Colombia raid into Ecuador causes tension and warnings of war

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Uribe is the best of a bad lot, and not a particularly bad leader as Columbia goes.

But a government is not a single individual, and while Uribe may have tried to counter the paramilitaries, they still have many friends in the government and the military. Not to mention the US.

It was very unwise to unilaterally launch a strike into Ecuador, which has promised to strike FARC guerrillas violating it's territory on it's own.

Actually though, I will back off from my statement before.

If there is an innocent victim in this mess, it would be Ecuador, which appears to be little more than a bystander in a game between Chavez and the US.

It is getting much worse:

Chavez Warns of War with Colombia
"Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately - tank battalions. Deploy the air force," Chavez said during his weekly TV and radio program. "We don't want war, but we aren't going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master (of Colombia) ... to come divide us."

Chavez called Colombian President Alvaro Uribe "a criminal" and branded his government a "terrorist state," likening it to Israel for its U.S.-backed attacks on militants.

This piece describes the discovery of FARC documents that tie the Ecuadorian President to the group:

Colombia says FARC documents show Correa ties
BOGOTA (Reuters) - Colombia said on Sunday documents found in a camp in Ecuador where Colombian troops killed a top guerrilla boss showed ties between the FARC rebels and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, including contacts with his government about political proposals.

FARC rebel commander Raul Reyes was killed inside Ecuador in a Colombian army operation that has fueled tensions between Colombia and neighbors Venezuela and Ecuador.

How far will the US go to defend Columbia against a possible confrontation against Ecuador & Venezuela?

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It seems that if Ecuador were active in patrolling their borders and preventing the FARC from using their country as a staging ground for their war in Colombia then this would all be a moot issue.

It seems as though Ecuador and Venezuela are ok with allowing their country to be used to fight a war but have a problem when the war threatens or actually comes back home to them. Too bad for them, I hope the US has a carrier fleet off the coast within 72 hours to let them know just who the big boys on the block are. Let chavez huff and puff about it til he blows a vein and saves 4 countries allot of lost lives that needn't be lost.

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I can understand the chest pounding, and I don't like the Chavez style of running Venezuela, but I can't help but think this could be a part of a bigger plan to spread the US military responsibilities even thinner then they already are.

I am more concerned about possible long term ramifications of this potential hot zone.

Somewhere Ahmadinejad is smiling, oh, I forgot isn't he visiting Iraq right now?

What's next to grab after oil, hashish and heroin? Some more oil and coc aine. Then what? gold? where is this all going?

Chavez has got to love how we are strecthed thin and already setting up the next stage in Iran, Lebanon and Syria. babylon is falling.

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And this has what to do with South America?

Hopefully this doesn't have anything to do with Miss America, Maps, and "The Iraq" whatever that is.

[edit on 3/3/08 by MikeboydUS]

I'll stick with my opinion. If these countries where left in peace for the past 50+ years and not messed around with all this time, we wouldn't have had a radical idiot like Chavez threatening war. You know what the real causes are. And the U.S. bringing a carrier here to "huff and puff" (which of course would be located either at Aruba or Curacao) would just be battling symptoms of a disease which some people refuse to understand the underlying causes.

Coem on guys, thats like saying Pakistan intentionally harbors the Taliban and Al-qaeda along its mountain border intentionally, or the US intentionally harbors drug runners and human traffikers along its desolate border with Mexico.

It is very difficult to monitor your border when it is vast and undeveloped. If you think its hard to patrol a mountain border like the one along Afghanistan/Pakistan, trying covering it with a rain forest and see how much harder it gets. There is significantly too much covered land "porous" land to slip through without being noticed. If this terrain was on the US border, the Southern population of the US would have far more immigrant population, even more so than today.

I will admit the FARC has strayed from its original path, which had some merit. They got horrible when they became invovled with the drugs. I believe if they want their original goals realized, they should assist the Colombian government in eradicating the drug cartels, and burning any farm they find growing and harvesting the plants of the coc aine industry. It would probably bring a new found respect with the people of the country as well.

