The Grand Illusion

AccessDenied,

that is an excellent opening post and I thank you for sharing your theory.

I have to say that it relates to many of the same thoughts that I have had myself and it certainly makes more sense than the 'theories' that we are forced to go along with.

Thanks for making me think a little bit more.

reply to post by cornixman


Thank you cornixman. I have been having this theory and various thoughts related to it floating around in my mind for years. I needed to do more research and reading though before putting it together such as I did. ATS has provided me with such a wealth of knowledge, that I couldn't resist posting it.
All I hoped to achieve was to inspire people to think, and hopefully share their thoughts if they felt the same way. Iam very pleased with the points that the theory has brought from other members and that just inspires me to dig deeper.
A life long learning experience has begun..methinks!

reply to post by AccessDenied

Thank you for your excellent initial post and for all the hard work and time that went into it. It will take me a while to read through all of your links but I will do it. Even just reading the basic outline and a few of your suppoting references has been thought provoking. It is so refreshing to read a thread that is both interesting and of high quality, both in its content and presentation.

Originally posted by Winefried
reply to post by AccessDenied

 

Thank you for your excellent initial post and for all the hard work and time that went into it. It will take me a while to read through all of your links but I will do it. Even just reading the basic outline and a few of your suppoting references has been thought provoking. It is so refreshing to read a thread that is both interesting and of high quality, both in its content and presentation.

WOW! Many thanks Winefried. I realize it does take time to read through all the links, but without doing so..I fear some of my points get lost, and some people may just not understand the message Iam trying to convey.
I truly appreciate your compliment, and the fact that I have inspired others to research and think. That was the entire point.

Originally posted by Hal9000
Very interesting posts and quite a "grand" theory that connects several strange anomalies in this world. I can't say that I think all of it is true, but it is thought provoking. I have also considered that many things that people see in the skies are possibly time machines. If you think about it, there have been sighting at just about every event in history including the first landing on the Moon, 9/11, and many others. I have considered that maybe they are from the future and witnessing the event that they know is going to happen, but don't try to interfere.

However, the idea that we are all controlled with fear to live our mundane lives the way we do is hard to swallow. Let me ask this. If all of a sudden we were freed from all the control and fear that is controlling us, what would we do?

How would our lives be different? What would we be doing that we don't do now? I ask this in all honesty, because I am curious to hear your responses.

No fear controlling my life. Frustration certainly at the lazy mindless greedy stupidity that pervades society. I had always known that such people existed but it is only later in my life I see how many there are. You can't avoid having your life steered by these unpleasant people. Greed at the top, laziness at the bottom and mindless stupidity in the middle ensuring clever hard working folks don't upset the gravy train!

So: I'm working to jump off and retire early and then sit back and watch as bitching, complaining, fear(!), conspiracy is discussed endlessly instead of looking at your neighbour and realising : your one of those idiots...your the problem!

You don't need time machines, aliens, NWO, mind control etc etc. You only need self preservation by those who don't deserve what they have.....and they KNOW it!

Very well explained. I merely read the OP, but I'm sure that it must have give birth to some exellent thoughts and I look forward to read rest of the thread.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
Fear is a powerful force.Second only to thought in my opinion. It is what paralyzes us daily.Fear of the smallest things, like forgetting something, or losing something, to fear of death or what comes after it. How much does FEAR really rule your life?
Fear rules us all.THEY use fear to rule us all.We must all act in spite of fear. They only control us, because we are afraid.

Especially I liked that part; even if rest of the post might be more or less speculation (although I am not saying that they are), this quote sums up the most important tool of this grand illusion.



35 flags and 24 + 21 stars at this moment. Nice numbers

reply to post by UFOBountyHunter


Exellent post. Very mind tickling. So it was God's will that J. was crucified, says teh bible. But if it was not, but was later explained that way? Jesus had find something in man that could radicalize whole concept of human being, so he had to die? Even if they killed him, they almosts failed. "Break this temple, and I rebuild it in three days.".. And according to the "legend", so he did. Anyways, if he had lived on few hundreds of years or even longer, the world could be quite different today, just as UBH said. If any human, as J. said, could be able to do this, no one would fear and all willing to live "by the way" could live happily on in a happy world... forever. Sounds like a fairy tale hehe

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Those in the highest power,are unknown to us. You can say aliens, or Masons, but I believe they are a pure bloodline of HUMANS.

