The Grand Illusion

AccessDenied, what is your take on Goup Entities? If you know what they are.
(sincere Question)

AD, I just went back and re-read your opening posts and again am still trying to see where you are making the connection between fear and a time travelling elite that uses fear to control us.

Are you saying that the Germans or whomever invented antigravity and time travel and went back in time to create religion? Did they go back to perform some miracles and disappeared so that humans would follow certain people and live by their rules? Then later in more recent times create UFO sightings and put enough info out to make us believe they are aliens?

Is this what you mean?

I don’t have a problem believing that anti-gravity is possible, nor do I have a problem believing in UFOs or the government has done mind experiments, ect. I know that fear is used as a tool and a lot of people do alter their lives because of it. I don’t particularly think that I live in fear, but for the sake of this discussion will not argue that point. I just don’t think you have made it clear how they are using this technology to create fear and I am only offering a little advice on improving your thesis.

After all that is what is supposed to happen in skunk works. You put out an idea and others can critique it or add to it. I would also still like to know what your vision of life would be if either we could overthrow the elites, or if what it would be like if they hadn't interfered in the past and were not imposing fear on us.

Originally posted by pjsconcrete
I always thought it odd that the "greys" looked so much like us.

One theory I have is that if UFO’s were time travelling that maybe it is something that humans cannot endure, so they created the greys as a biological robot that can hold up to the rigors of time travel and they can perform certain tasks, but not smart enough to do much else. I have read several descriptions like this, but there isn’t any hard proof just as with any other type. Just food for thought.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Very true..I don't mind mind debating as long as the conversation is friendly.
However, it is evident that we are definitely of a different opinion.
Iam not one to stand here and dictate to anyone what is right and what is wrong. What I want..is for everyone to dig a little deeper, outside of their normal comfort zone...and ask questions..and see what you find.
I have been an ATS member for nearly a year...and I read many conspiracy related topics before coming here. I thought I knew quite a bit.
I knew nothing.
Read everything you can.
Cram as much knowledge as you can into your brain.
Do not just accept what you find.
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
Listen to what people in other countries have to say, or else it is all one sided. Orwellian tactics again.
Be as well informed as you dare to be.

reply to post by AccessDenied


Proof one can gracefully roller-skate in a Buffalo herd. WATS. Long-distance directory assistance area code 202...

Vic

reply to post by Hal9000


Oh my stars..I believe he's got it.
I too thought about the last bit of your post as a possibility, and almost included that in my theory. But I thought it was too way out there.
Hal, the only reason they keep us in fear, is to keep us from finding out what they are really doing.
And what you pointed out about going back in time and creating religion..
well, I was beating around the bush about it, because I did not want to offend anyone. But you are correct in your assumption. That is what I believe.
Like I said..our dumbed down minds cannot even comprehend what is really going on.
I don't have all the answers. It would be EXTREMELY arrogant of me to claim so. Iam searching for answers. The more questions that we all pose together the more I look, the more I read, the deeper I dig.
I really wish I could say what the world would be like without a class of elites ruling over us. However it is merely speculation as to how much of our lives are really run by them, and what we would have to do as a new society as a whole to continue on.
An entire new way of life would have to be established. Would definitely be rocky at first, but hopefully in time, we have the intelligence to work it out and make our lives better than they are now. Not thinking Utopian ideas here..I do not have unrealistic expectations.
Hal, thanks for your questions, and keeping civility. I truly appreciate that.

Originally posted by V Kaminski
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Proof one can gracefully roller-skate in a Buffalo herd. WATS. Long-distance directory assistance area code 202...

Vic

OK, I know..off topic.. and derailing the thread..but just to show that I can keep it lighthearted..THANKS VIC!


OK..back on topic..

Originally posted by darcon
AccessDenied, what is your take on Goup Entities? If you know what they are.
(sincere Question)

Iam assuming you meant GROUP ENTITIES?
en.wikipedia.org...

Not even sure why you brought that into the equation.
Is this what you believe to be truth?
I personally, am no anarchist.

reply to post by Clearskies


Correct Clearskies..many versions..many interpretations..all claiming to be the one truth..but like I said, all branches from the same tree.
I have read the books of religions from many different cultures. The bible, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Kabbalah, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Tao Te Ching, Native American traditions and a few bits of the Koran.
Each religion believes it to be the one truth path to enlightenment or salvation.
It is the bible that I have the biggest problem with.
So much violence and control over the people in the old testament...
The new testament seems to me to just try to shift the gears of the masses and get them to willing do what the elite want in return for a wonderful afterlife.
It is much easier than wasting energy using force.
I do not want to judge those who believe one religion or another. As I said, it is not my place, nor my area of expertise.
We all follow the path that is right for us. I just want to be well informed along that path, whatever the final destination may be.

