Middle Class May Be Subject To Food Rations, Warns UN

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Do you just make up stuff and hope its true?

No. The truth is frightening enough.

Why would the wealthy elites as you call them want to change?

The elites like the Bilderbergers saw there was a profit to be made. It also fits with their agenda to reduce the food supply so as to create food shortages and more deaths. They want most of us dead so the rest can be controlled. It won't be just the food; their plans include things like Avian Flu and more wars and civil unrest.

The people who came up with the idea of using our food supply for alternative energy is not the wealth but radical environmentalists who have nothing better to do with their life.

No. They came up with the concept of biofuel which could be made from the grasses cut alongside the roadways of North America or made from human waste or made from industrial hemp. The idea of redirecting food crops to fuel is something you can thank the elites for not environmentalists. This particular dishonour goes to Monsanto and Archer-Daniels-Midland among others.

Originally posted by mybigunit
Yeah the elites have really picked up the ball over the past 15 years and ran with it.

I don't know what you are trying to say with that statement.

First off I am a believer in Regan's trickle down theory.

Well, that's great! There is hope for you yet.

The big boys got the tax breaks they were looking for and what did they do with them? They didn't pay people more money because disposable income with inflation added into it has gone no where in 15 years.

Sorry, but they did pay people more money and they also payed MORE people. This is why more and more people have been moving from poor to middle class and middle class to rich.

The problem has been government spending. Its totally out of control and the Democrats will just make it worse with more taxes and more government and more spending.

Oh they hired a lot of people yes unemployment is low. We have also shipped a ton of jobs over seas and brought in all sorts of illegal slave labor.

Yes, unfortunately jobs have been going overseas, but why? Not because of the illegal slave labor but because our government is suffocating big business with useless regulation and taxes.

I am a conservative and I know our views on the economy works and works well. However, the past 10 years or so, our elected officials have been more like liberals instead of conservatives. People who should know better than to increase taxes, regulation and spending.

so question if there is a ration on food....what happens to all the mcdonalds, wendys, burger kings and other fast food companys????? do they just go outta business causing even more job loss and problems????

Originally posted by rcwj75
Dang...I have to start paying attention to my grocery bill..lol. When your single and no kids the reciept ends up in the trash and the worries don't hit home like they should.

Now thank god I got my MRE stash..lol Maybe i'll invest in a few more cases.

Is this a way to interject fear...sure is...is it a reality...I don't think so...atleast not yet. Could it become reality...the downslope we are on as a country, and with the population of this planet exploding...oh boy...it could get interesting!!!

MREs are okay but you'd be better off (and it won't cost as much) to get big boxes (canisters?) of slow cooking oatmeal (5 minutes or more). I know military commissaries sell the reallllllllly old fashioned kind in a can, but it's more expensive, takes a great deal longer to cook, and is hard to find in some places.

Just generic brand 5 minute oatmeal in big containers.
Powdered milk in big boxes.
Dehydrated coconut flakes.
Dehydrated blueberries.
Bran, such as granola, in big bags.
Sea salt or himalayan crystal salt in pea-sized chunks.
Coconut oil.
Water and big resealable water pitcher.
Medicines and first aid kit, including surgical masks (box of 50 at drug store for 7 bucks)
Alcohol, like whiskey.
And generic reconstituted lemon juice.

That just about covers everything you'd need to survive fairly well, with all the roughage and essential minerals and vitamins, for many months, especially if purchased in bulk.

oh and in the event you can't pay your electric bill, it's always good to have an inexpensive barbecue grill for cooking. can use wadded up paper and kindling like branches and sticks, to get it cooking. put pan you intend to cook with on grill and have at it.

also read on a survival site, that you can filter your water from almost any impurities related to disasters like nuclear fall out, by letting the water sit in a container for an hour or so, and scooping the first few inches off the top. particles settle to the bottom. so if you can't pay for your water filtration system, there's another cheap option (really cheap... free even).






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Originally posted by Pellevoisin
reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

 

Without George W. Bush getting on the Ethanol/biofuel bandwagon we would not have had the enormous transformation in the destination of crops in North America. His endorsement alone of a particular kind of biofuel tipped the scale toward turning your food crops into fuel.

What's your point?
George Bush caved into the enviro wackos and he is no elite.

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I think what Blaine is saying is that people are spending more money on unneeded things such as say a beamer or some massive gas guzzling SUV. Not to mention that I can walk into most homes around here of people who claim they are hurting for money yet they have nicer things than myself. It is more about priorities and sadly many now days do not have theirs in the right place.

My family eats for a month on probably around $400 - $500 including our extra trips to the store throughout the week. This includes everything my household needs to run from pet food to diapers and our food. I personally would rather be able to afford and make the payments on my smaller home and still feed my family than have all these great things. After all I cannot eat HDTVs or the iphone.

