The Gullibility of Evolutionists

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essentially, deny ignorance. You have no understanding at all about the Theory of Evolution or the processes which have made it the study of Science. I do, I have studied biological science as we;ll as geology and paleontology.
And I also have a grounding in religious studies, with vigorous debates with family members (who are clergy, who teach Christianity at University) and they have had no valid reason for denying evolution. They have even posited that evolution makes god's work that much more sublime, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that as you don't seem to be able to deny ignorance one jot, are just dogma bound in some (conveniently) unprovable flying spaghetti monster.


I may be a scholar, but I surely aren't a gentleman.
I'd love to take my gloves off, but then it would get messy.
I don't respect your faith or religion. I consider it to be the basis of power control and ill feeling in the world.

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Wow you are truly a scholar and a gentleman.

Thanks for the post.

Zachariah Sitchin, The Lost Book of Enki,2004 is an interesting read. It throws new light on this whole debate. Some biblical scholars may not like what his compendium of research may have uncovered. Those whom are familiar with the Urantia book will have many questions as well as to which species of humanoids may have been genetically altered to suit the "Elohim" needs of that time. Also those familiar with JJ Hurtek's The Book of Knowlege:The Keys of Enoch or otherwise known as the Book of YHVH Yahweh, may also look deeper into the symbolism to fire letters and their arrangements. Particularly the Eye of Horus. They may have known the essence of the true Elohim, yet they played the Elohim role and may have been thus labeled, Elohim in Genesis. However I must add that those beings who may have altered humanity from homo sapiens into homo sapien sapiens(our image) is speculation. Could it have happened that way? Very possible. Then again even the "Alterers" understood the Creator put humans here first and knew their plan may not be ethical in altering the natural order to suit "their" self interests. Yet they did it anyways. Sound like Man??? Nephilum?? Food for thought. Enjoy

Does anyone remember Lenski's experiment with E. Coli. that still continues to this day?

40,000 generations later it is still E. Coli.

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You're not supposed to edit mod edits. Ya, I'm in a frisky tattle tale mood.

Oh well.

It's BW's music's fault.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Does anyone remember Lenski's experiment with E. Coli. that still continues to this day?

40,000 generations later it is still E. Coli.

So what is your point? Are you trying to say that an experiment with a bacteria that has remained unchanged for millions of years because the ecological niche it inhabits precludes any need to evolve further is a valid argument against evolution?
Why are you so scared of evolution? Doesn't it show god's work much more sublimely?( I don't think it shows god's work at all because I believe there is no god, but it's a 'valid' argument...well, as valid as saying there is a god, when patently, there is absolutely no evidence pertaining to the existence of said being....don't say" what about the bible?" because that was written by humans, don't say "take a look around you" because there is no need for a god for anything around me to exist).
I think you might be scared of evolution, and its big brother Science, because deep down you know that they are true, but you don't want to question your faith because, well, essentially, it is built upon the sand!

Originally posted by AshleyD
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You're not supposed to edit mod edits. Ya, I'm in a frisky tattle tale mood.

Oh well.

It's BW's music's fault.

I bet you were unbearable at school, and you haven't evolved since then, much like the E.coli.
However, I take that on board and apologise to the mod for my misunderstanding of the minutiae of the rules and regulations.
I have engaged the mod in U2U and apologised for my actions.

Originally posted by AotearoaSon
So what is your point?

It's still bacteria.

Are you trying to say that an experiment with a bacteria that has remained unchanged for millions of years because the ecological niche it inhabits precludes any need to evolve further is a valid argument against evolution?

Not entirely. It did mutate and adapt. But that still is not macro.

Why are you so scared of evolution?

I'm not.

I think you might be scared of evolution, and its big brother Science, because deep down you know that they are true, but you don't want to question your faith because, well, essentially, it is built upon the sand!

You can think that but you would be thinking wrong.

Originally posted by AotearoaSon
For Conspiriology

essentially, deny ignorance. You have no understanding at all about the Theory of Evolution or the processes which have made it the study of Science. I do, I have studied biological science as we;ll as geology and paleontology.

Ya know I have met a lot of people I call "educated idiots" and after seeing that NEW text books using illustrations and data as full of crap as Piltdown man are still being used today, I got to ask myself if I shouldn't be dubious of your "staggering intellect" in spite of your lofty self disclosure regarding your "Backround"

And I also have a grounding in religious studies, with vigorous debates with family members (who are clergy, who teach Christianity at University) and they have had no valid reason for denying evolution.

On the contrary smart guy,, they do. Most people in the clergy use the Bible and it is quite specific as to our being created intact and NOT from some primordial oooze.

I'd love to take my gloves off, but then it would get messy.

I don't like boxing paraplegics and if matching wits with you is what you are talking about,, I am afraid that is just what I would feel like I am doing. So Ill just agree


If you think people believing in flying spaghetti monsters is crazy,, then I got to wonder,, what that makes someone who likes to argue with them??


Seems kind of nuts to me,, but hey YOU'RE THE EDUMACATED ONE



- Con


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Originally posted by AshleyD
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It's still bacteria.

So? Just because it's remained as bacteria because of its success does not preclude evolution occurring. In fact, there is so much evidence for evolution and so little for god.

I'm not.

For goodness sake, you refer me to a thread that quotes the bible...a book written by people, over a long period of time, much of it while under the influnce of psychoactive substance, and you say that it is fact? Do you have any other EVIDENTIAL based examples, or are you just going to rehash that hoary old chestnut?