AccessDenied,

could you elaborate a little on who you think this pure bloodline of humans are?

I do believe there is some form of "Illuminati" running the show but I was curious as to your thoughts on who you think they are?

cornixman

Originally posted by cornixman

Those in the highest power,are unknown to us. You can say aliens, or Masons, but I believe they are a pure bloodline of HUMANS.

AccessDenied,

could you elaborate a little on who you think this pure bloodline of humans are?

I do believe there is some form of "Illuminati" running the show but I was curious as to your thoughts on who you think they are?

cornixman

In my opinion...not stating this as fact, because I don't claim to know all there is:
There are a few Families (I use that term for lack of a better one) that have been running the show secretly for generation after generation. There is enough of them to keep their bloodline pure but without actually being incestuous if you catch my drift. They are completely unknown to us all, and quite happily let us believe that reptilians, freemasons, or aliens, or gods are truly running everything. Their greatest power is that of secrecy .
Cornixman..I too am just delving into this head on looking for answers. The LAST thing I would do is come here stating "THIS IS HOW IT IS". I presented a theory that makes sense to me, but like my opening post states..a theory is just a theory and it does not make it correct. Iam open to comments and suggestions that either support it or do not.
Either way..as members we will all ask more questions, think more, research more. That is the goal I wish to achieve.
Iam not asking everyone to believe my theory as a whole, because that would be unrealistic of me. Everyone's beliefs are different based on life experience. However, if some of you can take one or two bits, and they make sense to you...and you learn..or are inspired to read more..and dig deeper...then I have accomplished what I set out to do. Which is to:
DENY IGNORANCE

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reply to post by malcr

Yes, now your talking my language. I agree that fear is not what runs my life, and frustration describes my feelings as well. In the US I see my country as a once vibrant beacon of hope, but recently it has become like a company that suffered a corporate takeover and is being bled for the last remaining resources only to be discarded when they are finished. This has happened because we let it happen. I appreciate the comments and good luck on your retirement.

One thing I think the OP is right about is that religion has been used for a means of control, and would agree that fear of going to hell could be considered one of those means. But if you would ask a religious person, they would probably argue that it is the hope of a better afterlife is their motivation.

I understand that many people believe that our capitalist society is evil, but I think it mimics human nature and works better than any other. Before we can change that, we need to evolve into a more humane species.

This should help to explain the matter:



Unified Theory for the Universal Structure: System of Truth



If you recall from school, an atom is composed of 99.9% empty space. What we perceive as reality (mass) is only .1%. The Universe is composed of fractals. Yes, there must be an ultimate boundary, but it's in line with God "Infinity." Our galaxy resides at a certain scale the same as there's an atomic scale, subatomic scale, and a much larger scale being the Universe... Beyond it room to expand.



From top to bottom you'll find the same model. The model... A torus formed out of some very basic math (1-9). Basically behind the scenes are donut shapes creating vortices. Black holes directed into white holes. With the elasticity of the torus magnetic currents or tentacles stretch out as a product of the vortices creating defined patterns. The two magnetic currents are the fabric of what is holding everything together in our Universe including the atoms themselves. Development or growth in nature is by means of magnetic centripetal and centrifugal forces of these individual currents and the neutral particles of matter. I've incorporated both physics and philosophy into my research now. Please review the following:



en.wikipedia.org...



www.youtube.com...



www.theresonanceproject.org...




Electrical Charge within Torus:

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Magnetic "Web" created by Vortices (example only):

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Particles accumulate to form structure:

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It all takes on the same design:

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Our reality is merely the resistance (or radiation) of a single point. Reality is the center at which matter churns itself inside the vortex. Traditionally speaking time/ motion does not exist. It's an assembly/reassembly from one center to the next. We are static in particle form while the entire Universe is kinetic in nature. Information/consciousness grants us the control to manifest (assemble/reassemble) reality.



Becoming aware of this concept allows you to generate less resistance through the vortices passing bits of information/consciousness (such realities are in constant cycle). If we were to "link up" and work together, information/consciousness is passed on a more robust scale (creating even less resistance), and "cycling" understanding at far greater rates. And that's all Life is... Understanding.



