The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition

From where i'm sitting.

Originally posted by housegroove23

I really admire what Anonymous is doing and I hope that they succeed. brining down such a corrupted group would be a good start to tackling much, much bigger fish all the way up to the Global Elite. I can only hope that Anonymous realizes that Scientology is a very small fish in an enormous sea of corruption that plagues humanity everyday. We need to break free of this corruption and manipulation and take control of our own destiny before its too late.

Same here. I think they look like they know exactly what they are doing.

In my observation so far, it looks like Anonymous might just be another group of uninformed sheeple and does not realize or even care to even look at the amount of corruption and manipulation that we are facing right now. I will be very disappointed to find out that Anonymous is just a much more aggressive group of tree hugging, liberal stoner hippies that is nothing but a sheeple in wolfs clothing. I am afraid that this might be true, I hope that they can prove me wrong.

They are hitting a nerve. At least they are taking action.

All I got to say to Anonymous is that they need to wake up and see that everything we discuss here at ATS is ultimately what really matters and we are discussing the really big fish here and not just some small fish like Scientology. To beat the big fish you must be wake up and break free of the manipulation, be informed and use knowledge, knowledge is power.

I get a feeling they know that already.

Just think of the what we could accomplish if we can take the power of a group like Anonymous and use it for something that really matters, like making people aware of the truth of 9/11. On the other hand we can just do that our selfs, Anonymous can miss out on what really matters and they can just go and play with their small fish.

The big difference here is they are actually going out into the world and doing something. Not just talking. Maybe we can start an anoymous like group here as a model?

By the way "confederacyforever" it is difficult to for "one" to change the world but "many" will have no problem. This is why ATS is so important, together we can change the world.

Yes that is very true



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[edit on 27/2/08 by JAK]

if we can't take down a "small fish" like Scientology, what hope would we have of taking on the Illuminati?

we need to win this fight before we even consider taking something else on, let alone 'ultimately powerful ruthless shadow government'. in video game terms the NWO would be the final boss, scientology might be level one. if we haven't been able to simply wipe scientology out with a thought how stupid would it be to try and fight something as powerful as what you are suggesting? maybe it would be a good idea for us to gather enough power first? maybe taking out something like scientology will leave us in a better position to fight more powerful evils?

no one in Anonymous is considering anything other than the fight against scientology, they are to us a very powerful and formidable foe, but think about it, if we are successful and the leadership of scientology gets convicted of the crimes they have committed and we disperse back into the internet with that victory, the day when marshal law is declared in the US and we fight back people will remember "these are the people who took down scientology, they deliver" dispersion of every scrap of information we have will flood every corner of the internet people will listen. but if we fail and run and hide people will just remember that time when we said we were going to go after scientology and when it got tough we just gave up.

even if you don't consider scientology important in the grand scheme of things, think of it this way. scientology has been doing these things for years, it has survived countless attacks from the government, critics, and media. in the grand scheme of things would a DDoS attack against there servers for a few days or yet another snarky video calling for opposition realy be important? you wouldn't think so, but it turns out these things resulted in the largest public outcry against them in history. in a game of chess sometimes sacrificing your queen will win you the game, just because you don't think this is a big problem doesn't mean solving it won't lead to big solutions.

My view is outdated since I'm not keeping up with any people on the inside, but my general idea of the whole situation is that Anon really isn't doing as much as they think... If this works I'll be pleasantly surprised and I hope the CoS is punished and brought down for their crimes but I'm worried what type of butterfly effect this will have regarding government and religion's grasp on everyone's lives, whether it will be positive or negative but I think some people are underestimating the power of the church. There are forces behind the churches that drive their manipulative money grabbing schemes, these people are basically ruthless hijackers who have an unconditional love for power. I'm sure all of this is very apparent to Anon but will it really open everyone else's eyes, and even then will they do anything rational about it or will they riot in the streets and initiate martial law? I hate that it's an "Us and Them" type thing but it's the truth, maybe it really is finally time for a revolution but Anon has no real cred whatsoever and are dragging the country into unsure waters.