I think you might be scared of evolution, and its big brother Science, because deep down you know that they are true, but you don't want to question your faith because, well, essentially, it is built upon the sand!

You can think that but you would be thinking wrong.

Please enlighten me then.

Originally posted by AotearoaSon
So? Just because it's remained as bacteria because of its success does not preclude evolution occurring. In fact, there is so much evidence for evolution and so little for god.

I beg to differ. There is definitely evidence (massive evidence) that supports evolution on a micro scale. Horray. Thanks for validating the Bible. Macro evidence on the other hand is far too dubious and stretched.

For goodness sake, you refer me to a thread that quotes the bible...a book written by people, over a long period of time, much of it while under the influnce of psychoactive substance, and you say that it is fact? Do you have any other EVIDENTIAL based examples, or are you just going to rehash that hoary old chestnut?

1). Cover up. Your bias is showing. We can both pretend for argument's sake we are both atheists and what the thread states is nothing more than an ancient document that was recently discovered.

2). The Genesis account was not written by multiple people over a long period of time. You're thinking of the whole Bible. Unless your still reminiscing about the JEDP hypothesis that has long since been refuted.

3). 'Inspired by drugs.' Several, including myself, have already refuted this on a couple of recent threads made over the last couple of weeks.

4). Now go back and reread without bias unless you are content with sticking to your own spoon fed dogma. Typical indoctrinated evolutionists that has enclosed themselves in their own confining box and refuses to travel outside of it.

Please enlighten me then.

Again, I do not reject macroevolution due to theological reasons.

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I see you have learned a lot on picking up on that "teflon double speak" they like to use. Especially in regard to speciation.

You're a sharp cookie girl.


I got a u2u for ya to look at too.

- Con

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Originally posted by AshleyD

I beg to differ. There is definitely evidence (massive evidence) that supports evolution on a micro scale. Horray. Thanks for validating the Bible. Macro evidence on the other hand is far too dubious and stretched.

Ashley,, you can argue with people and you can argue with the terminally self rightous self appointed "experts"

The first may or may not be a waste of time the second is someone so impressed with his or her own "stats" they are not just a waste of time, they are proof what a waste education can be.

- Con

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I'm pulling a Billy Graham over in my thread.

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”

Originally posted by AshleyD

4). Now go back and reread without bias unless you are content with sticking to your own spoon fed dogma. Typical indoctrinated evolutionists that has enclosed themselves in their own confining box and refuses to travel outside of it.

Nice try, but no banana.
You have shown me no fact-based evidence to take anything you say as fact.
you have shown me nothing to make me change my mind, other than your own perusings, but as I am unaware of your background or how dogma-biased you are, I will continue to deny ignorance by fighting against religion (in all its guises) with my words (I'm not predisposed to violence, unlike much of the bible) and backing them up with rigid facts, such as my post on the previous page which links to information about an article (which you can find in any library worth its salt, as well as some quotes furnished from the article(now go back and reread without bias, unless you are too copntent with sticking with your flights of fairy fancy)

Originally posted by Bigwhammy


I'm pulling a Billy Graham over in my thread.

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”

Bunkum...cornball bunkum.
I haven't heard such a load of nonsense since I was a kid and attended church.
Thanks for reaffirming my notion that christians are dogma bound slaves to superstition

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OK, let's stick to the subject and stop the snide personal attacks, Please!

Might be wise to leave the broad brush generalizations, out, as well.


We now return you to your regularly schedule topic...

The Gullibility of Evolutionists

A shoe store what?
When did I put a myriad of shoes in my mouth?
My last post was total scarcasm.
I for one would contend that not every post on this site has intelligence behind it...That's apparent even in this thread!
But let's pretend that every post was posted by someone intelligent, and that everyone that reads them is also intelligent. What does that conclude? That people have intelligence. OK, was that intelligence given by God, or was it something that was amassed over time? I would have to say the latter. Intelligence is something constructed by mind. It uses a framework of abstract concepts with which to navigate itself through the world of sensory input, and to communicate with, and manipulate the (possibly) external environment through it's interpretation of that external world. It is learned over time, and can also be taught; that's why we have schools and colleges and universities...
A post on a forum, hosted on a server somewhere in cyber-space will never evolve into a monkey, as it isn't a sentient being. It's electrons and binary data. It doesn't have conciousness. It's a tool that humans have developed for getting thoughts from one mind to another mind. It's just a medium of communication that can be used between 2 humans who understand the rules that define that means of communication. If you can read and write English, then you'll be able to interpret the ideas that are transported by the medium. Of course you have to understand the notion of individuality, communication, then language, then computers to utilize it. Something that has to be learned over time. The mind evolves.

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On the contrary smart guy,, they do. Most people in the clergy use the Bible and it is quite specific as to our being created intact and NOT from some primordial oooze.


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Next you'll be telling me that the bible is the word of god!!!

I never claimed to have a staggering intellect, I was just showing that I am not coming to this table uninformed.
I would question any textbook that uses the Piltdown Manas anything else than an example of a hoax and the need to be extremely questioning of any and everything (which is what science does, and stands the test, too).

Was your mentioning of paraplegia meant to be offensive, insensitive or something? Because it just shows that you have no (moral) legs to stand on.

Your buffoonery shows your lack of trust in that which you try to promote.