Heaven is a PLANET!

PS, when I said your interpretation was radical, I meant only in comparison to the usual interpretation of Heaven by the religious authorities, both Jewish and Christian. I'm sure the Pope and most Chief Rabbis would not accept the interpretation of Heaven as a planet and consider it radical. But then I don't know the Pope or any Chief Rabbis, so I wouldn't like to speak for them.

Apologies if this has been mentioned previously in this thread. I don't have time to read the whole thread right now...

I think it's worth mentioning in this thread the Mormons actually DO believe that Heaven is a planet. They also believe that God currently resides on a planet near a star called Kolob. (Incidentally, they believe that God's actual name is Elohim.)

The highest level of Heaven, (they believe in three sub-levels of Heaven), called the Celestial Kingdom, will actually be here on Earth. They believe that after the Earth is baptised by fire during Armageddon, that the Earth will be cleansed and, as they say, "receive its paradasaical glory." (Not sure if I spelled that right. It's pronounced PAIR-UH-DUH-SIGH-ICKLE. Probably not even a real word...) In other words, they believe Earth will be cleansed and become the Heaven where all the people who are found worthy will live for time and all eternity.

Anyway, I used to be Mormon and your thread reminded me of that, so there you go.

[edit on 2/3/08 by an3rkist]

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au' contraire, mon ame'.....I didn't know yous guyz were shrillers when I first posted.

Now I have little red tags=do not read=full of error.

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Just an FYI. Check the first of this thread where I apologized to these men? for any accidental offenses. It's no big deal, though.

Just typical, IMO.

Take care.

reply to post by Thurisaz


I once listened to 12 tapes by an 80 year old former missionary to the Amazon territory.

He had prayed 7 years, IIRC, to be able to go to Heaven and come back and tell about it. Finally, according to him, he went to Heaven for 5 earth days and returned.

I have been unable to track his story down on the web.

He claimed that Heaven was a sphere a million miles in diameter. . . . and that everything was on the inside of the sphere . . .with the light of God at the center illuminating everything.

I don't recall a lot of the details. But it seemed like his particulars were congruent with a lot f other Heavenly visitations.

Interesting anyway.

Originally posted by deenamarie53
I didn't know yous guyz were shrillers when I first posted...Now I have little red tags=do not read=full of error.

Sorry, what's a "shriller"?

And also - you really won't read something just because it might have factual errors in it? And also, when we're talking about something like this, about reading a text in a certain way and drawing our own conclusions, how can any of our errors even be "factual"? You might be able to correct us on things counting the wrong number of times "Sh'mayim" is used over "Rakiyah", but you can't tell us we're wrong when we say "And this to makes me feel that...". You believe you're guided by the Divine Spirit in your interpretation. Well I believe I', guided by it in mine, too. Why is your interpretation, therefore, less full of error than ours?

Originally posted by an3rkist
Apologies if this has been mentioned previously in this thread.

No it hasn't, so thank you for mentioning it here!

I think it's worth mentioning in this thread the Mormons actually DO believe that Heaven is a planet. They also believe that God currently resides on a planet near a star called Kolob. (Incidentally, they believe that God's actual name is Elohim.)

Fantastic info. Really, it is amazing that my own Brother is a Mormon and I never knew about this!

I will look up for some info regarding Kolob. Thank you!!



EDIT to add some info I found:

In the Latter Day Saint movement, Kolob is a star or planet mentioned in the Book of Abraham as being nearest to the throne or residence of God. The literal existence and the exact nature of Kolob is a controversial topic in Latter Day Saint movement theology Wiki

"Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh." (Book of Abraham, Facsimile 2, Figure #1 explanation.)...more

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I have been unable to track his story down on the web.

Bummer! Would like to have read about it.

You are fortunate to have listened to this, I am always amazed at things that we happen upon and then, can't locate after.

I read a book written by a young Australian Man. It was the best book I have ever read. Spiritual, a little along the lines of Bates "Way of Wyrd" but when I tried to find it to buy it, it is no longer for sale and was so obscure, no chance of finding it again!!