If you were to step back, and take a look at the whole of Creation...

You would see a pyramid with the cube for a cap stone.

Now imagine living inside this structure being collapsed all around you.



Throughout each scale you have a series of 20 tori and 7 "buffer" zones (6 directions of space plus 1 source). The cube is homeomorphic. It is a cube by representation alone. In actuality this is the torus which moves light/matter/energy.

en.wikipedia.org...

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en.wikipedia.org...:Mug_and_Torus_morph.gif




Cont...


blog.myspace.com...

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reply to post by Americanist


OMG! Well that gives an entirely new meaning to "Learn something new everyday"
Thank you for that Americanist. Much reading and learning to do there, since about half of that flew over my head at Mach3.
A great contribution to my thought process and the thread.
Post starred.

Good Job AD!!! Starred & Flagged I just got done reading through all of the posts... now I'll start getting into the links you've provided - Thanks!

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
Good Job AD!!! Starred & Flagged

I just got done reading through all of the posts... now I'll start getting into the links you've provided - Thanks!

Thank you EyesWideShut..and your welcome.
If I have done nothing more than inspire you to read and learn..than today is a good day.

How exactly is the Church 'suppressing' knowledge and 'controlling' the people? And which church is it?

I think Christians are very hard to be controlled!

From the Beginning The 'Authorities' had a problem with Christians being independent.
Peter and Paul and the Christian Revolution
Then England.
Samuel Adams, Father of the American Revolution
As well as Paul Revere

Now, some Christian Americans Like Alex Jones

End Game

are and Ron Paul are standing and giving a voice against Tyranny and Evil.
So Are WE!
Then, there's
Greece
and
China
and environmentally-minded
Christian colleges Green revolution


BTW, here's a site about Evil Bloodlines





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reply to post by AccessDenied


No offense...but I think your making a mountain out of a few boulders!

Yes there are elites in every country and some even have global influence but that does not mean everything is absolutely controlled. If anything I would say the military industrial elite, fortune 500 companies, US government and royal british families have the most influence...but again there are limits.

You seem to place an awful lot of "trust" in humans(as I mentioned in my previous post) while discounting the extra-terrestial aspect of the ufo phenomenom. Do you honestly think humans would have the know-how to make their own space ships without any help? Why would there be such a large black budget then if all this knowledge was already known by some?

As far as the fear aspect ruling our lives...your overly generalizing! In some aspects fear works well such as preventing secrets(any secrets)from being released to people that shouldn't know. For example, if terrorists get access to biological weapons, nukes, chemical warfare then how safe would our world be? Just look at the anthrax cases shortly after 9-11. A lot of people almost got killed and a few did!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

As far as the fear aspect ruling our lives...your overly generalizing! In some aspects fear works well such as preventing secrets(any secrets)from being released to people that shouldn't know. For example, if terrorists get access to biological weapons, nukes, chemical warfare then how safe would our world be? Just look at the anthrax cases shortly after 9-11. A lot of people almost got killed and a few did!

Please do not take this offensively EarthCitizen, but that fact that you pointed out Terrorist and 9/11..which is a forum unto itself , I'm sorry..kinda PROVES my point that you are being ruled by fear. Terrorist has become a household word since 9/11. The thing is..there have always been terrorists in the world. We never thought much of it before. Now it has been hyped up so much so that we jump at the slightest thing that may signal a terrorist attack. We DO live in fear now. A fear that was created for us. A fear that may enable Martial law to be implemented for our "SAFETY".
As for secrets..well that depends on what you feel should be known to the public or not.How much do you think is kept a secret because the general population can't be trusted with it. Oh my..now there is a thought. We can't be trusted with the knowledge in and of our own country? Let the "Elite" worry about it, and we'll just go around saying "BAAAA". Not for me thank you.
As for faith in humans..well of course. How could I not? It was not aliens who created everything around me. Did you even truly read what I posted and the links supporting it? I think it's obvious I don't believe in Aliens..
But if you wish to..I'll not argue with you. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

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reply to post by Clearskies


Clearskies..I pointed out that I didn't include the religious aspect of this because It is not my area of expertise. That and the fact I would prefer to keep those feelings to myself..as it would turn into a very ugly debate, that I don't wish to happen.