I think the biggest thing affecting his leadership is his die hard obligation to avenge his father's death, and it is apparantley affecting his foreign policy and diplomatcy standards. It probably isnt wise to guide your administration fueld by hate, anger, and vengance.

Originally posted by DYepes
I will admit the FARC has strayed from its original path, which had some merit. They got horrible when they became invovled with the drugs...

And they just keep getting worse...

The FARC attacks civilians not involved in the conflict...recruit underage boys and girls (according to the FARC any child over 11 years old is fit to fight)...

The FARC also frequently recruits teens as soldiers and informants. Human Rights Watch estimates that the FARC has the majority of child combatants in Colombia, estimating that approximately 20 to 30% of the guerrillas are children under 18 years of age[19]. Female members are subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation, including non-consensual abortion.[20] Children who try to escape the ranks of the guerrillas can be punished with torture and death by firing squad.[20] SOURCE

U.S. could intervene as Chavez prepares for war on Colombia

source: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Just saw this... HM, can we please NOT intervene anymore and just say we did?

Originally posted by Peace Frog
Just saw this... HM, can we please NOT intervene anymore and just say we did?

Unfortunately, the world puts the US in a Catch-22.

If the US intervenes, the US is condemned for being war-mongers, waging war for oil, or .

If the US doesn't intervene, the US is condemned for not doing enough.

On the off chance that this isn't sabre-rattling on the part of Chavez (after all, he has far more to loss in opposing the US in reality, and far more to gain in opposing the US in rhetoric), the US, no matter who the President may be, will not sit back and allow an ally to be attacked.

Are you guys kidding?

Coloumbia has been asking for eons, that Venezuela and Equador act against FARC. This is just the next logical response to their obvious assistance too, or ambivilence of this terrorist group.

Lets see what Chavez does next. I have a feeling those divisions he called up will be pulled back if Columbia starts hitting FARC hard.

I say good on them!

I can't see this turning into an actual war. This happens all the time.

Governing party is in trouble at home, stirs up some international tension and/or exploits an event to draw attention away from domestic problems and regain a bit of popularity. Blame all those nasty foreigners for the trouble (in this case, Chavez is blaming the Columbians and the Americans). Happens in the UK, happens in the US, happens in France, Germany... pretty much everywhere. Venezuela is no exception.

Chavez is in a tight spot with his domestic policy - his constitutional reforms were rejected by Venezuelans just a few months ago and there are reports of food shortages in some areas despite the massive increase in public spending over recent years. Some people are unhappy because he hasn't got the basics right, and this issue is being used as a smokescreen. As I said, this is nothing uniquely 'Chavez', it's just one of those things that governments do from time to time.

Colombia appears to be no match for Venezuela militarily.

And another US overseas intervention is going to go over politically like a lead balloon.

I'm not actually that worried though, this seems to be mostly just more grandstanding by Chavez.

[edit on 3/3/08 by xmotex]

Let see the consequences of the troubles with a country that supplies US with oil . . . 4 dollars a gallon of oil by may, 5 dollars a gallon by summer, 10 dollar a gallon by the time the conflict in the making with Venezuela will be or more.

Before Venezuela allow US to control their oil they will blow their oil fields.

But this is the prices for Venezuela messing around with the mighty power of the oil barons of America and Bush.

Or anybody forgot that Venezuela's latest defiant was to go against the wishes of the oil barons trying to hold Venezuela's holdings around the world after the currency change hummm . . .

This all about oil people nothing more but oil.

Can't wait until the US Administration states that they believe this country to be under the influence of ewil tewwowists and may have WMDs...

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I do not think that there will be a war this time. Chavez realises that US will have to intervene and he will be a goner even with the SUs.
Main reason for him to do it (as i see it) is to gain even more power (possibly by declaring marshial law after well planned minor incident on the border) and push through his social/economic reforms, one of which failed at a referendum, not long ago. He wants to be second Castro, after all.

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You forgot that at least he did a referendum, when was the last time US government ask the people in America what we really want.

Hummmm

Anyway the way our nation is heading with the economy the only ones to be screw out of a conflict with Venezuela will be us the American people, but we all know that when it comes to corporate ruled government nobody cares what the little people wants.