Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Those fawning over Barack Obama has embraced a type of magical thinking, one that isn't uncommon in elections, that mere act of electing him president will solve all the country's problems. That is not how it works in any political system, especially in a democratic republic such as the US. The entire system is built on compromise of one sort or another. Fans of Obama are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Oh please, can we not experiment with someone who is not a washington insider? Someone who has the audacity to approach politics in a completely different way.

As for your point about electing a president saving america.... first Obama himself says that the work only begins when he is President.

Second, I'm a firm believer that electing GB was the primary reason it all went in the toiliet. So why can't I believe that having the opposite in Office would have a different effect?

Also, do keep in mind that when we get presidents which are elected with that "magical thinking" you are talking about, they get assasinated. There is a reason for that ya know? It's because they are powerful.

Originally posted by Quazga
Obama is making a ton of money off of people like me. His main source is people who are consistently giving him $50 to $100 every week.

I meant in terms of organizations. Believe it or not, all candidates depend on those $50 and $100 donations...

Originally posted by Quazga
Oh please, can we not experiment with someone who is not a washington insider? Someone who has the audacity to approach politics in a completely different way.

Actually, I never said anything about him, pro or con, regarding his status as a Washington insider or outsider.

But, I do find it a bit odd that someone who has been serving in Washington for four years now is considered an "outsider," especially "insiders" are to be found among his advisors, and when more and more of the "insiders" are abandoning the Clintons for him.

Originally posted by Quazga
As for your point about electing a president saving america.... first Obama himself says that the work only begins when he is President.

Regardless of what Obama is saying, that is not what his supporters are saying. I give you the Farrakhan quote, for example.

Originally posted by Quazga
Also, do keep in mind that when we get presidents which are elected with that "magical thinking" you are talking about, they get assasinated. There is a reason for that ya know? It's because they are powerful.

Actually, every President is elected, somewhat, on magical thinking. And it transcends Presidents. It applies to Congress as well; the disappointment people feel with the current Democrat-controlled congress is due to magical-thinking that arose in the '06.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by SaviorComplex]

reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


Same things people said about Bush.. Yeah, he brought change alright... He sure did.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Same things people said about Bush.. Yeah, he brought change alright...

He sure did.

People talk a lot about "change," especially in terms of Barack Obama; a large part of his juggernaut is fueled by many of his supporters backing him simply because they want change. They want change for the sake of change.

But it's a hollow sentiment. Every president brings change, from the best presidents to the worst.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


True, and I am certainly not implying that Bush is the "worst," not by a long shot. However, it is funny to me that we are already in a tight spot because we elected someone who, in my opinion, became elected eight years sooner than he was ready, now some are wanting to elect another guy that is even more inexperienced than the guy that we have in there now!!!

That is a bit puzzling to me.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by kerontehe


The selection of USA leaders based on emotion rather than logic has always seemed to me a dangerous precedent.

Actually it's the other way around for me. My emotional reaction to Bush was that he was a moron. My Emotional reaction to Hillary is the same.

My emotional reaction to Obama is based on the fact that he has taken zero money from lobbyists, and it feels real good to me to see the traditional party puppeteers trying to squash him.

So I'm voting on my gut, always have, always will.

Dont make me GAG.. Obama is bought and paid for by Bankers and special interest groups here is the list.

BARACK OBAMA (D)
Top Contributors
Goldman Sachs -- $421,763
Ubs Ag -- $296,670
Lehman Brothers -- $250,630
National Amusements Inc -- $245,843
JP Morgan Chase & Co -- $243,848
Sidley Austin LLP -- 226,491
Citigroup Inc -- 221,578
Exelon Corp -- 221,517
Skadden, Arps Et Al -- $196,420
Jones Day -- $181,996
Harvard University -- $172,324
Citadel Investment Group -- $171,798
Time Warner -- $155,383
Morgan Stanley -- $155,196
Google Inc -- $152,802
University of California -- $143,029
Jenner & Block -- $136,565
Kirkland & Ellis -- $134,738
Wilmerhale Llp -- $119,245
Credit Suisse Group -- $118,250

Originally posted by Nailer
Dont make me GAG.. Obama is bought and paid for by Bankers and special interest groups here is the list.

BARACK OBAMA (D)
Top Contributors
Goldman Sachs -- $421,763
Ubs Ag -- $296,670

(ad nauseum...)

