The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition

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What?!?...just when the conversation was getting interesting? Finally! Or maybe i misunderstand...


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Statement Five: The group, "Anonymous", takes a public stance: Project Chanology
Can someone explain to me how a loose-knit subculture of hacker children from 4chan and IRC, formerly known for not much more than defacing MySpace pages and other nuisance hacks/pranks, suddenly takes a public stance on a socially complex issue? And part of the public stance of this "Anonymous" group involves the very un-anonymous action of public space protests.

Yeah, youth never become socially aware and active do they?

Edelweiss Pirates
White Rose Society
Provo
far too many targets of COINTELPRO to name
anti-war, feminism, environmentalism, 3rd world solidarity
...not one young person in any of these organisations or movements

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Being a former anon myself, my only problem is that anonymous, as a whole, are capable of so much more than just outing a religion which people already shy away from because of the subject matter. It frustrates me to see this happening, even though they wear masks in their protests it's doing nothing except gaining scientology more attention and stirring up a hornet's nest of utter confusion. People are only re-affirming their belief that scientology is sketchy and should be watched closely, anonymous is a force to be reckoned with and they could be publicly outing much larger conspiracies and other obvious crimes against humanity. This could just be the beginning but I'm only disappointed so far. The fact that they could all agree on something is astounding, though.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
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The engrams are an invented word...and the alien xenu thing, in my estimation, is a joke, even for the origanators. It has occurred to me that the point of order when actively manipulating someone is it doesn/t matter what they believe, anything will do. If the past experience was negative, than associate it with something ridiculous...easier to forget about it..ya know? Make people aware of the /hows and whys/ of their mental manipulations.

Yes, the Xenu thing is definitely a joke. Here's Hubbard's handwritten manuscript.

www.cs.cmu.edu...

Note his parantethical expression about how it's all "very space opera." You don't have to read too far between the line to tell he's just making it all up. I think the general consesus on this is that he'd wrung all the "science of the mind" stuff dry, but needed some new material to further generate sales.

The problem is, reaching the punchline of the joke (OT III) takes several years and tens (perhaps hundreds) of thousands of dollars. By this point you're so monitarily and emotionally invested that even if you think it's ridiculous, you WANT to believe it, if only just to think all that time and money hasn't gone to waste.

And now, just a general comment on the main topic. I suppose it's possible this was all started by the NSA, CIA, whathaveyou, but it's highly unlikely. Still, I'll entertain the notion. So they're out there, tacking our movements, and perhaps petting a white cat that's curled in their laps and saying "Excellent" each time there's a new development. What are they witnessnessing? After a brief period of DDOSing, Anonymous switched tactics at the behest of longtime critics of scientology, began disemminating information anywhere and everywhere, held completely peaceful pickets, cooperated completely with local authorities, and started letter-writing campaigns to their elected officials.

Honestly and with no sarcasm, I can see how that would make a shadowy, secretive organization uncomfortable, especially if it's bent on taking away the rights to free speech. But, seriously, if that's their ultimate goal, there are all sorts of ways to go about that that aren't half as goofy and convoluted.

Oh, and to the folks that are worried about the government using Anonymous as a ready-to-order "mob" to point at targets of it's choosing, it won't work. The only reason the movement against Scientology gathered so many people so quickly is because it only takes the average person ten or twenty minutes of reading about the cult to get pissed off enough to want to do something about it. There aren't many issues out there that are so blatantly wrong, while at the same time being so darkly comic that they would keep everyone endlessly entertained and interested.

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Agreed on several points...expansion tomorrow. Remember...this is a conspiracy site...if your beef is with an entity that utilizes mind control *cult behaviour research* then you should focus on that...because its everywhere...and the advertising industry is the most glaring example...


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The "space opera" stuff is meant to be what thetans, peoples immortal souls which are currently encased in these meaty prisons, went through millions and billions and trillions of years ago.
The low level stuff of Scientology just primitive Psychoanalysis.
From 'Clear' to the 8 levels of OT the material is, this is not hyperbole, covert Satanism. The final stage of OT: www.factnet.org...
Satanism being no more real than any other fantastic belief system is in itself harmless, its what is done with a belief - like the "Rehabilitation Project Force" concentration camps Co$ throw children and underperforming or critical members into for years without end; or the 'rituatal' abortions L. Ron Jr says he witnessed his father performing - that is dangerous.

Originally posted by rationalgaze
reply to post by confederacyforever

 

Being a former anon myself, my only problem is that anonymous, as a whole, are capable of so much more than just outing a religion which people already shy away from because of the subject matter. It frustrates me to see this happening, even though they wear masks in their protests it's doing nothing except gaining scientology more attention and stirring up a hornet's nest of utter confusion. People are only re-affirming their belief that scientology is sketchy and should be watched closely, anonymous is a force to be reckoned with and they could be publicly outing much larger conspiracies and other obvious crimes against humanity. This could just be the beginning but I'm only disappointed so far. The fact that they could all agree on something is astounding, though.

One can not change the world. Only his or her own circumstances.

