New Abu Ghraib Images (WARNING: very disturbing)

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Silenceisall

 

Everyone is aware of what happened in Abu Ghraib, and the humiliation that some detainees faced. My question is what exactly do you hope to accomplish by beating this horse? Do you see something positive coming from continually fixating on this? Goodwill from the Arab World? Goodwill in the Western World? Shall we continuously wallow in this crap, on move on? Maybe if we look at some more beheadings, that'll make people feel better too.

That's right Blue, let's only post the good news stories about Iraq and the "war on terrorism." If there are newly available photos to do with this disgusting display of human cruelty in the name of a delusional cultural and racial superiority, then I say let them be shown. I am not trying to stir up more hatred--which at this point is probably not even possible--I am trying to show pro war members what war means.



[edit on 28-2-2008 by Silenceisall]

reply to post by BlueRaja


I'm not saying a majority would.

But I sure as hell would, and I'd keep at it until the invaders left.

[edit on 2/28/08 by xmotex]

reply to post by Silenceisall


What I'd like to see is balanced news. You seem to want to focus on negativity. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that war is a pleasant thing. It'd just be nice to see folks acknowledge positive stories, and things that are productive in addition to mudslinging.

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Well your view would be a minority view even among Iraqis then. I wonder how you would feel about your neighbors being killed by other Iraqis or foreign fighters, trying to impose their will on you.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Silenceisall

 

What I'd like to see is balanced news. You seem to want to focus on negativity. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that war is a pleasant thing. It'd just be nice to see folks acknowledge positive stories, and things that are productive in addition to mudslinging.

When the negativity is an elephant in the room, sometimes it is hard not to focus on it. This war on terror is the source of the negativity that is bothering you, and my single post of one item that draws attention to how barbaric it is, is an attempt to wake certain people up who are unaware of what the source of the negativity is.

reply to post by more_serotonin_pls

this country was established on violence. thats how we became the most powerful nation on the planet in only 200yrs as where it has taken other's 1000's of yrs. but as seem's the patern lately in our country the bleeding heart wimp's want give that all away.
if ending the war and ending torture of the scum who threaten our very existance were to mean you would have to give up your starbucks ,your wife's breast uagmentation surgury and your ford expidetion or your h2 hummer you would let it go on until you figured out another alternative wouldn't you..
sign waivers dont make nation's people of action do. so if you dont like the way we handle things here than move to the very muslim country where the very people you are trying to protect are ,and help them out of this situation they are in ...

reply to post by Silenceisall


Abu Ghraib isn't the source of negativity or barbarity. There are far more positive stories out there than negative, but they don't sell newspapers or garner viewership on TV. Fixating on negativity won't solve anything. What about the negative stories of ethnic fighting, or of Islamic extremists trying to intimidate regular Iraqis using Taliban like tactics? You seem to only want to mention negative stories if they are caused by the US. It's easy to point out problems-how about offering solutions instead.

This thread is simply amazing. WhY in the world are most of you so upset with the way a few of Islamofasists are treated? What about the tens and hundreds of thousands they maim, torture, kill and otherwise cause untold misery and yet no condemnation of their actions. WAR IS What It IS. If you think that this kind of treatment won't happen to you or your families, you have been brain washed into the Left's Hype.

I was in Nam and saw worse. I know most of our Military are doing as good a job as any Army in the world, Yet we believe all are evil?

Come on, Get a job or do something creative.... Sorry but I just couldn't let this abomination of our role in IraQ pass without my 2 cents.

reply to post by BlueRaja


Here's a solution. The US should get most of its troops out of Iraq, a country that never should have been invaded in the first place. This would help the US financial position, while allowing thousands of soldiers to come home to their familes before they all go crazy with shell shock and PTS syndrome. How's that? But maybe that wouldn't work, because then the US would have to give up the oil to the Russians and Chinese.



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That made me literally sick in the pit of my stomach...Incredible in this stage of our 'advancement' that this type of neanderthal-like brutality and immaturity is still prevelant. The very worst of the human species.

