Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'

Originally posted by filmmaker45
Thats one huge hyperbole.

I support Obama. I used to support Paul but, I now see he has no chance in hell. I agree with Obama's views the most, and I think he is the best canidate.

But yeah, WAY over stated. Obama seems like a good man, but he's not the second coming!

Ron Paul may not win but I will vote for him as I dont vote for EVIL and dont change my stance just because he may not win..


FILMMAKER45 :OH my candidate is going to lose so I will switch sides to say I voted for the winner. Makes you sound like you are brainwashed like the rest of the sheeple..OOBBAAAMAAAAAA

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Ok, I'm glad I wasn't as rude as some Paul bots.

First off, I'm only 16 man. I can't even vote. But I still keep up with our political process and I still put out support for canidates.

Obama has always been my fall back.

I went to a Ron Paul rally here in my community. I shook the mans hand for goodness sake. He is STILL one of my heros, and I think he is a great man. I still put out his message and, I think he has accomplished what he probably always set out to do in this election.

So back to the fact that I can event vote, this doesn't matter. But I agree with Obama on a good bit of things, minus a few others. I like him, and I think he's a good canidate. No I didn't just jump over to him because he looks like the winner. It's called diversity, and he's always been one of my other canidates.

If your going to argue with my points of view please say more then "OBAMA EVIL- PAUL 08!" Other then that I have no time to bother with you.



[edit on 25-2-2008 by filmmaker45]

Hasn't anyone noticed that the same guy who has bragged about arming the Middle East (AL QAEDA & Osama Bin Laden) is now a foreign policies adviser of Barack Obama? The guy that is responsible for founding the Trilateral Commission together with mister NWO, David Rockefeller himself?

That's one of the main reasons not to vote for Barack Obama.

Check out my thread here: Barack Obama = CFR puppet

And this here:“Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by TheBandit795]

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Very nice info post, thanks Bandit.

I feel the more we learn about Obama the less comfortable we'll be.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
More team mentality by some of the biggest players on the field. This election is now no longer about real "politics" but personal ones, as they've been hoping to acheive for awhile now. It's no longer about healthcare, economy, the war, but who presents themselves better, who looks the sharpest, who has the most wit. The blinders have been put on and as this petty bickering, especially between Obama and Clinton achieve absolutely nothing, they themselves are making critical headway into American households. These people are really getting fired up... For nothing.. Absolutely nothing. But we know who we're going to vote for if we're a woman, male, white, black. With the petty quibbling, all of America are reshaping their values around these two people saying the exact same thing; nothing. Empty politics. Just as they're supposed to be.

I disagree. I support Obama publicly and why do you ask, here's why and it has nothing to do with him being male, black, etc. I support him because he has done a lot already in Illinois, unlike other choices we have Obama doesn't take $$ from lobbyists and is getting supported by regular people like myself who shed money out of their pocket, be broke till next pay day so I can know I did what I could to support someone that needs it.

For one, Obama supports alternative/cleaner energies to help free the US from foreign oil, to make new jobs in these areas, and to clean up the environment.

Seems like you've asked the wrong or uninformed people why they support him. I could go on for a long time, but I'll keep this somewhat short.
Next reason, healthcare. He's already gotten healthcare to almost 100,000 people in Illinois who didn't have it before. He has a plan to get everyone covered, not for free unless you qualify. For a guy like me who has insurance, my premium will go down. who can be upset about that? Pharmaceutical corporations and Insurance providers who charge a ton for mal-practice insurance, part of the reason healthcare is up so much in the first place.

Not only that, he's making Government spending OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, for example we could see exactly how much $$ is gong to Haliburton, and all of what I've mentioned Barack has made totally public.

Read his Blueprint For Change and you can see what he's done so far regarding each and every issue, and then you can see his plan of what to do about it when he is President. Some talk, others do. Barack Obama has already done a bunch, imagine what good could come from having qualified officials in office, no more Hurricane Katrina bulls**t. You get the idea.

Also, if there's a reason not to support Barack Obama, point it out! I have yet to see a reason to not support him.

"Yes, we can!"

Politics -- FUN!

Hopefully Farakhan's support is a kiss of death for Obama.

I think if you're not eating from the American Dream you'd be hard pressed not to back Obama. It seems to me like Hillary and Barak touch all of the emotional issues and work the masses -- for example, talking about greedy bankers taking advantage of greedy people trying to afford a home they have no business buying in the first place with 110% financing and adjustable rates. Talking about college students getting worthless degrees in Middle English Languages or Basket Weaving while racking up $100 K in financial aid, then complaining about having to pay it back -- when all they can get is some crappy admin job that hardly pays the rent! And don't forget the panacea of wonderful living -- free health care! Hey I'm sick as hell but can't get in to see a doctor for a week. And my favorite -- The gas companies are evil! We're going to tax them to death! Brilliant. With the way he's railing on about taxing corporations, nobody in a corporate board room is going to want to do business in America if Senator Obama gets into office. Foreign policy? crickets chirping. Just wait -- you think the turbin pics of Obama are bad -- the Republicans get ahold of him and he's finito.

