite of repeated faulty finds, retractions, and loose connections and evidence.

Some archaeological finds deemed as fact will later be proven false and the usual defense is, 'We are still learning and are bound to make mistakes.' In my opinion, that is a poor excuse. If you are going to describe something as science and fact but accuse those who do not agree with your view as lacking 'logic, reason, and critical thinking' then the current existing evidence of evolution should be rock solid.

To compare, let's use my opinion of flood geology as an example of how to weigh evidence without being gullible enough to believe something just because it conforms to one's beliefs. I can admit that some finds in defense of the flood are fascinating, some are so obviously false, and some are too open to interpretation to be considered proof/evidence. It would be arrogant to accuse those who do not agree with such discoveries as lacking 'logic, reason, and critical thinking' because some of the evidence is admittedly shaky.

However, ardent evolutionists seem to lack the ability to weigh the evidence being offered to defend their belief and will only admit evidence as being false in the face of absolute facts that irrefutably debunk their evidence. It seems that evidence supporting evolution is innocent until proven guilty.

The same can't be said about religion?? heres one example
Larry King's interview with evangelist Paula White revealed what is so common. It was the uncovering of a rich televangelist actress who uses Jesus for her own luxurious lifestyle.

www.magic-city-news.com...

Every aspect of life has it's "hoax's" and they should honestly not be used discredit the whole genre.

reply to post by Ogre14t


I concur. An argument on this subject could continue for eternity if the only focus remains on what he said and what she said.

It's the whole picture. Sometimes I wonder if these people have ever been to a museum - unless they think museums are in on the conspiracy also.

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Ash, you're a dear, but you must admit your use of the term 'gullibility' was inflammatory.

I requested this thread title be changed to Evolution: The Root of all Evil?. If it is changed, let's hope they don't leave off the question mark. It's my safeguard!

After all it's all in the name! I love that sense of humor! Remember "There's no such thing as a Dawkins."

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

After all it's all in the name! I love that sense of humor! Remember "There's no such thing as a Dawkins."

Oh, yah? Worship the Dickie D!



[edit on 28-3-2008 by melatonin]

reply to post by melatonin


THAT was hysterical! And strangely enough... on topic!

"If I was dyslexic I'd probably hate dogs, too."



OMG. Thank you, Mel. Loved how they 'expelled' the scientist who claimed he found something else occurring besides natural selection under the microscope.