I have a basic cell phone that I will eventually drop as my son grows older. Both my wife and I drive small cars to help with gas hers even has a 100,000 mile/ 10 year warranty on it. It might not be high class or supper sporty but it is safe and gets from point A to point B.

Just because we can have nice things does not mean that it is wise to go spending happy as many Americans have done.

I will also agree with Blaine that some people just don’t want to work when they can get a free hand out from the rest of us. Others refuse to work for less than a set amount. If it comes to it some money is better for putting food on the table than no money not putting anything there.

Yes food costs have risen I have noticed this, but at the moment they are not drastically effecting my lifestyle. My wife don’t make huge amounts of money but live in a way that keeps our home heated and food in our stomachs. If people would stop using credit cards as “free/extra” money they would be much better off.

I’m not saying you are doing any of this but many Americans are. Blaine seems to be pretty much spot on with what was posted.

Raist

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
The elites like the Bilderbergers saw there was a profit to be made. It also fits with their agenda to reduce the food supply so as to create food shortages and more deaths. They want most of us dead so the rest can be controlled. It won't be just the food; their plans include things like Avian Flu and more wars and civil unrest.

First of all, this entire paragraph is your opinion and another theory which is another conspiracy theory.

No. They came up with the concept of biofuel which could be made from the grasses cut alongside the roadways of North America or made from human waste or made from industrial hemp. The idea of redirecting food crops to fuel is something you can thank the elites for not environmentalists. This particular dishonour goes to Monsanto and Archer-Daniels-Midland among others.

Look, your whole premise of the elites wanting and starting the food supply for energy campaign is just wrong.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

What's your point?
George Bush caved into the enviro wackos and he is no elite.

Oh dear... He didn't cave. He saw an opportunity to further his Family's goals: make profits and make people suffer in line with the Bilderberger protocols. He is the very scion of the elite.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Oh dear... He didn't cave. He saw an opportunity to further his Family's goals: make profits and make people suffer in line with the Bilderberger protocols. He is the very scion of the elite.

Dude, think about what you are saying. They are making all the money they need plus some via oil. They don't need to invest in alternative energy. Why would they waste their money? If they would invest in other areas, it would be in more profitable and reliable businesses.

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

I don't know what you are trying to say with that statement.

I was being sarcastic. The rich have gotten way richer in the past 15 years as the middle class is being wiped out. I truly do believe in the theory but it never works because the people at the top keep the savings in tax dollars and dont apply it to the theory. This is proved in the production numbers. Production is out the roof while wages have gone no where and this is from the governments own data.

Yes, unfortunately jobs have been going overseas, but why? Not because of the illegal slave labor but because our government is suffocating big business with useless regulation and taxes.
I am a conservative and I know our views on the economy works and works well. However, the past 10 years or so, our elected officials have been more like liberals instead of conservatives. People who should know better than to increase taxes, regulation and spending.

I dont disagree with you the government does regulate areas that they shouldnt to much and areas they should not enough. I find it ironic the banking industry one of the more regulated industries is the industry having all the issues.

I am a registered independent and voted for bush in 2000 no one in 2004. The theories of repeubs work if they are used correctly but they have not been the wealthy have been reaping the benifits and not using them where it was supposed to go.

Yes our government spends way to much money and comes down to we need to fix our whole monetary system. The government way to much interest on money that it shouldnt have to if we have a better monetary policy.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Look, your whole premise of the elites wanting and starting the food supply for energy campaign is just wrong.

I am absolutely 100 percent correct in what I have written, but I cannot vouch for your interpretation of what I have written. Best wishes for your sufficient food storage!

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Dude, think about what you are saying. They are making all the money they need plus some via oil. They don't need to invest in alternative energy. Why would they waste their money? If they would invest in other areas, it would be in more profitable and reliable businesses.

You are the one who needs to start thinking. They invest in it because they want food shortages and are happy to make some money off of a gullible public.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Oh dear... He didn't cave. He saw an opportunity to further his Family's goals: make profits and make people suffer in line with the Bilderberger protocols. He is the very scion of the elite.

Dude, think about what you are saying. They are making all the money they need plus some via oil. They don't need to invest in alternative energy. Why would they waste their money? If they would invest in other areas, it would be in more profitable and reliable businesses.

This is part of the problem to. We have to suck a$$ to the Saudis and beg them for oil because we are dependent on them and Chavez. For a nation as great as ours we should be leading the way in alternative energy. Never happen why? To much profit for the elites in oil. Wake up guy.

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I do not think this even applies to the US. Even though prices are rising and will continue to do so for quite some time, the last time I checked the UN had no jurisdiction within the US.