Suffice to say this...
The church itself..and I mean all churches when I say that, no matter what branches you speak of it all stems from the same tree...is, was, and always will be in league with Government and law to control the people, by whatever means possible.
From ancient times where ministers were advisers to kings to present day. I don't think much of that has changed except that in our modern times..more modern tactics are used.
One book..one book alone, rules so much. To me that is unreal.
That being said..I respect the beliefs of others no matter what they might be.
It is not my place to judge .

Fantastic post AD!!!!!!! I love to read other people thinking the same things I do. It makes me feel just a little less nuts. I especially liked the bit about fear. "Since 9/11 everything has changed," we hear that alot. All that is is fear-mongering. If the people are afraid (of the government, of terrorism, of crime, of their neighbors, friends, everything) they don't think. They think with their gut instead of their mind. Anyone or anything that is different from them is something to be feared.

I had a UFO sighting when I was a kid, and ever since, I've been fascinated by who and what they are. My theory was always that they were US coming back from the future to get new DNA or natural resources. I always thought it odd that the "greys" looked so much like us. Any life from another planet could be so alien that we would not even recognize it as life. Time and space are connected. The faster you move through space, the slower time moves for you. Therefore, time travel is possible. If you could warp time-space enough I think you could do anything you want to it: sidestep to the past, alternate time-lines etc.

Maybe I just watch too much Doctor Who!!

Great thread!

reply to post by AccessDenied


Which Version of the Bible?
There are SO many.


Interpreting Ancient Manuscripts

The Alexandrian Text

This text arose in Egypt and is generally conceded to be the most important one. Westcott and Hort, who named this the Neutral Text, thought that Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus had preserved a pure form of the Alexandrian type of text. It is now evident that these manuscripts had been corrected by later scribes, but they are the most ancient uncials and preserve the Alexandrian text at an early stage. Some of the important papyrus manuscripts also represent this family.
The Byzantine Text

This family has been designated by many names. It is called Byzantine because it was adopted in Constantinople and used as the common text in the Byzantine world. It was produced in Antioch, Syria, under the direction of Lucian near the beginning of the fourth century and has been called the Syrian or Antiochene text. It was used almost universally after the eight century. Both Erasmus, who created the first printed Greek text, and the translators of the King James Version of the Bible used this type of text. It was produced by combining earlier texts and has less value than the Alexandrian text. A (Codex Alexandrinus, fifth century) and C (Codex Ephraemi, fifth century) are the oldest representatives of the Byzantine family. A great majority of late uncials and minuscules belong to this group.
The Western Text

This family of texts was clsoely related to the church in the west, particularly in North Africa. Although it can probably be traced to the second century, its value has been disputed. It was used by the erly church fathers. Its age would seem to suggest great importance, but there are clear indications that it was not carefully preserved. It is best represented by the Old Latin translations, by the Syriac versions, and the church fathers. Its most famous representative is manuscript D (Codex Bezae) for the book of Acts.
The Caesarean Text

This family of texts was widely used in Caesarea from which it derived its name. It seems to have arisen out of the Alexandrian text but was also mixed with the Western text. Consequently, its value is limited. Metzger suggests that it is necessary to distinguish between two stages in its development, the pre-Caesarean and the Caesarean (Bruce M. Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, p. 215). Some of its more prominent representatives are W (Washington Codex, fifth century), P45, and two groups of minuscules and lectionaries.

Bible Versions

A vital fact to remember is that though codices Aleph and B (produced in the 4th century) are older than other Greek manuscript copies of the Scriptures, they are not older than the Pe#ta, Italic, the Old Latin Vulgate and the Waldensian versions which were produced 200 years earlier in the 2nd century. All these versions, copies of which are still in existence, agree with Textus Receptus, the underlying text of the King James Bible. I repeat: these ancient versions are some 200 years older than Vaticanus and Sinaiticus: so the 'oldest is best' argument should not be used. All Bibles fall, basically, into one of two categories.

* Those based on the Majority Text. (Textus Receptus)
* Those based on the Minority Text. (Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus etc.)