Originally posted by Silenceisall
I am not trying to stir up more hatred--which at this point is probably not even possible--I am trying to show pro war members what war means.
[edit on 28-2-2008 by Silenceisall]

Well, I don't need to find pictures on the internet to know what a war really means, having actually been over there.

Torture at Abu Ghraib? Nope.

Prisoner abuse? You betcha. And the ones that committed it were punished for their actions. I wish they had gotten stiffer sentences, tho.

Anyone know about the four US Soldiers that are currently being held POW? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller??

What about the US POWs that were shown on TV to have bullet holes in their foreheads from executions? Anyone know about them? Or even care?

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Silenceisall
I am not trying to stir up more hatred--which at this point is probably not even possible--I am trying to show pro war members what war means.
[edit on 28-2-2008 by Silenceisall]

Well, I don't need to find pictures on the internet to know what a war really means, having actually been over there.

Torture at Abu Ghraib? Nope.

Prisoner abuse? You betcha. And the ones that committed it were punished for their actions. I wish they had gotten stiffer sentences, tho.

Anyone know about the four US Soldiers that are currently being held POW? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller??

What about the US POWs that were shown on TV to have bullet holes in their foreheads from executions? Anyone know about them? Or even care?

I don't know how you can say what is being shown in those photos is not torture, but I guess you have higher standards for cruelty. As for the American POWs--who I feel for--they were mislead by an irresponsible administration who played on their patriotism and loyalty, or poverty and lack of education, to lead them into a war which had only one goal--secure oil. Read Shock Doctrine by Neomi Kline, and you will understand the full scope of what was done to the Iraqi people.

Careful jerico,,,, people on this thread don't seem to believe us when we say we've been there. They don't seem to believe that there are very good people over there fighting and that we are all tyrants.

ok i have seen enough. does this mean that all americans are evil? imagine al qaeda seeing this video...it will empower them. certainly its hypocritical to say that saddam did that and that and al qaeda cuts peoples heads of or something when america does the same exact thing but in a different perverted way. what would turn good soldiers into evil. were they spoiled brats or something who didnt know any better, like a highschool prank that went too far. What was their motive and enjoyment out of this i would really like to talk to one of these prison guards to get some answers.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
Careful jerico,,,, people on this thread don't seem to believe us when we say we've been there. They don't seem to believe that there are very good people over there fighting and that we are all tyrants.

No one has said that. I am not saying soldiers are evil. Governments run by guys who actually don't risk their lives are the problem. No one is attacking American soldiers in general here, so drop it.





[edit on 28-2-2008 by Silenceisall]

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So the Russians and Chinese don't have access to Iraqi oil? What do you think the consequences of simply pulling out of Iraq would be? If you think things are bad now, the consequences of doing that would be far worse. I don't want to see us over there indefinitely, but there have to be benchmarks attained before certain courses of action are taken, if we want to leave in a responsible manner.

Focusing on our shortcomings, and negative press serves nothing but to give aid and comfort to those that oppose us. It's counterproductive, and keeps emotions high.

reply to post by Christian Voice


Man, every single time you post, it's a direct attempt to inflame the conversation. You show absolutely no interest in a constructive conversation. I've read this entire thread, and all I can say is - Thanks Goodness Silence has the patience to put up with your garbage.

hey there are wimpy wishy washy coorparate leaders who don't belive in war but would pay big money to have someone do those exact things to them in private.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Silenceisall

 

So the Russians and Chinese don't have access to Iraqi oil? What do you think the consequences of simply pulling out of Iraq would be? If you think things are bad now, the consequences of doing that would be far worse. I don't want to see us over there indefinitely, but there have to be benchmarks attained before certain courses of action are taken, if we want to leave in a responsible manner.

I said pull most of the soldiers out. Now that the deed has been done I understand that a percentage of them must remain there for the near term...maybe longer. BTW, the only benchmark that Bush-Cheney are interested in is full oil production and export.