Hows this:

The chultch of Scientology was in fact started by the FBI in conjunction with Hubbard to see if mass brainwashing could be done on the populus

Codename: Project Diana

It was going fine until Hubbard with this brainwashing TECHnology realised how powerfull this was and wanted to split from the government. He infiltrated many government posts with his brainwashed people and started the largest ever infiltration of government departments in US and Canadian history. He got the supreme court first. The FBI retailiated and atatcked his headquarters, but they were too late. The FBI got some of the ring leaders including Hubbards wife but could not get Hubbard.

Hubbard secretly controled his empire from international waters on a boat called The Diana.

The FBI tried to patch things up but because hubbard had infiltrated the supreme court (getting underage prostitutes to have sex with them, getting the photos etc...) Hubbard won in the courts.

Hubbard went into hiding and was wanted in England, US and France for questioning, supeona and arrest.

He then entered the US illegaly and brought a large amount of land in southern California.

Meanwhile with the billions he had ammased from all the selling from scientology and the cocain and drug business throughout southern America
(with his Panama company funneling funds) and African runs he bought the whole city of Clearwater in the USA and a cloaked attack for a scientology military land base in the US. The reason why they took clearwater ? Namely because it had the word CLEAR in it. Which is what they want to do to planet earth.

Once this base was established, he used his brainwashed subjects to attack the mayor of the city in order to force him into submission. They then went on to infiltrate the police force and all other local departments.

Once that was established or while that was happening they attacked the IRS
They finally got Goldburg in 1986(?) when David Misgavige personally showed him what they had.

How do they do this? They cull information from peoples minds and record them. They use deep hynosis and a lie detector called the E-meter. They have culled every deep and dark secret of every scientologist that has been in for auditing.

They then use this databanking to create moves on opponents.

What they had on Goldburg was probably sexual abuse against a minor.

The CO$ current target after having taken on the IRS is psychiatry. They want the mental health proffesion themselves. Under CO$ created front groups they are already making in roads into this and also they want education. They want to use this brainwashing on the children of the general public. Under the front group Applied scholastics they already have inraods into the public education system and the public education system is using his methods.

The Government can do little to stop the rise of scientology. Buerocracy stumbles, files get missing, the scientology population is inside the government, virtualy every department and no one knows they are there perverting justice.

They work in union towards their leader and will do anything he says. Anything. If he said jump out a window they would.

interestingly it seems scientology was connected to 911. How come thousands of scientologists were there as soon as it happened? How come they were allowed inside the security areas when no one else except officials were? Under the guise of helping people they went into to clear away important information. I don't know what. Maybe someone on this board can tell me what it might be they were sent in there for?


Top conspire theorists in the field have been following CO$ movements for some years. Some of these are members of ATS.

One member inspired an anonymous member to create the call and the rest is history.

CO$ has infiltrated these boards. Even some moderators are CO$. Top management is becoming aware of this ands has stopped this censoring which is why you will probably see this post (hopefully)
Some mods were only supporting their fellow mods and did not realize they were being hoodwinked. So the line of chain might not appear clear.
I unfortunately will have to abstain from posting here again. Even though I have major proxies when they bring the data police in they will be able to follow the lines.


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Here's my guess at why this Scientology/Anonymous showdown has been created:

As the 2012 New World Order fake alien invasion comes closer, you'll see more mainstream media reports about Tom Cruise and his $5 million bunker to protect him from Xenu. You'll see more about Norway's seed vault and the like. You'll see more about Scientology and their alien beliefs/criminal actions as well as hear about the Anonymous folks. You'll see more reports and videos of UFOs, talk of greys and reptiles and planet x. Scientology will be used as the big media voice of "those who already know/believe in aliens through their religion." Then there are the Anonymous folks who are against them... People will be scared of the alien threat and cling to Tom Cruise and John Travolta telling them everything about aliens.

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Here's my guess at why this Scientology/Anonymous showdown has been created:

As the 2012 New World Order fake alien invasion comes closer, you'll see more mainstream media reports about Tom Cruise and his $5 million bunker to protect him from Xenu. You'll see more about Norway's seed vault and the like. You'll see more about Scientology and their alien beliefs/criminal actions as well as hear about the Anonymous folks. You'll see more reports and videos of UFOs, talk of greys and reptiles and planet x. Scientology will be used as the big media voice of "those who already know/believe in aliens through their religion." Then there are the Anonymous folks who are against them... People will be scared of the alien threat and cling to Tom Cruise and John Travolta telling them everything about aliens.

TELL ME MOAR

I really can't tell if you're serious or joking, but I hope it's the latter.

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Originally posted by confederacyforever
CO$ has infiltrated these boards. Even some moderators are CO$. Top management is becoming aware of this ands has stopped this censoring which is why you will probably see this post (hopefully)
Some mods were only supporting their fellow mods and did not realize they were being hoodwinked. So the line of chain might not appear clear.
I unfortunately will have to abstain from posting here again. Even though I have major proxies when they bring the data police in they will be able to follow the lines.