New Testament Manuscripts

We see that manuscript versions AND translations of them into common language are 'part and parcel' to Understanding what God would have us know about our government and ourselves.

Any study of the translation of the languages of the Bible focuses on John Wycliffe and William Tyndale. Wycliffe (1330-1384 AD) opposed the shackles of Romanism and urged England to a great spiritual revival. Wycliffe believed all men should have ready access to God's word. Wycliffe undertook and finished a translation of the Bible from Latin into English in 1382. Wycliffe's work is the first complete translation of the Bible into English. John Wycliffe's work prevailed until the sixteenth century. The true father of the English Bible, though, is William Tyndale. Tyndale wanted to provide man with a translation into English from the original Hebrew and Greek, not the Latin, which was itself, a translation. It was during this same time period that Martin Luther finished a translation in German. The Catholic Church determinedly did all within its power to stop translation work and to keep the Bible from being available to all men in their languages. Tyndale was imprisoned in 1534 and in 1536, he was strangled and burned at the stake. Tyndale's efforts were not in vain, though, his New Testament was completed in 1525 and in 1535, Miles Coverdale, a scholar and friend of Tyndale, published his translation, partly based on Tyndale's work.

Byzantine manuscripts

When it finally came time for the protestants to translate and verify their own Manuscripts of the Bible, they took great care to make sure that they were as accurate as possible. Their knowledge of linguistics and languages and translation was phenomenal. Their knowledge easily surpasses the "expertise" of modern scholars, but even today, it is protestants who continue to translate the Bible into all languages around the world. If it were not for Protestants, the Bible would still be a banned book, which is what the Roman Catholic Church declared it to be for anyone who was not a Priest.

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Originally posted by AccessDenied

Please do not take this offensively EarthCitizen, but that fact that you pointed out Terrorist and 9/11..which is a forum unto itself , I'm sorry..kinda PROVES my point that you are being ruled by fear. Terrorist has become a household word since 9/11. The thing is..there have always been terrorists in the world. We never thought much of it before. Now it has been hyped up so much so that we jump at the slightest thing that may signal a terrorist attack. We DO live in fear now. A fear that was created for us. A fear that may enable Martial law to be implemented for our "SAFETY".

There is nothing wrong with fear provided it is not excessive. Humans fear...animals fear. Its a natural reaction to the unknown and can help prevent mistakes and/or mishaps from happening.

What exactly do you mean by " A fear that was created for us."? In your opinion was it an inside job? If so then I think our conversation is hopeless...as I will not bother refuting this utter nonsense!

And then you say "martial law"! While it is true that new laws and agencies have been created I don't exactly see a need for martial law. I think the governments also do not see a need for this however you should not expect them to just stand still and watch innocent people get killed. In other words they have to do something...do you see my point?

As to why 9-11 happened just look at american imperialistic foreign policy that has been implemented with an iron grip for many decades. "If you are not with us then you are against us" said the Bush administration. Naturally such comments are not appreciated and only show super power arrogance and greed. Europeans are also guilty for past "mistakes" and those that supported the bush administration only did so, so they could receive a piece of the pie in the restructuring process of iraq.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
As for secrets..well that depends on what you feel should be known to the public or not.How much do you think is kept a secret because the general population can't be trusted with it. Oh my..now there is a thought. We can't be trusted with the knowledge in and of our own country? Let the "Elite" worry about it, and we'll just go around saying "BAAAA". Not for me thank you.

Who is preventing you from getting a government job? If you think you can make a difference then maybe you should run for office. If you feel talented then why not start your own corporation? We don't live in the middle ages anymore where people where born into a "caste system" and you were obliged to live in a certain way. We do have free choice you know...at least in the western world.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
As for faith in humans..well of course. How could I not? It was not aliens who created everything around me. Did you even truly read what I posted and the links supporting it? I think it's obvious I don't believe in Aliens..

I never said aliens created our world. I believe god created the universe. There is speculation that god and lucifer are "beings" of higher dimensions...perhaps aliens. I cannot know if this theory is correct so I will refrain commenting any further...but it is an interesting topic any way you look at it.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
But if you wish to..I'll not argue with you. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

I don't mind arguing as long as we keep the conversation friendly.