Colombia raid into Ecuador causes tension and warnings of war

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Colombia: Evidence suggests Chavez gave FARC $300M
(CNN) -- Evidence found in computers seized in a raid over the weekend suggests that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez recently gave the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia $300 million, Colombia's national police chief said Monday.

Well we know now why Chavez has his panties in a wad over the FARC thing.

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I don't feel that is much of a prof at all, we know that the Saudis fund terrorist groups under the table and our nation's leaders still sleep in bed with the Royal family.

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No, we know the government of Colombia is making a claim.

We have no real way of knowing whether they're telling the truth.

Honestly I wouldn't put supporting FARC beyond Chavez, at all.

On the other hand, I wouldn't put fabricating "evidence" beyond the Colombians or their masters here in the US either...

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The U.S government vowed to fight terrorism wherever it is and go after those countries that support terrorism. Looks like this "evidence" is all they would need to justify launching a few strategically targeted missiles to try and combat the terrorists and the supporters.

Im in agreement, because of the vow to fight terrorists wherever they are, evidence that supports funding can be fabricated ( i already think this happens anyway) it can be fabricated to suit any need, it comes down to who polices the police, we are never going to get to see the evidence first hand so we will always just have their word for it.

And as posters have said, with the oil situation as it is, an excuse is needed to get fingers into the cracks to split everything apart, all that has to be done is to offer a cut and i think a lot of countries will look the other way, esp here in Britain the government needs a way to cut fuel prices now, before we have more blockades, which this time will do a lot more damage than last time.

We are already seeing food prices going higher each day, a loaf of bead now costs £1.30 where i live, at the current exchange rate thats $2.55, and petrol is £1.08 a litre, we here in the UK know the Gov wont cut their 70% tax on fuel to give joe public some relief, companies are going bust every day now because of the fuel prices, so maybe this incident has to be the start of taking what does not belong (oil)

As i said before i am not much when it comes to politics, but this is showing me the real nasty side of the world today.

we need to see the rumoured free energy machines, and it needs to blast onto the world stage so nobody can supress the information before everyone gets to see if its real, then we can go tell the big oil companies where they can shove it, but i do realise what it would do for the world economy,

Its sad i know but if we are going to have a world war, we need to keep this all in mind so hopefully when it ends we can cut off the sicko's causing this, and beat them at their own game and start over with the oil companies a thing of days gone by,

Im so afraid for my kids you know? as im sure most of you are, what a damn mess we brought our kids into, for their sakes lets end it..

Be safe and well everyone if it does hit the fan see ya'll on the other side of it.

There's an unconfirmed rumor that the USS Harry S Truman is on it's way to this region.

Could you perhaps drop us a source? Was this one of those "friend of a friend of a friend whos stationed at so and so location heard his commander ...." type of rumors, or do you have a physical document/news article to the source of the claim?

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I've read it in a local newspaper today. It's in Papiamento, so that's why I didn't post it.

Also a U.S. airforce jet was here on the island last friday (on route to Colombia). There are rumours that it was Airforce 2, but of course it is never certain if it was AF2.

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Actually, it was 10 Battalions. There is a massive difference between a battalion and a Division. A battalion usually has around 700-800 men, a Division could be 10-20,000 men, depending on military doctrine.

Originally posted by xmotex
Colombia appears to be no match for Venezuela militarily.

Colombia's military is not bad by international standards. Many of them are hardened by combat. They suffer somewhat from the kind of motivational problems that are inherent in non-professional armies within their conscripted units. But the professional units are decent soldiers who don't mind suffering in the field to get to the objective. Some are superb soldiers.

With the exception of some special operations units, NCOs do not have a great deal of responsibility which is a typical pattern outside of our military. There is also evidence that this philosophy is changing because of US influence, which will only improve their forces.

The greatest advantage for Venezuela in a conflict like this is superior equipment and a superior air force. Colombian's are aware of this and frequently bemoan Venezuela's technological edge in air and armor. But most of terrain between the two armies would sharply diminish the viability of air and armor.

I think the Colombians would make the Venezuelans pay too stiff a price for any ingression. I think Chavez knows this.

Here's some updates

Mexico criticizes Colombia's Ecuador raid

SAN SALVADOR, March 4 (Reuters) - Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Tuesday added his voice to regional condemnation of Colombia's military strike on rebels inside Ecuador, and called on the two countries to resolve the problem peacefully.

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Spain says will mediate in Andean crisis

MADRID, March 5 (Reuters) - Spain will mediate in a crisis between two of its former colonies after Colombian troops entered Ecuador to kill FARC guerrillas at the weekend, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said on Wednesday.

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Ecuador leader demands regional support over Colombia raid

BRASILIA, March 5 (Reuters) - Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa demanded that the Organization of American States (OAS) take a firm stand against Colombia for its raid on a rebel camp inside Ecuador.

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OAS stops short of condemning Colombia

WASHINGTON, March 5 (Reuters) - The Organization of American States stopped short on Wednesday of condemning Colombia for crossing into Ecuador to kill leftist guerrillas, but said Colombia had violated international law.

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Originally posted by stumason
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Actually, it was 10 Battalions. There is a massive difference between a battalion and a Division. A battalion usually has around 700-800 men, a Division could be 10-20,000 men, depending on military doctrine.

I stand corrected






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Latest update, 4 hours ago:
www.bloomberg.com...

March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Colombia and Ecuador moved closer to settling a dispute stemming from Colombia's cross-border military incursion to kill a rebel leader last week.

Colombia avoided condemnation of its raid in an accord with neighboring Ecuador that was approved by the Organization of American States. The agreement sets a framework for an investigation into the incident.

Since the days of the big drug cartels e.g. Escobar and Rodriguez, the colombian armed forces are required by law to carry with them to any covert operation a civilian public prosecutor and film the whole thing.

Here is the footage from operation Fénix:

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Part 2:

www.youtube.com...

There you can see the whole thing and the now famous computers.




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Uh Oh!!!

Claim:$300 Million from Chavez to FARC a fake!

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Thanks for the Update, it should be on a thread all on its own, see this didn't surprised me at all. beat me.

Once you get to know the kind of people that is in charge of our government here in the US you can pretty deduce the kind of people and shady business deal they have with the so call allies and friends of America.

Columbia is one of those countries that the rest of South America hates but they are America's friend.

Get it. corruption lures corruption they go hand in hand.

Tensions are eased! Woohoo!!

Tensions ease as Chavez promises to pull back troops

The three presidents have met in a summit in St Domingo.

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A death of his great revolutionary buddy is not worth a war.

Nobody's death is worth a war to kill even more people.