[edit on 29-2-2008 by AccessDenied]

reply to post by AccessDenied

As far as offending people goes, just about anything you write will offend somebody at some point. Religion is a sensitive subject, but you have as much right to your opinion as anyone else. For me, I feel the same way about abductions. I made the mistake of bringing up sleep paralysis as a possible cause and was chastised by several members, so I know how you feel.

As far as religions having the same origin though, that is true for Jewish, Muslim, and Christianity, but if you go back further in time, religion has evolved from many forms and is an amazing subject. The Greeks and Romans believed in what we call Mythology today, which I still enjoy reading about. My point is that you are right in saying that how can anyone claim their religion is the only true one, when there have been so many others that thought the same thing over the course of history.

Originally posted by AccessDenied

Originally posted by darcon
AccessDenied, what is your take on Goup Entities? If you know what they are.
(sincere Question)

Iam assuming you meant GROUP ENTITIES?
en.wikipedia.org...

Not even sure why you brought that into the equation.
Is this what you believe to be truth?
I personally, am no anarchist.

No this is what i meant,
members.aol.com...

I did not mean to insult you, just wanted your opinion.

Our universe is not the creation of the elite. The "infinite" galaxies, stars and planets are also not an invention of the elite. Our solar system is not an invention of the elite. Who created everything? My best guess is god.

To give humans credit of inventing time traveling machines and space craft is plain ignorant in my opinion. Some nations(or dare I say people) may have gotten access by recovering spacecraft or by agreement with alien forces. Yes I do think "we" have had contact and still do with some species. The vast black budget some nations seem to have as well as witness testimony offer strong circumstanial evidence.

Let me cut to the chase. I think the reptilians control our sector of the galaxy. The inferior greys are controlled by them which in turn control us in many ways. The nordics seem to be the only race friendly to us.

That is what I believe and I may be wrong but at least there is some evidence to support this theory. Thanks to everyone for sharing their views but I am done with this thread.

reply to post by darcon


Well since this is something new to me..I will read your link more in depth and then give you my thoughts. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Always searching for more knowledge.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Our universe is not the creation of the elite. The "infinite" galaxies, stars and planets are also not an invention of the elite. Our solar system is not an invention of the elite. Who created everything? My best guess is god.

EarthCitizen, if you ever come back to read this..I meant no offense to you or your beliefs. I never stated anywhere who created the universe..no one has that information for sure. Unless the elite have it somewhere. Perhaps it was a god...perhaps it was aliens...none of us really knows . That also opens the who created god and aliens can of worms doesn't it? Which came first the chicken or the egg? It matters not because we have both chicken and eggs..and metaphorically speaking, I prefer to never put all my eggs in one basket.

To give humans credit of inventing time traveling machines and space craft is plain ignorant in my opinion.

It is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. And may I thank you immensely for calling me ignorant. I truly hope it boosted your self esteem to no end. Why is it so much easier to believe a race of aliens, or three of them as you have stated, are truly running the show here, versus Humans? I find that a much bigger pill to swallow. And I have seen no evidence of aliens. UFO's yes. The only "Evidence" of aliens is those who claim to have been abducted. This could be very easily done with mind control, and quite often comes out under hypnosis...another way to manipulate the mind.
I have read a lot..not just about Aliens and UFO, but NWO, Montauk, and religion. I cross referenced. I connected dots. I applied Occam's Razor.
Just because it has not been done before, doesn't mean it shouldn't be.
Iam NOT looking to change anyone's mind. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions.
Iam sorry that you felt the best contribution you could post here, was to call me ignorant. SIR, Iam far from ignorant.
www.answers.com...

I did my research, weeding through lots of garbage to find answers. I read a TON of literature on all the above subjects. That is how I DENY IGNORANCE, by being well informed.
I truly hope I have inspired more members to do the same. That was all I wished to accomplish .

reply to post by darcon


darcon, my apologies for taking so long to reply to you. However your link had much information to read through.
Quite the site you have there..I assume it to be yours or you are affiliated with it.
I would have to say that my jury is still deliberating on a lot of the info you presented there. Not to say that none of it is either possible or impossible. With the exception of the Criss Angel and David Blaine stuff.
To me they are simply very good illusionists.
I would like to read some info from other sites, and cross reference a little bit.
You do have a wealth of information there, and it would make a great reference point for anyone who has similar interests. Thank you for sharing it.