I could care less what Europe thinks of the U.S. They certainly are loving our exchange rate. Remember, from your favorite member of the CFR, Trilateralist Kissenger and I'm paraphrasing and I don't think he was the 1st to point out -- "A nation does not have friends, only interests".

Look I understand people make poor decisions -- and I understand that some of us have had some pretty rotten things happen to us -- I just cannot get behind this guy. Mccain and Clinton do not float my boat either. Does that mean I'm disenfranchised? nope -- I think if you believe you're disenfrachised then you are. Personally, I'll never give in to that kind of defeatist b.s.

Originally posted by vision
Also, if there's a reason not to support Barack Obama, point it out! I have yet to see a reason to not support him.

Zbigniew Brzezinski

reply to post by TheBandit795
I agree, that made my jaw drop last week when I read about it. I hope that he listens wisely, or perhaps makes a 2nd choice and selects a different foreign policy adviser. Good reply, and I do agree. Who's more NWO? Does NWO/Bilderberg own em all? I thought Obama was a wild card they weren't expecting to do well and that Clinton was their candidate of choice.

Besides that, Obama seems alright haha!

I have serious doubts about Obama and his ability to change anything on a fundamental level here in the US. Keep in mind that even if he were to get elected somehow, he would be faced with the reality of fighting with a hostile and partial congress and senate step for step with any new plan that he wished to implement. What this means for us regular folks is more gridlock, less change, basically more of the same. A political stale mate.

The one thing that I am certain of here is that there would be absolutely no faster way to disinfranchise and scare away moderate white voters than by having the public endorsement of the likes of an ignorant, hate mongering racist like Louis Farrahkan. The very mention of his name inspires disdain and disgust amongst most voting age white people.

It would be the same as John McCain being publically endorsed as the great new messiah of the Republican party by David Duke and the KKK. Not exactly the face that you want to portray when approaching election time.

And honestly I am becoming more afraid of the backlash that will result if Obama does NOT win the election, with that many people angry and looking to lash out we could all be placed slap into the middle of full scale race riots. Some of these Obama folks strike me as a tad bit fanatical to say the least.

Originally posted by Quazga

Who did I insult?

Just every white person living today.

"Why shouldn't he exclude whites? Farakhan has no concern for the oppressors of the last 500 years. "

But once again, who did I insult?

What ignorance... You just knowingly insulted every white person living today who had nothing to do with past atrocities by clumping all whites over the past 500 years together, as"one." Your racism knows no end, as you conveniently mention whites, while disregarding pass atrocities by different races. As has already been pointed out, everyones "had it," and still does even today. Get over it.

"But then again, your perspective is one that is classic "White". "

That is blatant racism in itself.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by West Coast]

Originally posted by Quazga
Why shouldn't he exclude whites? Farakhan has no concern for the oppressors of the last 500 years. He's concerned for those who have been victimized over the last 500 years.

Farakhan is 500 years old, and so are his supporters???? Really, somebody stop the press!

Do one chum, no white guilt here, all races and religions have persecuted each other, black on black tribal persecution is all the rage these days- north africans enslaved white christians for hundreds of years, jews made slaves out of blacks, arabs made slaves out of blacks *and treated them worse than US did*


Farakhan is a non entity, and if you think the chinese, indians and mexicans are "pro black", you are mistaken, try going to China and being a black man ha ha, think you will find this "ANTI WHITE" brotherhood is a myth inside a few deluded black racists

But then again, your perspective is one that is classic "White".

Ironically a racist comment- what a buffoon!


No, mine is classic anti-racist, yours is a child like, "wah wah wah" whitey owes me everything mentality prevalent among some blacks- it is attitudes like that which explains the underperformance of blacks, well done

[edit on 26-2-2008 by blueorder]

reply to post by vision

I disagree. I support Obama publicly and why do you ask, here's why and it has nothing to do with him being male, black, etc. I support him because he has done a lot already in Illinois..

I can agree with this. Though, you have to understand that everybody isn't from Illinois, nor do they consider his proficiency as a Senator while ignorantly handing over their vote for him. Same goes for Clinton.

..unlike other choices we have Obama doesn't take $$ from lobbyists and is getting supported by regular people like myself who shed money out of their pocket, be broke till next pay day so I can know I did what I could to support someone that needs it.

I think Nailer had made it pretty apparent that you may have your facts a little skewed. All the "front runners" are driven by money and power. Although, I do prefer Obama over McCain, but from what I can tell, they're all being paid for by the same wallet.