Yes, I'm sure none of those groups have lobbyists...

I am going to be in the minority on this one, but I am tired of hearing lobbyists be bashed.

There are attempts to equate lobbying to the worst abuses of corporations, but lobbyists represent a variety of groups. If there is an issue near and dear to you (and yes, I am even talking to those who claim to hate lobbyists the mosts), there is a lobbying group working to further your interests. Pick your issue -- environmentalism, workers-rights/unions, pro-life, pro-choice, education, pro-gun, anti-gun -- someone is up there, a lobbyist, representing your voice. Chances are, at least one of those issues are going to be important to every single person reading this thread; and don't kid yourself for a moment if you don't think they are not powerful lobbying-groups. Everyone hates lobbyists...unless they are representing them.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Same things people said about Bush.. Yeah, he brought change alright...

He sure did.

People talk a lot about "change," especially in terms of Barack Obama; a large part of his juggernaut is fueled by many of his supporters backing him simply because they want change. They want change for the sake of change.

But it's a hollow sentiment. Every president brings change, from the best presidents to the worst.

Yep, thats what drives genetics to desire mates from other gene pools... change for the sake of change...

Originally posted by Quazga
Yep, thats what drives genetics to desire mates from other gene pools... change for the sake of change...

No...that is not change for the sake of change...one seeks out makes of different genetic make-up to strengthen the gene-pool. You mate with someone who has traits that are desirable to you, ones that you believe, on a subconscious level, that will better your genetic line. One does not mate just for the sake of change, otherwise we would mate with those who have undesirable traits.

reply to post by kerontehe


my thoughts are that.. RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate that is truly honest and actually gives a # about our freedom!

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by Quazga
Yep, thats what drives genetics to desire mates from other gene pools... change for the sake of change...

No...that is not change for the sake of change...one seeks out makes of different genetic make-up to strengthen the gene-pool. You mate with someone who has traits that are desirable to you, ones that you believe, on a subconscious level, that will better your genetic line. One does not mate just for the sake of change, otherwise we would mate with those who have undesirable traits.

But perhaps what you are calling change for the sake of change is actually a subconscious desire.

In fact, I'm convinced of it :-)

Originally posted by freighttrain
my thoughts are that.. RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate that is truly honest and actually gives a # about our freedom!

Paul is just as slimy as the rest...and even more so because of his attempts and ability to convince people he's "honest."

If he's so honest, why does he make a big deal about how he's never voted for pork...yet inserts pork into every bill?

Fact is, you and the rest of Ron Paul's supporters are engaging in the exact same magical-thinking that Obama's supporters demonstrate. In fact, you are entirely more fanatical and zealous than Obama's supporters.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Farrakhan is an intelligent man, and has made his share of good points, but the fact of the matter is that his power is based only in his ability to ride the tides or racism in this country. As soon as we all start to see each other as people instead of colors (assuming it happens at some point), he'll be nothing. Unfortunately that's not the case, and so he gets to say this dribble and encourage the hero worship of Obama.

I am against Obama based on what he's said he will do and how he says he'll do it, which is more significant than any of those who give their support to him based on emotion. Obama is in a terrible position. He is something different, frankly a black man, and those who want to see this country changed look up to him because he is unique in this country's presidential history. Obama is being crushed by the expectations being placed upon him and eventually he'll fold, we as voters have to decide if he'll fold out of office with no harm of if he'll fold in office and take this country down with him.
The fact though is that the man is ill equipped. He doesn't have enough experience, he doesn't have enough practicality in his position. I would encourage everyone to examine his plans, not his positions. See where he's going to get his money, and how he's going to spend it. Don't concern yourself with what he wants to change, but find out how he's going to effect those changes. After examination along those lines, decide if you support him. Anyone who decides rather than logic they'll decide on emotion is a fool and it is that very mentality that contributes to the corruption of our system because if we are only voting based on emotion, we might as well draw from a hat.

edit: by 'intelligent' as used above, I was referring to the way he uses people and their hatred to advance his agenda. Its wrong, but he does it well. I was in no way approving of his ideas and many indiscretions. Thanks to the guy below who responded to that comment below; I'm glad you made me see how that sentence sounded, because it in no way reflects what I think or want to be thought of as.


[edit on 25-2-2008 by avingard]

Originally posted by Quazga
Why shouldn't he exclude whites? Farakhan has no concern for the oppressors of the last 500 years. He's concerned for those who have been victimized over the last 500 years.