Originally posted by babylon falling
The big difference here is they are actually going out into the world and doing something. Not just talking. Maybe we can start an anoymous like group here as a model?

Here's an idea -- have the maintainers of this site set up some 2ch-style text boards for anyone to use, perhaps simplified as to be less confusing (e.g., no name field, in order to enforce anonymity). They would be welcomed by Anonymous, as well as by anyone seeking anonymous posting, would offer a nice alternative to the traditional forum style, and would significantly reduce the ongoing debate over censorship. As Hiroyuki, creator of 2channel said:

... delivering news without taking any risk is very important to us. There is a lot of information disclosure or secret news gathered on [2channel]. Few people would post that kind of information by taking a risk. (2channel, Wikipedia)

Sounds like that sort of thing would fit right in here.

Scientology just scares me. it may just be that I don't understand what they stand for, me being a Methodist Christian....but every that's associated with it seem really creepy!

reply to post by unknownfrost


If something scares you, the best thing you can do is try to understand it. Do some more research, look at both sides as well as objective evidence. If you find it is something you should be afraid of, then think of what you can do about it. Even just talking about it with people you know can have a major impact.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
Can someone explain to me how a loose-knit subculture of hacker children from 4chan and IRC, formerly known for not much more than defacing MySpace pages and other nuisance hacks/pranks, suddenly takes a public stance on a socially complex issue?

Except they have carried out raids against individuals and sites in the past. They organized to put a child pornographer behind bars, for example.

And the way this whole thing started was with Denial of Service attacks. Hardly difficult to organize if you have a bunch of people willing to "do it for the lulz".

Seems some people are a little schizophrenic on this thread and a reminder is needed.

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2c.) Multiple Accounts: You will not create multiple user accounts and "talk to yourself".

For a group of internet vigilantes who claim to have pulled off some great hacks, some people seem to be having a lot of trouble with reading comprehension, the use of simple BB code and finding their way around a new community.

The Terms and Conditions of Use will be enforced.

If you haven't already read them and you value your ATS account I suggest you become intimately familiar with them immediately.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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This post is totally on-topic (its probably my first!)

I completely welcome surveillance and even attempts at infiltration of Anonymous by agencies of the US government. I would be concerned if they were not capable, or willing to at least think about it.

And even if you think the FBI, NSA etc are pure evil, tools of larger conspiracies etc, remember that they are made up of individuals, with their own moral compasses. Most of them are truly decent people, as is the case even with most Scientologists. If you really believe some of the more widespread conspiracies are real, then it is these people who have the power to expose things and change things.

reply to post by Anonymous13


Would the highly enlightened fellow who banned Anonymous13 please give a reason why, perhaps after reviewing my (Anonymous13's) posting history here? Due to considerations of anonymity, I cannot discuss this by e-mail, and I would also like to make clear that banning users is of the sort of nonsense precluding any rational discussion that has been complained about earlier in this thread.

If you think Anonymous13 is posting as some user other than 'Anonymous13' and this one (because obviously the original no longer works), I would like to see a coherent explanation of why. Because banning the user who has just, in the prequel of this thread ...

Explained what Anonymous is
Given links to relevant information
Been nothing but exactingly polite to all users

Is nothing other than an incredibly rude thing to do.

Terms & Conditions of Use

Forum posts, private messages, PODcasts, blog entries, and other supported content that violate these terms and conditions are subject to action that may include, but is not limited to, edits, removal, or account termination.

'nuf said.
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[edit on 2/27/2008 by Gools]

I think what he was asking for was examples of the terms violated.

(redundancy edit)

[edit on 27-2-2008 by Skyfloating]

reply to post by another anon


Maybe one of his other three personalities has a more specific answer for him.

If anyone else wants to confess to having multiple accounts and come forward with their selection of just ONE to keep, let the staff know (privately) right now through the
complain /suggestion form.

We'll consider letting you stay and keep the one you choose.
Offer expires midnight tonight.
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[edit on 2/27/2008 by Gools]

Originally posted by IsMyLoginBrokenOrYourSite
reply to post by Anonymous13

 

and I would also like to make clear that banning users is of the sort of nonsense precluding any rational discussion that has been complained about earlier in this thread.

