Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Again you are mistaken, they dont teach that. Why are you guys so obsessed with ron? you do know he prophesied that dont you?

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Hey, another one!

Yet you don't say what he does teach!

We are obsessed with his inaccuracies and every false prophet claims some spiritual mana from those that oppose them. Keep in mind the obsession for those that still follow him even though not a single 'prophecy' has even come close to happening. It's actually to do with entertainment and ATS is all about entertainment.

I mean we are 'entertained' with those who have yet to stand back from the wall to see where the door is but keep banging their head on the wall.

Originally posted by daggyz
reply to post by spaznotz

 

Hey, another one!

Yet you don't say what he does teach!

What's the point? I f you guys are so obsessed, and are so out to prove him wrong, shouldn't you know already?

We are obsessed with his inaccuracies and every false prophet claims some spiritual mana from those that oppose them. Keep in mind the obsession for those that still follow him even though not a single 'prophecy' has even come close to happening. It's actually to do with entertainment and ATS is all about entertainment.

Entertainment? Maybe you need to take a look at your own life if this is what you do to find entertainment. And as for none of his prophecies coming close to happening, can't you see you're actually fullfilling one of them now?

I mean we are 'entertained' with those who have yet to stand back from the wall to see where the door is but keep banging their head on the wall.

hmmm, so basically you are entertained by the fact that you believe people are being decieved? Wonder what Christ would think of that? If these people are being decieved, why would you mock them and look down on them as a source of "entertainment"? Seriously, if you do believe they are being decieved, shouldn't you instead be praying for them, acting instead with love, not sarcasm, mockery, and general hatred?

1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

An ounce of insight would show you that by looking down on these people and mocking them because you believe they are wrong, you are doing so to in turn lift yourself up. It is a very basic form of pride, and against everything that is taught in the scriptures. Anyhow, carry on if you wish, don't let me interupt you.

Originally posted by spaznotz
Again you are mistaken, they dont teach that. Why are you guys so obsessed with ron? you do know he prophesied that dont you?

Could you please supply a reference to the Spokesman Witness's prophecy on that? A sermon statement in advance of it happening?

Actually, Weinland said the opposite. In his sermon of January 6, 2007 "Church Overview Part 3" Weinland stated:
"I’m so tickled that we have a very short work to do. Because they can’t come after us like they did Mr. Armstrong. They don’t even have time to get organized. Because they started lambasting him and the Worldwide Church of God as being a cult. And the government of California gave him a hard time, gave the church a hard time. They were stirred up in spirit, in a wrong spirit. We aren’t going to be around that long, to worry about all that. They don’t have time to even come after us. They’re going to be preoccupied with other things. Thank God. You’re going to come to understand that far more deeply as we go through some of this. You truly will."

But if indeed Weinland did prophesy that, and we really do fulfill it, then it's the only one of his prophecies to come true.

reply to post by spaznotz


Oh my goodness. Take a pill!

ATS is an entertainment forum nothing less.

To analyse my speil, piece by piece, is somethign the religious always do to defend their stand. To say mocking a false prophet proves them right is insanity and those that follow him prove my point in this. All false prophets say people will mock and God will get them. What tyou fail to undertsand (liek all the rest) is that NOTHING has ever been correct that has come out of the mouth of RW.

I said in this forum that many thigns will not come to pass and they didn't. Does that mean I'm a prophet.

Take a check of yourself.

Another notwe to remind those who cannot see what their prophet has said.

Lets examine his curses....


The Curse Review
Countdown: 565 Days left
Remaining Sabbaths: 74
Fulfilled Prophecies: 0
Ron’s Death Toll: 0

Zero, zero, zero. He's has nothign, does nothing and will fade into oblivion if God doesn't have mercy on him and take him first with a heart attack. Ohh if it happens I'll have prophecied that!

spaznotz : are you a follower of Ronald Weinland?

I invite you to post a single prophecy, that is specific enough in its details to merit attention, that has been fulfilled and that has come out of the mouth of RW.

Did you look at the scripture yourself? To see if what the scriptures says and what RW does (as well as preach).

Do they match?

When Ronald Weinland made his wife head of the church, thus over-riding the biblical command against doing so, did that not tell you who he is?

Do you know that two witnesses (at least two) are required in God's law in sentences of death?

This is why there are Two Witnesses required (they are not here yet). Because they will have power to pronounce death by fire from their mouths. So two witnesses are required. So the fact that his wife, is a silent witness, invalidates any testimony he has, and thus his credentials.



Are we agents of Satan, to dissuade from the truth? Or are we trying to dissuade you from following a false prophet?


Did you check Zech? The passages that discuss the Two Witnesses, did you know the bible is explicit on the gender of the Two Witnesses? It says they are sons of oil. Did you know that? Did you check the Hebrew? To see if it is indeed correctly translated "sons of oil"?