:shk: Every group has been 'victimized' or ‘oppressed’ at some point or other in the past 500 years. You are trying to give blacks the corner market on victimization. (victim mentality?) Black people aren't the only ones to have been victimized. White people have been as well. So have Asians. Women of ALL races and religions. (Muslim women have it the worst). Catholics of ALL skin colors. Jews. Etc etc

The whole world has been oppressed and/or victimized at some point or other. Slavery is STILL widely practiced in Africa today – blacks owning and selling other blacks – as they have done for hundreds of years. Women and children (of all skin colors) are still sold into sex slavery around the world – particularly in Asia and Eastern Europe. Muslim women in the strict Muslim countries are, practically speaking, not living free lives and are subject to the whims of their ‘husbands’ – who beat them and treat them as cattle. AND .. it isn't just white people who are causing these evils. Asians and blacks are too. (and in larger numbers - percentage wise)

If Obama was ‘the hope of the world’ as Farakhan said – then Obama would have to have concern for EVERYONE .. including those who you falsely claim are the ‘white oppressors’.

Originally posted by andy1033
I wonder if there is a difference between Jim Jones and Obama, ...

Not much .. not much at all.

The glassy-eyed admiration that the obamatrons are showing to their 'savior' is VERY frightening. A few months ago someone here said 'anti-christ' in connection with Obama. I poo-poo'd it. Now I think she was right.

God save us from Obama. His marxist-economics will destroy this country.

Originally posted by avingard
Farrakhan is an intelligent man, ...

Farrakhan is intelligent? Here are a few gems from the ‘intelligent’ man -
-The Jewish faith is a ‘gutter religion’.
-White people are not human. They haven’t evolved yet.
-Hitler was a very great man.
And the kicker –
- white people blew up the levies in New Orleans during Katrina to kill blacks. According to this ‘intelligent’ man - the ‘proof’ is that there were trenches next to the levies where the water came through. Guess this ‘intelligent’ man never heard of water displacing dirt when it moves very rapidly over it. EROSION.

Farrakhan is an anti-white and anti-jewish bigot. He’s also rather dumb.
www.youtube.com...

As for Obama - I suggest all the obamatrons watch this and learn –
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by freighttrain


I agree. But he is essentially out of this race.

What continues to concern me is the lack of viable alternatives for a logical informed voter to choose.

NO man should be living in a shrowd of uuuuuuuuus and ahhhhhhhhs as this man... can we stop calling him Obama by the way and start calling him by his full name.. he is not a superstar like prince or modonna...... ppl are starting to freak me out with their fainting spells and their tears... ew... it jsut goes back to what I aways say... ppl are really not getting smarter.... and they all herd and follow eachother like sheep... Awesome post by the way

Originally posted by kerontehe
reply to post by freighttrain

 

I agree. But he is essentially out of this race.

What continues to concern me is the lack of viable alternatives for a logical informed voter to choose.

McCain =Evil, Hillary=Evil, Obama=Evil , Ron Paul = Honesty and he supports the Constitution.

Why vote for the lesser of 3 evils when you have Ron Paul on the ballot? I guess stupidity runs rampant these days as people care more about how the Candidates look and talk like car salesmen than The real issues.

OH Obama is electifying when he talks, Good god the sheeple shall be led to slaughter .

Obama says he supports gun rights and then the next day he supports a global tax bill through the UN that alaso includes banning all small arm/weapons. Flip flop Obama as he goose steps his NAZI ways into the whitehouse. Farrakhan is just a racist pig supporting another Black racist pig.

Thats one huge hyperbole.

I support Obama. I used to support Paul but, I now see he has no chance in hell. I agree with Obama's views the most, and I think he is the best canidate.

But yeah, WAY over stated. Obama seems like a good man, but he's not the second coming!

reply to post by kerontehe


So Farrakhan has Obama fever too, wow. I still don't know if I am going to bother voting, my party never wins. I also think Hillary will get the nomination over Obama, and she will be the next President. I hope I am wrong and it's just another dumb gut feeling of mine.

Is anyone else sick & tired of the experience question. If you think Bush Jr. had experience then you are a you know what. Hillary will win it, the Monarchy will continue (look back at the last 20 yrs with who has been President and tell me I am wrong/stupid for calling the U.S. a Monarchy).