With all due respect, I attempted to do so. Someone decided to 'call off the anon hounds' when it was just getting to be a rational discourse.

I personally am not a part of any admin decision regarding the anon's as I am apart of the discussion. True.

So please consider that your appealing to the desire to have a rational discussion in the context of the thread topic is met with raised eyebrows....

Originally posted by IsMyLoginBrokenOrYourSite
Is nothing other than an incredibly rude thing to do.

I have encountered similar breaches of conduct as well. This thread is starting to get 'boring'.

[edit on 27-2-2008 by MemoryShock]

I didn't read that as "calling off the hounds" Can't you read in glish?

We need Mr.Old.School to come back and give a response. Please refer to perniant points raised.

It's obvious that $cifags have infiltrates ATS because they are covering up their involvement with 911 clean up. You can always tell when someone is covering up. We just don't know to what extent.

posting under same name too long can 2 be easily traced.

no ones answering themselves.

Looking forward to mister.old.schools response.

interesting subject to choose mister.old.school Do you also have an interest in 911 theories by any chance? Let me guess they focus on cleanup.

reply to post by mister.old.school


Being a semi-/b/tard myself and having been to the previous protests in DC and having met all the organizers and a lot of the people there, I find it a little ridiculous that you accuse a group of people that they are working or influenced by the government when you obviously know nothing of the group or it's members. If you really want to know what's going on, find out where the local protest for your area is, go there, talk to the people, ask them questions, see what they have to say. And then when you see that we're not some organization influenced by the government, but by our own thoughts and beliefs, you'll see why I'm so upset and you'll feel silly for even having posted this 'conspiracy' without knowing much of anything. It's like me accusing you of working for Fox news to tell people how anonymous is 'evil' and that we're 'super hackers on steroids'. It's ridiculous and groundless attacks. So either shut up and lurk a little before you post crap, or look like an idiot. It's your choice. But don't be mad at the chans when you find out you were wrong.

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[edit on 27-2-2008 by intrepid]

reply to post by Over9000


I agree with what you're saying but try not to take this thread too personally, a lot of conspiracy theorists think no one is really thinking freely because our access to info is controlled, big bad govt is doing psyops etc.

er, with all the multi-accounting around, I"d just like to point out this is my only one.

Originally posted by Gools


Maybe one of his other three personalities has a more specific answer for him.

If anyone else wants to confess to having multiple accounts and come forward with their selection of just ONE to keep, let the staff know (privately) right now through the
complain /suggestion form.

We'll consider letting you stay and keep the one you choose.
Offer expires midnight tonight.
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[edit on 2/27/2008 by Gools]

Does everybody see this? As I've been saying for 15 pages now... the whole Anonymous movement including these supposed supporters in this very thread are Cointel Pro disinfo. Do you really think a bunch of random people simultaneously got all upset about Scientology at the politically PERFECT time for them to do so? Look at this guy with 3 screen names pretending to be 3 different people agreeing with each other about how great Anonymous is and how evil Scientology is. He even said I'm a Scientologist for pointing him out and the moderators are Scientologists for deleting his SPAM posts. Do you think this is really some random guy so fired up about the hypocritical anonymous movement, that he spends all day creating screen names and talking to himself!? No, no, no, this is what the Mason/disinfo agents do. Click on my post history to see a bunch of other Mason/agents I've exposed. Keep your eyes open to numbers, symbols, and watch what they say.

I don't like Scientology either, it was an OTO/Masonic/Pentagon creation and Anonymous is simply the dialectic necessary to bring Scientology into public light for the coming Problem-Reaction-Solution. As I've been saying, this is all diversionary. The most important things right now are researching and exposing the New World Order, the Federal Reserve, the 9/11 inside job. Anybody that watches Alex Jones' Endgame or listens to Alan Watt knows there are much bigger fish to fry... and we don't fry them by creating faceless, anonymous witch-hunt movements. We do it through love and spreading information. Peace.