Sounds fascinating... will keep my ears and eyes open now when I google just in case I see something to do with a 80 yr old Missionary's account of Heaven.

cheers




[edit on 3-3-2008 by Thurisaz]

Okay, I will give a quick break down, people will agree and disagree accodingly, that is up to them.

Even if Heaven is in another dimension, it does not mean it does not have aa physical form. I am sure the other dimensions can and do to. An alternate concept could be a alternate universe directly.

The Holy Spirit helps clarify anything we need to know. Both at the moment we are researching and looking for truth which is personal to us, and to any written or spoken word from the Spirit.

The Bible was canonized, which does not mean it is not the Word of God, but that 2 things occured. King James English is very very limited compared to Greek, Hebrew, and even Latin, which have many words which were simply translated into single words which can make their meanins enigmatic. Between context clues and the Holy Spirit, their true meaning can be found. Also a Strong Exhaustive and a Vines Dictionary can be very helpful.

And then for this: God, whoever or whatever he technically is, is still God to us. His power is greater than us, his love is more pure than out own, he died on the cross in the form of a Human to save us from ourselves. Nothing he asks or suggests or commands us to do will ever harm us. He sent his Holy Spirit when himself as Jesus was taken up after the ressurection, and has empowered us to do a great many many things. In the end the where and what does not matter as much as the who and why.

Praise be to God in the Highest, the whole Earth is filled with his Glory.

P.s. My sense in the Spirit, is that there is a focus on things unimportant, and not nessicarily true in the line of this thread. Our number one purpose is to Love God, our second purpose is to Love Each other, and an extension of the Second purpose is to share the Love of God through the Gospel with others. Only what can be verified for certain is really important, and thus it can be said. Heaven is there somewhere, as a planet or a realm, or whatever, and it is the byproduct reward of Loving a God who loved and loves us more. In the end that is all that matters.

As for Bible translations, they are still based on some humans understanding, thus the Holy Spirit to understand and interperut would still need to be present. Sorry for my spelling and grammar, I just woke up, LOL>

And if you all must know, I myself have been to Heaven and Back. You can believe that or not, and I assure you, I was so not concerned about whether it were specifically a planet or not, but I can tell you this. You do see stars and other planets from it, but that it is what it is. Like a place between places.

In many fashions it is hard to describe, and in others not so hard. If you wish to know more I will tell you about my experiences, and how they came about, and as much as I have been given permission to reveal by Jesus to you. Thakies, and much love.

Actually, heaven already exists on the astral plane.. Now with that being said, it is important that heaven will be the "new earth" that John prophesied in the book of revelation. We are entering the age of "birth pangs" now.

In order for the planet to transcribe into what it truly is spiritually, the "anti-Christ" must make his move, which he is preparing to do now. There will be a period of three and a half years of devastation. After the "smoke" clears, then the "new earth" will be present.

Anyway, to make a long story short, in a sense, yes, heaven will be a planet. It will be the renewed earth.

I forgot to mention that my own personal belief is that Heaven and Hell are states of mind, and we can be in either one at any given time throughout this life and the next, (if there even is one). I don't believe in the Christian belief that rewards and punishments are in some far away time and far away place. I believe they are in the here and now.

I believe in only two sins:

1. Denying or hindering any other human being's right to absolute individual freedom.

2. Denying or hindering your own personal right to absolute individual freedom.

These two sins kind of cover things like murder, stealing, etc., though there may be times when such things are justified.

I believe that by committing either of these two sins we keep ourselves in Hell. (Most of us are in Hell now.) When we are living our lives freely, and allowing everyone else to do so, we are in Heaven.

So as far as Heaven being a planet, I don't think so, not literally anyway. But then again, I take the Bible as a bunch of stories, and not as literal history or revelation. Great finds, though! Very interesting...

Originally posted by Theresa
I reading the bible last night came across this wording in Psalms and then in the extensive notes on Psalms in the JV, and thus spent time reading other verses:

The words heaven and heavens are used 718 times in Scripture.
They mean the air, clouds, sky, expanse, stars, and the planet on which God dwells.

