Colombia raid into Ecuador causes tension and warnings of war

reply to post by TheBandit795


Interesting, although as xmotex stated when I posted my CNN link, I have to apply his answer here, this is just the other side making a claim, and really, this person's blog isn't really proof.

I of course would like to see the laptops and what was on them. And I am more inclined to believe CNN then the persons blog you used as a link.

Personally I don't really give a rats behind what's in the laptop. As long as me and my family here on this island are safe.

reply to post by TheBandit795


I hope for you and for many many others that you are indeed safe where you are and will continue to be safe.

Thanks man! I appreciate it. I hope that for you yours too.

Raul Castro's government has remained silent on the dispute between the three Andean countries that began when Colombia carried out a March 1 commando raid across the border in Ecuador that killed 25 people including a senior commander of the FARC, Colombia's largest rebel group.

Fidel Castro welcomed the resolution of the dispute reached at the summit, saying in a Friday statement that the only loser was U.S. "imperialism."

Noting that no U.S. diplomats were present at the gathering, Castro wrote that "peace was immediately sealed, along with the knowledge that we are not obligated to wage war among nations that share solid ties of brotherhood."

www.iht.com...

The present crisis appears to be over. Here is what I believe happened.

Chavez made a very publicized visit to Cuba, to meet with Raul and Fidel Castro. As you can see from the above news article, Castro had been very quiet about the dispute. I think that behind the scenes Castro said something like this:

"Hugo, are you CRAZY? The last thing you need is to give the US a reason to go after you. Make peace with Colombia or suffer the consequences. Now go and be a good boy, and make nice."

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Raul Castro's government has remained silent on the dispute between the three Andean countries that began when Colombia carried out a March 1 commando raid across the border in Ecuador that killed 25 people including a senior commander of the FARC, Colombia's largest rebel group.

Fidel Castro welcomed the resolution of the dispute reached at the summit, saying in a Friday statement that the only loser was U.S. "imperialism."

Noting that no U.S. diplomats were present at the gathering, Castro wrote that "peace was immediately sealed, along with the knowledge that we are not obligated to wage war among nations that share solid ties of brotherhood."

www.iht.com...

The present crisis appears to be over. Here is what I believe happened.

Chavez made a very publicized visit to Cuba, to meet with Raul and Fidel Castro. As you can see from the above news article, Castro had been very quiet about the dispute. I think that behind the scenes Castro said something like this:

"Hugo, are you CRAZY? The last thing you need is to give the US a reason to go after you. Make peace with Colombia or suffer the consequences. Now go and be a good boy, and make nice."

I agree with you, but there are more reasons:
All the documents that came from Reyes´ computers that seriously involve Chavez with financing and providing weapons to the FARC.

Colombia is the main supplier of food to Venezuela, there is a shortage of main goods in Venezuela and keeping the border closed wasn´t going to help.

I saw a survey from two days ago that said that only 20% of Venezuelans would support a war with Colombia.

I imagine there are plenty more.

But what really made my day was seeing Correa´s face when Uribe and Chavez hugged and shook hands at Santo Domingo, he looked so furious, I hope he learned his lesson, Chavez has no principles, Venezuelans know it, Colombians know it and hopefully Ecuadorians are beginning to understand.

I think most of the "New Left" leaders in South America are pretty wary of Chavez's antics and cult of personality.

However it appears to be Colombia that backed down.

I suspect what happened is this: the Colombians, likely at the behest of the US, attacked FARC and planted documents that could link FARC to Chavez, thus providing a pretext for war (and US involvement). This is fairly typical of neocon foriegn policy and US covert ops.

But when it became clear that not only would we be engaging Venezuela, but Ecuador, Nicaragua, and possibly several larger nations, the plan was scuttled and Uribe was instructed by the US to defuse the crisis.

We might even know what really happened someday, 50 years from now, when the paper trail is declassified.

I mean we really don't know what happened with Allende in Chile, just that we were involved, and that was what, 35 years ago?

Originally posted by xmotex
I think most of the "New Left" leaders in South America are pretty wary of Chavez's antics and cult of personality.

However it appears to be Colombia that backed down.