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Not to put a twist on the male issue relating to witnesses, and I do agree it will be two males, but the 'sons' of God to be revealed relates to the spirtitual beings we are which have no gender. Your spiritual being and mine and my wifes are without gender. God refers to sons of God as the 'spiritual' beings that we are not the physial flesh that will rot and decay.

Any thoughts on this?

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Heres something I want you to read. It comes from Rons own mouth and is still in print.

"And there are those who have condemned me for what I wrote in the book concerning the death of many ministers who were part of the scattering in God’s Church, especially of specific leaders that were mentioned. God has clearly revealed to His Church that I am the “Elijah to come,” and not in “type,” but in fullness of spirit and power. Elijah was known most by what he did to several hundred false prophets. He killed them! Now a prophetic type of that is going to follow upon the Church that was scattered. It is one of the Thunders of God, which God gave to me to proclaim. It was of my choosing, but my choosing was in unity and harmony with the power and spirit of God. It came from God!"

- Fullness of spirit and power - Where?
- Who's died? - None! (not many... NONE!)
- Revealed by what sign? - Lots of people think they are Jesus. Some of those actually do kill people?
- Elijah was known by what he did, not just what he said. - Whats Ron 'done' ??!!,

If you have the courage, please reply, we'd all love to hear it, but in the end all his defenders can prove nothing as there is nothing that can be proved other that what supports those that believe RW is either just misguided, a conman, or both. Personally I think he's just listening to voices in his head that don't come from heaven.

Originally posted by daggyz
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib

 

Not to put a twist on the male issue relating to witnesses, and I do agree it will be two males, but the 'sons' of God to be revealed relates to the spirtitual beings we are which have no gender. Your spiritual being and mine and my wifes are without gender. God refers to sons of God as the 'spiritual' beings that we are not the physial flesh that will rot and decay.

Any thoughts on this?

God the "Father", Jesus the "Son", they both have male characteristics / nature.
I would say they both have "gender", but not in the normal physical sense (ie have male organs).

In the next life, we will retain our "male-ness" or "female-ness", but we will not be sexual beings.
(see verses below)


2 Corinthians 6:17-18 (King James Version)

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



Do spirit beings retain their "full" male-ness/female-ness? Nothing is revealed on this aspect.
But, it appears we will not all be "neuter" or "male".

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
spaznotz : are you a follower of Ronald Weinland?

I invite you to post a single prophecy, that is specific enough in its details to merit attention, that has been fulfilled and that has come out of the mouth of RW.

I have no interest in defending RW on internet forums, so this will be my only response.

Did you look at the scripture yourself? To see if what the scriptures says and what RW does (as well as preach).

Do they match?

Actually I did, and actually, yes, they do.

When Ronald Weinland made his wife head of the church, thus over-riding the biblical command against doing so, did that not tell you who he is?

Check the biblical command again, it says they shouldn't preach, and they don't.

Do you know that two witnesses (at least two) are required in God's law in sentences of death?

This is why there are Two Witnesses required (they are not here yet). Because they will have power to pronounce death by fire from their mouths. So two witnesses are required. So the fact that his wife, is a silent witness, invalidates any testimony he has, and thus his credentials.

She is only silent when it comes to preaching. Just because you don't hear her doesn't mean she's silent.

Are we agents of Satan, to dissuade from the truth? Or are we trying to dissuade you from following a false prophet?

You're simply trying to destroy RW because if he is right, then you are wrong. It's a pride thing.

Did you check Zech? The passages that discuss the Two Witnesses, did you know the bible is explicit on the gender of the Two Witnesses? It says they are sons of oil. Did you know that? Did you check the Hebrew? To see if it is indeed correctly translated "sons of oil"?

Yes, yes I did. Did you check Genesis 3? This passage alone proves that the hebrew word does not refer always and ony to males....

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children (same hebrew word); and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1121 ben bane from 1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 1, 251, etc.)):--+ afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter , X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

Noticed the thunders he prophesied?

Anyway, take care guys.

I have no interest in defending RW on internet forums, so this will be my only response.

Failed prophecy after failed prophecy (and by his own admission), yes, RW's position is indefensible.

Did you look at the scripture yourself? To see if what the scriptures says and what RW does (as well as preach).
Do they match?
Actually I did, and actually, yes, they do.

Actually they do not. When you deny Christ's pre-existance, this is the ultimate denial of Christ which according to the bible definition is an anti-Christ doctrine.

When Ronald Weinland made his wife head of the church, thus over-riding the biblical command against doing so, did that not tell you who he is?

Check the biblical command again, it says they shouldn't preach, and they don't.

It also says the women should not rule over you in the Church. Mrs Weinland is a position of authority over the whole church (RW's church, not Christ's Church), in clear violation against the bible command.