The Planet Heaven (2 CO. 12); Created before Earth (Gen 1:1; 2:1; Job 38; 4-7)

Heaven is a created planet like Earth (Gen 1:1; 2:1; PS. 8:3)

Highest Planet (Ph. 1:21; 4-1; Heb. 7:26)

A paradise (2 CO. 12:1-4; Rev. 2:7)

God's dwelling place (TD. 26:15; 1 Ki. 8:30, 39, 43, 49)

Location
...in the north part of the universe, in relationship to the Earth (Isa. 14:12-14; PS. 75:6-7)

...above (1 Ki. 8:23)

...and in the highest part of creation (Job 22:12; Lek. 2:14; Ph. 1:21; 4:10)

Shape
...round (Job 22:14; PS. 19:6)

...like the Earth (Isa. 40:22; Eccl. 1:6)

size
...unknown, but perhaps larger than Earth, judging from the size of its cities (Rev. 21:9-27), from the size of other planets compared to Earth and from the number of inhabitants (Ker. 33:22; Heb. 12:22-23)

...has real cities (Heb. 11:10-15; 13:14; Rev. 21:2, 9-27)

...all material things like we have on Earth (Rom. 1:20; Phil. 2-10)

...Men have been taken to heaven and have lived there in natural bodies for thousands of years (Gen. 5:24; 2 Ki. 2:1, 11; Zach. 14:11-14; Heb. 11:5; Rev. 11:3-11)

And much more can be found in the Bible = NOTES ON PSALMS p, 622, 623 Duke's Annotated Reference Bible, The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text by Finis Jennings Dake.

Why is there so much doubt about life on other planets when the Bible states that God dwells on the planet called Heaven?

I went to Church and I never heard one sermon that depicted Heaven as a planet. It was only ever 'paradise'. Well, why not be specific with the terminology?

It would make a lot of sense too with the fall of man as per Genesis.
They fell from a planet.

Also, does this prove life exists on a Planet other than Earth?
Yes I believe it does.

Here we all are searching for answers and yet, here in the Bible, it states another Planet with life on it exists

From Howie47
That is some very good Bible analyzing. Glad to see some one else who isn't
bound by traditional interpretations.

Also we see in Revelations. The Heavenly city New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven. To be planted on a newly created Earth. That is cleansed of all the evil and contamination of the past.


[edit on 29-2-2008 by Thurisaz]

In the Raelian philosophy, "heaven" refers to the planet of the eternals - The Elohim.

Heaven as a Planet is an interesting theory. It does make sense but then again so does a spirit world. Though my understanding of the spirit world is that it is all around us and the Bible has been clear that the Heavenly Beings came from above so who knows.

There have been many interesting responses to this thread many of who actually have an open mind. I have also seen many references to KJV of the Bible. I do not believe this to be The Bible as it has been shown to have numerous translation errors (then again I'm all the versions due) after all man isn't infallible.

Now I would also like to point out something else I read in this thread. Keep in mind I am in no way trying to insult any one If I come off that way I apologize in advance.

Praying to God and asking the Holy Spirit for our eyes to be opened to the Word does not mean we will receive the truth. The truth we discern is based on our faith. Do you know how many Ministers, Pastors and Priest pray over the scriptures? Probably all of them or at least most of them. Why is then that many of them are saying different things? Why is the Church so divided?

It's simple despite our prayers we still perceive things differently. Many of us are raised believing different things. These beliefs carry over to our children and so on. When a belief is so solidified within someone it is nigh impossible to change that belief or even get them to consider any other possibilities. Those who believe that Heaven is a Spirit Realm or the Fourth Dimension(some say the Tenth) will continue to do so. The same goes for anyone with strong enough faith in their belief. Be it God is a supreme spiritual being or alien.