It would be nice if they actually focused on what they were created for:

The purpose of the United Nations is to bring all nations of the world together to work for peace and development, based on the principles of justice, human dignity and the well-being of all people.

Then again there are those that feel the United Nations is here to do nothing more than ruin America’s sovereignty as it brings war and chaos to the world.

Just more sure that you do not eat the wrong plant/berry while living off the land.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
I am absolutely 100 percent correct in what I have written, but I cannot vouch for your interpretation of what I have written.

Ok, you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

Best wishes for your sufficient food storage!

Thanks but I don't need any wishes because things are NOT that bad currently. It's all hype. Our huge economy always goes through ups and downs and if the government stays out of it, things always improve and get much better.

Everyone who is noticing the cost's of just about everything going up, yes indeed you are correct. There is no way in hell a loaf of bread should be $3.50 and a gallon of milk in my area is over $5. I make a pretty decent living and I still have trouble paying everything up to par each month. And Blaine, Im sure things may be a little different up there in Alaska, but here on the main land wages are most definately not increasing along with cost of living. If anything they are declining at a ridiculous rate and people all over are feeling the crunch.

It is irritating because I left California and moved back home to the south east where I could afford to actually live, and wow if things are'nt getting to be just as bad down here. What's worse is we have thousands of illegal aliens pooring into our state ALMOST as fast as the displaced Northerners who are migrating down here in hordes looking for a lower cost of living. Soon this state will be too expensive for regular people to live in just like NY and MA and there will be nowhere left to go except out of the country.

Here is a reality check for you if you think that things are in line where they should be. I live in an 1800 sq' home, everything in this house is electric except for the heat, which is natural gas. The water heater, the dryer, everything is electric in the entire house except the heating source. I am gone on average between 9-12 hours per day and when I am away from home the heat is turned almost off completely.

This past month my natural gas bill was over $220!!!!!! And I barely use the ****. I have been checked for a gas leak, have had the heating unit evaluated, and nope, no issues. When I asked the gas company how this could be justified, the lady told me that natural gas prices were hiked up this year due to high demand. Sound familiar? EXXON...MOBILE...SHELL.....they all do the same thing and that is gouge gouge gouge until they bleed you dry.

The question that I must ask myself is this. If I am making a good income, have no kids to support and no real outside expenses to incurr and I am STILL having to stretch it each month just to pay my bills and get by....how in the world is the guy with a wife and three kids who is making $12 an hour even surviving? How is the elderly couple on a fixed income even making out month to month and still putting food on the table without being evicted?

My 74 year old neighbor told me the other day that she is having to work part time at a fast food restaurant because she only draws $1800 mo from her pension and social security to live on, and her insurance that she needs to help fill her prescriptions each month costs almost $800 mo. She worked for over thirty years as a school teacher, and at age 74 she is part of the working poor. To me it doesn't seem right.

I have an idea...Maybe I will move to Mexico where I can find a good manufacturing job a cheap house and then quietly sneak back over the border to the U.S. when I need some free health care. Isn't the system just wonderful ?

All who want to debate this come to the chat on skeptic overlords room. So many responses makes it easier to debate.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
It's all hype. Our huge economy always goes through ups and downs and if the government stays out of it, things always improve and get much better.

But the government doesn't stay out of it, and, whilst a good portion of this is hype because those who control the media use fear as a principal control mechanism, another part of this is deadly serious. Deadly serious.

Store food while you can.

Originally posted by mybigunit
This is part of the problem to. We have to suck a$$ to the Saudis and beg them for oil because we are dependent on them and Chavez. For a nation as great as ours we should be leading the way in alternative energy. Never happen why? To much profit for the elites in oil. Wake up guy.

Actually, you are making my point. I guess you missed what I was discussing. Since the elites are making crazy profits via oil, why would they be the one's to initiate alternative energy. Answer: they would not.

We don't need alternative energy to become independent from the middle east. There is a ton of oil not in the middle east and a lot of it here in the U.S. However, again the enviro crazies prevent us from drilling for oil in our own country and offshore. They also prevent us from building more oil refineries which would help bring the costs down. They also are preventing from building new nuclear plants and other such proven alternate energy like clean coal.

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and you are making my point oil is only going to last another 100 years or so. So why not be proactive and come up with a new energy before anyone else that is sustainable that we could sell to other countries and make big profits and give to us for cheap and do it that way instead of sucking on the Saudi titty. And if Bush really wanted to drill in Alaska he would in a minute or anywhere else around here. He doesnt do it not because of the tree huggers but because the Saudi Prince puts a lot of money in Bush's coffers to keep our business. Just a fact. So who suffers we do. Who gets richer the elites do. Get my drift?

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