BARACK OBAMA (D)

Top Contributors

Goldman Sachs -- $421,763
Ubs Ag -- $296,670
Lehman Brothers -- $241,870
National Amusements Inc -- $245,843
JP Morgan Chase & Co -- $243,848
Sidley Austin LLP -- 226,491
Citigroup Inc -- 221,578
Exelon Corp -- 221,517
Skadden, Arps Et Al -- $196,420
Jones Day -- $181,996
Harvard University -- $172,324
Citadel Investment Group -- $171,798
Time Warner -- $155,383
Morgan Stanley -- $155,196
Google Inc -- $152,802
University of California -- $143,029
Jenner & Block -- $136,565
Kirkland & Ellis -- $134,738
Wilmerhale Llp -- $119,245
Credit Suisse Group -- $118,250

Compared to

Hillary Clinton (D)

Top Contributors

DLA Piper -- $471,750
Goldman Sachs -- $413,361
Morgan Stanley -- $362,700
Citigroup Inc -- $350,895
Lehman Brothers -- $241,870
JP Morgan Chase & Co -- $214,880
EMILY's List -- $213,266
National Amusements Inc -- $210,010
Kirkland & Ellis -- $179,676
Greenberg Traurig Llp -- $177,800
Skadden, Arps et al -- $167,796
Merrill Lynch -- $165,042
Cablevision Systems -- $145,313
Time Warner -- $144,977
Microsoft Corp -- $143,459
Bear Stearns -- $141,835
Latham & Watkins -- $138,598
Patton Boggs -- $137,200
Ernst & Young -- $126,865
PricewaterhouseCoopers -- $121,939





You're not seeing any similarities are you?

Though a lot of those corporations listed above are Jewish owned, I don't personally believe in the ideology that all Jews have ill intentions, or are somehow connected to the downfall of western civilization, but speaking for AIPAC has to be the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. I know this can enhance your political career, but I'm worn out by sell out politicians, and if you've become some sort of errand boy for AIPAC, than you've already failed your country by bowing before a foreign lobbying group. Especially if it's a group that's as scandalous as AIPAC. We need someone with gumption and unshakable integrity regardless the situation. As you see him on the podium, it negates any and all respect I may have had for him.

For one, Obama supports alternative/cleaner energies to help free the US from foreign oil, to make new jobs in these areas, and to clean up the environment.

Yeah, almost everybody wants alternative/cleaner energy, unless they're in the pocket of OPEC. But does he really want change? Considering his Cap and trade he's proposed for cleaner air isn't going to fall back on anybody but the middle and lower class in the long run. Inflation on goods will skyrocket, only rivaled by the carbon tax he's going to usher along with it. I can't tell at this point if he knows it's going to inherently fail, or if he really thinks the "cap and trade" will work to clean up our air. And ethanol proposals he's pushing will not work, as ethanol is far from a viable source of energy, but we'll save that for another discussion.

Seems like you've asked the wrong or uninformed people why they support him. I could go on for a long time, but I'll keep this somewhat short.
Next reason, healthcare. He's already gotten healthcare to almost 100,000 people in Illinois who didn't have it before. He has a plan to get everyone covered, not for free unless you qualify. For a guy like me who has insurance, my premium will go down. who can be upset about that? Pharmaceutical corporations and Insurance providers who charge a ton for mal-practice insurance, part of the reason healthcare is up so much in the first place.

I haven't personally asked "anybody" about how they feel supporting Obama, as it is their choice to vote and support whoever they like. The masses have obviously ignored the fine details, if you saw the outcome of the Republican presidential primary in Utah... 90% of the vote went to Mitt Romney. I was more addressing that beyond the obvious differences of the candidates, there is no concern by the majority of people as to what those candidates are running on. It's more of a "team" mentality, rather than it is a true examination and dissection of the candidates morals, values, and political platforms.

As far as healthcare is concerned, it's good to know he has those 100,000 people have been enrolled in one of the largest money making schemes known to the American public. It may seem like a necessity to have health care, but in all actuality you're just perpetuating that kind of market manipulation making it almost impossible for the average Joe to go to the hospital without having some sort of insurance. Never should a government institution and private one run hand in hand. That is dangerous, and as we've seen, with these two working in conjunction with one another, it can only spell doom and despair for your average American.

Not only that, he's making Government spending OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, for example we could see exactly how much $$ is gong to Haliburton, and all of what I've mentioned Barack has made totally public.

Absolutely warranted and commendable. A program like this should have been implemented a long time ago. If something like this is put into use, I hope it isn't just a dog and pony show for the public. I wonder if the real numbers will make it to light after being seemingly exposed. Carrying a great distrust of most people, and most government, it reminds me of those street vendors that do the "find the ball under the cup" trick. You think you know where the goods lie, but do you? You know?