I suspect what happened is this: the Colombians, likely at the behest of the US, attacked FARC and planted documents that could link FARC to Chavez, thus providing a pretext for war (and US involvement). This is fairly typical of neocon foriegn policy and US covert ops.

But when it became clear that not only would we be engaging Venezuela, but Ecuador, Nicaragua, and possibly several larger nations, the plan was scuttled and Uribe was instructed by the US to defuse the crisis.

We might even know what really happened someday, 50 years from now, when the paper trail is declassified.

I mean we really don't know what happened with Allende in Chile, just that we were involved, and that was what, 35 years ago?

With all due respect, do you know what type of documents were found in Reyes´ three computers?. Have you read any of them?. Do you read spanish?

Guess the hundreds of incriminating pictures of Reyes were faked too.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by Camilo1]

reply to post by Camilo1


We can only trust or distrust the mainstream media on what emails were in the laptop. The press briefings may be real or false. Who knows, the media has lied enough times already for it not to be credible enough for me. The post I made with the counterclaim on the other hand. Was nothing more than that. A counter claim. Just to show that there exists the possibility that the $300 million may be a media hoax. Let us take that into consideration.

And as I said. I don't really care as long as there is peace.

reply to post by Camilo1


All I know about the documents is what the Colombians claim were in them.

But creating fake documents on a computer is not exactly rocket science, and not exactly unprecedented either.

And I have no illusions about how underhanded the leaders of my country are willing to be in order to advance their avowed strategy of "global dominance".

Three speciallists from Interpol have arrived to Colombia to verify the information found on Reyes´ computers at the request of the Colombian Government, they come from Korea, Australia and Singapur.

Here is a news link:

www.noticias24.com...

I know faking documentation is not exactly difficult, but the computers were there, the footage of the operation shows that they were there.

Here is a thread on the footage:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Computer forensics is the occupation of a close friend of mine, who is a top forensic specialist doing internal investigations for a major American logistics company.

One thing he has pointed out to me is that any information in a digital format can be faked in such a manner as to be indistinguishable from original data. Timestamps can be faked, deletions can be faked, etc...

A sufficiently capable hacker with a knowledge of computer forensics can make any faked data totally indistinguishable from real data.

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."
Mark Twain (1835-1910) U.S. humorist, writer, and lecturer

xmotex:

I have presented the facts but you seem to equate the Colombian Government with some global agenda that does not apply to this particular case. Your assumptions, respectable as they are, differ from reality.



Cheerio

Camilo

Well I disagree.

The current Colombian government is highly dependent on the US, and has proven to be a reliable and obedient client state. Not that we give them much choice.

In an era when most of the continent is overtly rejecting American dominance, Colombia is one of the few holdouts.

reply to post by xmotex


I think that you're being way too harsh on Colombia. Sure, there are problems in Colombia, but they do have free elections, and the current government is far better than those of the 1950's where bloodshed was common on all of the streets of Colombia. Just because a country is not anti-America, is not a reason to accuse them of being part of some neocon conspiracy. As I've said before, all of our adopted children are from Colombia, and as a visitor to Colombia, I never felt threatened, unwelcome, or that I was in a country that was not striving to be a good citizen of the world.

I would certainly prefer Uribe running Colombia, as opposed to Chavez. Even Chavez's people wouldn't give him the powers that he wanted.

I do agree that we don't really know what happened, just as we'll probably never really know all the facts of 9/11, or whether FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. I guess if we did, there would be no reason for ATS.

Well I don't mean to be, I've had several Colombian coworkers, and they were all rather pleasant people.

Nor do I mean to say that my opinion of Uribe or the Colombian government is wholly negative - in fact Uribe has done better than any of his predecessors at reigning in the right wing militias that are the other half of the terrorist equation in Colombia. Despite the fact that Uribe clearly has good personal reasons to despise the FARC.

It's just that I've seen how my own government operates, and I certainly wouldn't put it past them to use Colombians as pawns (willing or unwilling) in their bid for global power.

reply to post by xmotex

I think you and I agree on more than we disagree. Your comments are well taken. Good post.

Thanks.

Yes, it's very nice to have a nice civilized debate with no name calling once in a while

reply to post by xmotex


I agree.
Name calling doesn't build understanding. It builds walls that can't be scaled.
Peace.