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Hahahahaha. ATS has been infiltrated at the highest levels by manipulative scientologists! Careful folks, if you write a dozen back to back SPAM posts, they'll get deleted due to rampant censorship. Notice how the main agent called off the dogs last page and now they're leaving, saying things like "COS has infiltrated top conspiracy sites." Bye bye guys, good luck with your campaign. Don't forget free humanity is waiting whenever you want to turn in your bosses and fight the New World Order!




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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Ahahahahaha! See Anonymous agents? Your boloney isn't going to cut it anymore against an informed public. You're the Anonymous antithesis to Scientology's media flooded thesis. They have big names like Tom Cruise and John Travolta smiling on TV. You have nameless, faceless, witch-hunt mentality internet terrorists.

*poke* hello Mr Scientologist.

Whoop de do, a few celebritys. It's a well known fact that celebs are nothing more than normal people, who are slightly more spoiled and have their own trailer. some are normal, some help the worlds causes, some are bat# crazy *cough* Britney spears*. We all have our problems. cruise, travolta, whoever.

We have one thing they do not. Sheer numbers and the unlimited power of word-of-mouth. The truth has never failed yet.

We also may have a few high-ups. You never know.


Also, another exciting episode of:
LINKS OF INTEREST!!!!!!!!!

www.march15.org...

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It all makes sense now!

Dammit, Lamont, you gave away our secrets!

@Fright: REAL conspiracy theorists have encrypted websites that chumps like you and me can't access. A website with all these "theories" completely open to the government and all these NWO people to look at and see who "knows about them" is kind of laughable, if they really do have so much power and influence. Just sayin.

Originally posted by anonimDammit, Lamont, you gave away our secrets!

faux news thinks we're terrorists, scientologists think we're aliens, Hal Turner thinks we're in league with (insert your favorite commonly hated religion/race here), Habbo just plain hates us.....Where's the love?

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I could have not said it better myself.

I really admire what Anonymous is doing and I hope that they succeed. brining down such a corrupted group would be a good start to tackling much, much bigger fish all the way up to the Global Elite. I can only hope that Anonymous realizes that Scientology is a very small fish in an enormous sea of corruption that plagues humanity everyday. We need to break free of this corruption and manipulation and take control of our own destiny before its too late.

In my observation so far, it looks like Anonymous might just be another group of uninformed sheeple and does not realize or even care to even look at the amount of corruption and manipulation that we are facing right now. I will be very disappointed to find out that Anonymous is just a much more aggressive group of tree hugging, liberal stoner hippies that is nothing but a sheeple in wolfs clothing. I am afraid that this might be true, I hope that they can prove me wrong.

All I got to say to Anonymous is that they need to wake up and see that everything we discuss here at ATS is ultimately what really matters and we are discussing the really big fish here and not just some small fish like Scientology. To beat the big fish you must be wake up and break free of the manipulation, be informed and use knowledge, knowledge is power.

Just think of the what we could accomplish if we can take the power of a group like Anonymous and use it for something that really matters, like making people aware of the truth of 9/11. On the other hand we can just do that our selfs, Anonymous can miss out on what really matters and they can just go and play with their small fish.

By the way "confederacyforever" it is difficult to for "one" to change the world but "many" will have no problem. This is why ATS is so important, together we can change the world.

Originally posted by freight tomsen

Originally posted by confederacyforever
CO$ has infiltrated these boards. Even some moderators are CO$. Top management is becoming aware of this ands has stopped this censoring which is why you will probably see this post (hopefully)
Some mods were only supporting their fellow mods and did not realize they were being hoodwinked. So the line of chain might not appear clear.
I unfortunately will have to abstain from posting here again. Even though I have major proxies when they bring the data police in they will be able to follow the lines.

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Hahahahaha. ATS has been infiltrated at the highest levels by manipulative scientologists! Careful folks, if you write a dozen back to back SPAM posts, they'll get deleted due to rampant censorship. Notice how the main agent called off the dogs last page and now they're leaving, saying things like "COS has infiltrated top conspiracy sites." Bye bye guys, good luck with your campaign. Don't forget free humanity is waiting whenever you want to turn in your bosses and fight the New World Order!




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[edit on 27/2/08 by JAK]

Some of those posts wern't succesive. Something else is going on here.

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[edit on 27/2/08 by JAK]

Ok, let's remember that although conversations naturally evolve this thread was started by the author to address The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition. If anyone wishes to start a thread addressing the concern of a conspiracy within Scientology in relation to secretive, alternate motivation etc. then Conspiracies In Religion would be the place for that. For those who wish to discuss the rights and wrongs of 'Anonymous' in a more general fashion including the effectiveness of or concerns over any tactics used please see the thread Hello, Scientology. We are Anonymous.

Now, please, back to:

The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition.

Originally posted by mister.old.school

Greetings fair members and readers of AboveTopSecret.com. Over the past few weeks, we've seen an alarming event, one that initially seemed exceptionally odd to me. After much research, I am now convinced this event is a proactive joint counter intelligence operation from the NSA and FBI. What is this event you might ask? It's the sudden public pronouncements of the "Anonymous Group" to expose the Church of Scientology.

Thank you,

Jak