Also, if there's a reason not to support Barack Obama, point it out! I have yet to see a reason to not support him.

"Yes, we can!"

"No, I won't."

If AIPAC, Brzezinski, carbon tax, massive lobbying, or the emptiness and vagueness of his speeches don't deter you, I'm not sure what will. Though, I do believe he is the "lesser of two evils", I refuse to bite the bullet and will probably be penciling in my candidates name on a paper ballot. The way it looks now, I'm sure Obama will be the next president of the United States and I'll just be pouting for the next four years.





[edit on 26-2-2008 by DeadFlagBlues]

Obama can probably bring about some important change. But will he really make a difference ? Will he turn around singlehandedly decades of US Warmongering and Terrorism ? Will he be courageous enough to hand the war criminals over to the International Criminal Court ?

Originally posted by Digital_Reality

He is not on my list of valued opinions,

Honestly who cares what he says anyway?

i'll second the 1st remark

but the 2nd....
there are many who follow his lead,
& perhaps the political mudslingers have an idea of making
Farrakanns statement an 'Endorsement' and the Kiss-of-Death
from an anticipated backlash by all the anti-Farrakanns in the voting population.


a karl rove inspired tactic to have a Obama-Farrakann link?

Farrakhan is a hater and a racist. That being said, MAYBE he didn't mention whites in this statement because he was commenting on the way brown, red, yellow people are mobilizing in ways that white people always have. It will be ahistoric election just because so MANY more people are willing to participate. The increases in voter participation are not fantasy.

How is this 'worship' any different from people voting for W. because 'they could see themselves enjoying a beer with him"? People scream at rallies for people they support--wow! How revolutionary! How many people are being arrested at his rallies for NOT supporting him? How many were KICKED OUT of rallies for W. simply for wearing a Kerry T-shirt?

I'm not an Obama supporter, but calling him 'messianic' is a bit much. I'd like to know HOW he plans to change anything--besides the natural progression of change. HOW is Hillary planning to change anything (since she's jumped on the 'change' bandwagon as it has seemed to have worked so well for Obama). She says she'll create new, high paying jobs. Really? How? Is it like W. wanting to reclassify fast food jobs as 'manufacturing jobs' since you 'build' a burger?

Originally posted by themillersdaughter
Farrakhan is a hater and a racist. That being said, MAYBE he didn't mention whites in this statement because he was commenting on the way brown, red, yellow people are mobilizing in ways that white people always have. It will be ahistoric election just because so MANY more people are willing to participate. The increases in voter participation are not fantasy.

I don't see that, and I see no common "NON WHITE" mobilisation, just the usual competing interest groups

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues

That's indeed very worrisome. Obama should publicly renounce his connections to the israeli terrorists and war criminals. Without that, his opposition to the Iraq war looks like some kind of advertising gimmick.

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You don't see more minorities participating in the primaries? Then you just aren't looking. Dig a little deeper.

Funny how you have these Obama supporters voicing their support and saying how they are yet to see any evidence that he's a crook -- yet when someone like 'TheBandit795' comes a long and provides some pretty thought provoking information, to say the least, the Obama supporters are nowhere to be seen!

I've known he was CFR like all the rest (exception of Ron Paul) since the beginning. It doesn't take much time to do the research -- and it's really not hard to find. Problem is, ignorance really is bliss... even if it only lasts up until the ignorance comes back and slaps you in the face.

America is screwed.

Originally posted by filmmaker45
reply to post by Nailer

 

Ok, I'm glad I wasn't as rude as some Paul bots.

First off, I'm only 16 man. I can't even vote. But I still keep up with our political process and I still put out support for canidates.

Obama has always been my fall back.

I went to a Ron Paul rally here in my community. I shook the mans hand for goodness sake. He is STILL one of my heros, and I think he is a great man. I still put out his message and, I think he has accomplished what he probably always set out to do in this election.

So back to the fact that I can event vote, this doesn't matter. But I agree with Obama on a good bit of things, minus a few others. I like him, and I think he's a good canidate. No I didn't just jump over to him because he looks like the winner. It's called diversity, and he's always been one of my other canidates.

If your going to argue with my points of view please say more then "OBAMA EVIL- PAUL 08!" Other then that I have no time to bother with you.



[edit on 25-2-2008 by filmmaker45]

Good for you Filmmaker45...what people like nailer don't comprehend is that Obama is appealing to and tapping into a youth vote that has been ignored or trivialized in the past. Continue to research and inform youself...and by all means, don't be effected by the emotions of someone like nailer....if you find that Obama is not your choice do so on your own terms, and not because someone is trying to trivialize your opinion.