She is only silent when it comes to preaching. Just because you don't hear her doesn't mean she's silent.

A witness testifies to "the court", that according to your own claim, she is "silent" (externally), invalidates her claim to be a witness. A silent witness is of no value in the world's court, much less in any biblical scenario.

You're simply trying to destroy RW because if he is right, then you are wrong. It's a pride thing.

I have no problem with anybody being "right". If he were right, I would have no problem with that. The biblical case is against it though.



Noticed the thunders he prophesied?
Yes, where are they? I noticed everybody he's cursed to death, is still alive and kicking.

Hey Spaznoz. "...if RW turns out to be right..." ?????

How long must we wait? He was suppossed to be right in 2008, but he wasn't and then in 2009, and he got it wrong again, and now 2010 and he'll miss that too, and then 2011....

Usually prophets are known for prophecies that come true. He's known for ones that dont and the Bible is very clear about those people.

Originally posted by daggyz
Hey Spaznoz. "...if RW turns out to be right..." ?????

Usually prophets are known for prophecies that come true. He's known for ones that dont and the Bible is very clear about those people.

Yes, tragically, Ronald's own admission that his early prophecy did not pan out, doesn't seem to be enough.

Under OT rules, which do not apply today, such a one would have been stoned to death.

God's solution is simple, you rid yourself of such a one, thus protecting the whole congregation from further deceit and apostasy.


Do you think false prophets PURPOSELY tell false prophecies? Or do you think they are sincere?
Do you think in the OT, a false prophet, knowing he was false, would...knowing he would be stoned to death, prophesy whatever he had in mind?

No.

The point is this, Ronald Weinland sincerely believes what he prophesies. But the fact is, sincerity does not come into play. His prophecy did not come to pass. It's supposed to be a no brainer. You depart from him, or throw him out of the church.

When will his followers actually lay out on this forum what he's actually predicted that has come true? There has been a huge list of incorrect ones, but is there not ONE right one? (he asks cheekily knowing there aint!).

Come on DocX, be generous, give us something to challenge us. This is as bad as the Nostradamus stuff that was all altered to fit the circumstance.

Apparently Ronald Weinland The Insane Lying False Prophet stated in a recent sermon...
"And Christ definitely is returning in 2012 but if he doesn’t there will be a sermon on the topic."

So basically he's seeding doubt on HIS OWN PROPHECY, basically opening the door to the possibility that he is in fact WRONG AGAIN. Not only wrong again, but wrong on the most important prophecy ever.

Unfortunately, in this case he will be "correct", Christ will not return on Pentecost.

The bible states Christ will return on the "last trumpet", most assuredly this will be on the Feast of Trumpets.

I pity Ronald's followers.

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In his sermon of January 6, 2007 "Church Overview Part 3" Weinland stated:
"I’m so tickled that we have a very short work to do. Because they can’t come after us like they did Mr. Armstrong. They don’t even have time to get organized. Because they started lambasting him and the Worldwide Church of God as being a cult. And the government of California gave him a hard time, gave the church a hard time. They were stirred up in spirit, in a wrong spirit. We aren’t going to be around that long, to worry about all that. They don’t have time to even come after us. They’re going to be preoccupied with other things. Thank God. You’re going to come to understand that far more deeply as we go through some of this. You truly will."



i get the idea that his inner sanctum group, the peoples he admits, "We're not going to being around that long"...

had the idea of taking the money from the books, CDs, donation plate...etc

Then securing their Off Grid sanctuary place with the water supply, ham radio, bunkers,
and bio-diesel production, underground hydrophonics and nonlethal security for the compound...

and withdrawing from the ministry, holing up for the calamities that they are sure will come very soon

(i wonder about the Russian cult in the cave since 2009...have ALL of them finally come out, or are there some diehards still doing their "seperation from the world"...?)

The next failed prophecy on the horizon (that is...based on Ronald Weinland's incorrect interpretation of prophecy, not that it will not come to pass in God's timing).

It has to do with the 200million man army. From what I hear, he believes it will occur "1 year, month, day and hour" before the end of the Tribulation. This would be around upcoming April.

I don't know if others can confirm that this is his teaching(?)

It's based on an incorrect understanding of the passage in Revelation that discusses this.

Well apparently the USA, Canada and all countries 'linked to Israel' (meaning the lost tribes I assume) will fall. He stated ALL countries.
He said THIS year.
Well then I guess we are all safe as we can count on RW words as nothign ever happens when he says it does. I can get on with things this year, yahoooo

I look forward to how Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland, will spin this bird/fish death scenario we're having his way.

The bible does indeed talk about sea life dying off, what we see now is a fore shadow of events to come, they are not *the* fulfillment of those Revelation prophecies.