Now on to one of my own musings. I have had this theory for as long as I can remember. For those of you wondering I'm 29 and I've been a Christian since I was 7. Anyone remember the story of The Tower of Babel? It is the origin of different languages. God saw that the people were building a tower no harm there right? Wrong. "They are building a tower to Heaven we must prevent this because they can." It's a paraphrase I know but the message is the same. "They can" is what perplexed me the most. What an absurd idea; building a Tower to Heaven indeed let's spread wings and take the sky while we're at it.

Then I began to think. What if it were possible? What if man really could build a Tower to Heaven? Of we know we can't do that. The higher we go the thinner the air becomes not mention it's rather cold up there. So what did God mean? My thought is this. In the ancient world man could build such a tower. Why you may ask? Because Heaven was on Earth at that time or at least what man perceived to be Heaven. I believe they could see what they were building to. Perhaps it hovered above them like a ship of some sort.

Like I said it's just a theory but does make one wonder. Though when reading something like that I find myself asking why would God care? What is there to worry about? Then I remember the story of Eden. After Eve and Adam ate of the forbidden fruit God said we must cast them out before they can eat of The Tree of Life and have Eternal Life. Here again God shows caution concerning his creation. What harm could we as his creations possibly do. What are we before The Almighty God?

Then I ask myself,would we not be as equally cautious with one of our own creations? Interesting no?

Sorry if I got a bit off topic. I get carried away sometimes. The possibility that the Heaven man was building a tower to could have been a space ship makes one wonder. Perhaps Heaven could indeed be on another planet.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Dalmar]

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I always wondered who god was talking to in genesis 1/26 "And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by jimmyjackblack

 

God was talking to Jesus and the holy spirit? I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.

What?

I missed this one! I just can't see how in the beginning God was talking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was not begotten at that time?

And Christ had not been cruxified at that time; the Holy Spirit was left to comfort believers when Christ was resurrected so how can God be talking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit before they existed in the OT when God stated: "let's make man in our image'.

Sorry, but I am not sure of the answer you provide to Gimme_Some_Truth.



[edit on 3-3-2008 by Thurisaz]

Well I talked to my dad last night (he's a former pastor) he has a Dake Bible, he told me it's basicly one mans misinterpretation of the Word of God, I agree. I think lots of people might be getting mislead by this and possibly joining cults. Plus, I feel you have had some sorta personal experience with "aliens", please u2u me if you have and I'll let you in on a little secret about these guy's I don't think many people know. This will be my last comment on this thread, thanks.

Peace,

-Jimmy

The creation is divided into 3 divisions, purely spiritual (permanent), spiritual material (temporary but where there is more spirit than matter) and material spiritual (temporary where matter (darkness) prevails. As the Supreme Being is all merciful, there are many heavens where a spirit may reside temporarily in the sojourn within the realms of matter. All orb are populated, the spirits on the sun occupy bodies of a higher order than the human form. Their world (the sun) is much more spiritually intense. But these heavens in this region dominated by matter or heavens in the spiritual material worlds are nothing compared to the pure location in the purely spiritual creations.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
I missed this one! I just can't see how in the beginning God was talking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was not begotten at that time?

And Christ had not been cruxified at that time; the Holy Spirit was left to comfort believers when Christ was resurrected so how can God be talking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit before they existed in the OT when God stated: "let's make man in our image'.

When I went to Sunday school as a young Mormon, we were taught that there were actually two creations, (maybe more). The first was a spiritual creation, where God created everything in its spiritual form. Then, he created the physical form for all beings.

(I do not recall if the scriptures explaining this process were from the Bible or the Book of Mormon. It amazes me the Mormon religion seems to have explanations for a lot of the holes I find in orthodox Christianity. Then it fails and even more holes are created in its own, though...)

Anyway, that's how we were told it worked, and that may kind of explain how God could have been talking to Jesus, though this all assumes that any of this is true... Up to you what you believe.

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Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by ReginaAdonnaAaron

 

I am not relying on my interpretations of Scripture

All of the above Scripture is from the Annotated Referenced Bible.

I have never heard of the Annotated Referenced Bible, but from it's name, I'd deduce that it has notes and cross references that are the opinion (right or wrong) of those who annotated it. Those annotations are not Scripture, even if the translation is a good (accurate) one.