This post is purely amazing, it's opened my mind so much. Following the links and doing a little extra research I came across objects like the Dropa Stones and Ancient Egyptian gold models of aircraft. Plus, that page you linked to on historical accounts of UFO's in art is simply stunning. I am 10000x more convinced by historical accounts of UFO's than recent accounts, and this new theory that humans are behind it seems too convenient! A+ work!

Excellent post. I wish I had come across it sooner. I agree completely. Let me, if I may, make the case a little simpler that we can relate to. Recall the advances in technology from the 2nd industrial revolution to the 1960's. The ideas of a year 2000 or thereabout with flying cars and similarly impressive technology was reasonable, both from relation to the rate of progress to that point, and the technology that existed at the time. Where are our flying cars? Where are our ray guns? It simple, society as a whole cannot handle such technology responsibly. Be that by design or by fate. Either way, they don't want us to progress to a point where we could.

Very well done and thought provoking thread AD, Nice.

I’m afraid that all I can contribute is some cheesy 70’s rock lyrics.

…Don’t be fooled by the radio, the TV or the magazines
They show you photographs of how your life should be
To answer someone else’s fantasy

So if you think you’re life is complete confusion
Because you never win the game
Just remember that it’s a grand illusion
Deep inside we’re all the same

…And someday soon we’ll stop to ponder
What on earth’s this spell we’re under
We make the grade and still we wonder who the hell we are

-Styx - The Grand Illusion
edit for sp

[edit on 7-3-2008 by resistor]

Interested Observer, and Wolf..I see that you are new members and I strongly encourage you to read more threads on related subjects here on ATS.
There were a few very good questions posed after the start of my thread that became threads of their own.
There is amazing information to be found here on UFO's aliens and Montauk...
Just for starters.
READ, READ, READ!

Resistor...The lyrics are perfect. thanks.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by AccessDenied]

So do the people who made these time traveling UFO's even know they made the time travelers? You would think that changing past events would change the people who made these devices as well, perhaps changing them enough that they wouldn't even create the craft in the first place.

AD, now that’s what I call a thinking-man’s post. (I mean ‘man’ here means a woman too!!) A star and a flag!

I agree with most of what you’ve said. Especially the so called abduction scenario. As I’ve mentioned in an earlier thread of mine, abductions and those so called ‘Greys’ (We’ve had an overdose of them) are nothing but covert psychological conditioning of citizens by secret black projects like MKULTRA, regarded by some as the most heinous of all the CIA's disreputable covert operations — with its most secret area of study being psycho electronics. What is their aim? Probably psychological conditioning of the human mind to CONTROL humanity!

The kidnapping is real. The fear is real. The pain is real. The instructions are real. But the little grey men from Zeti Reticuli are not real; they are constructs, Halloween masks meant to disguise the real faces of the controllers. Martin Canon

Does this have anything to do with a future NWO? Most likely.

Now assuming that UFO's are man made…

Well, I would put it in a different way. Not all UFOs are alien. I firmly believe that there are advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that have, and are, visiting Earth and other planets. Some are perhaps millions of years ahead of us in technology. Probably advanced cultures have been partying around the universe even before the formation of the Solar System! We know next to nix in our present stage of evolution. There are far more things out there than we can ever imagine!

But we’re not being told the truth. And that’s the bottom line. Mainstream science is probably half a century behind the esoteric and futuristic scientific knowledge that the selected few have gained, put together with R&D by those numerous black projects having unlimited funds that are beyond any audit.

Why don't they (Aliens) make themselves known to us so we can worship them as proper little slaves did in ancient times?

And why should they do that? Worship is a human trait. A human concept that would be alien to them. (Pun unintended). And why use us frail beings as slaves? With their technology, they would instead have produced self replicating autonomous probes/robots that would be capable of working tirelessly without end.

I don't buy the return in 2012 thing. If they are already here, what are they hiding for? Come out come out wherever you are..cause the jigg is up..you ugly little buggers.

Come out to save us? And why should they do that too? We are to them like ants on an ant hill. Would you have liked to save those ants in the event of a calamity? Heck! Would you even try to establish communication with ants? Waste of time, what?

OK so the question is why? Why make people believe in Aliens?
Fear and deceit.

So who’s making people believe in aliens? As far as I know, they’re doing just the opposite. Debunking and trashing everything and anything that has to do with aliens.

But my compliments again, AD, for your very thought provoking post!!

Cheers!