What if I have found a way to immortality?

We are immortal, it's called a soul.

reply to post by ThreeNF


Kudos to that my friend.

reply to post by trust-no1

About the soul, I believe in same way. Cloning cannot clone soul, as it (soul) has developed in very special way, by the way you have lived, by the actions and non-actions you've made (and so on). Merely copying the nerveways and nervecenters doesn't copy your soul. It is something else. But soul in cloning doesn't necessarily have to be a problem; if we could just replace a failed organ at a time, cloned from one's own stemcells, we could certainly extend our personal lives to some extent. This was interesting:
Reuters.com...

reply to post by ThreeNF

Once people achieve peace, they already know something important about the truth

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Now I throw in a fresh perspective to this conversation: Sometime ago I read translated texts of Samael Aun Weor about holy sexuality. Unfortunately I couldn't find the english version of that particular text (will post if I can find it), but in there Samael spoke about transforming the sexual energy to seed one's brains and organs. That the sexual energy which we usually merely release by orgasms, could be used to achieve something greater and more pure. Sexual energy can be used to transform one into a superhuman (according to Samael) like Beethoven or another great figure from history. I know that there are people that disagree, but to some extend I know it will work for I've tried. It is hard when you are married man with quite normal sexuality.. Don't you wait for the orgasm? Well of course, but if you choose to refrain from spilling the seed, your will power will have huge positive effect. Also, it is fascinating to think that power of the sex, which when combined with opposite sex can create new life, so when not wasted and released, can do wonderful things in human body

I wish you the best,

[edit on 27-2-2008 by v01i0]

I don't believe there is any soul or mystical spirit that comes out of you at death.

Leviticus 17:11 (Darby Translation) - For the soul of the flesh is in the blood.

What this means to me is that the soul is equivalent to your DNA or genetic code. It is through this genetic code that the Elohim proceed to re-create those people whose life on Earth is worthy of eternal life on their planet.

IF this whole thread is hypothetical then there's nothing u should do. You're just going to have to die with the rest of us.

Originally posted by v01i0
Yep, I know you find it hard to believe, but suppose it is true. I assure you, I have real moral issues about sharing this knowledge. Therefore I want to consult ATS about what should one do?

I mean, there's lot of money available to one with knowledge like this, but I don't value person by his wealth - but a poor person can be just as immoral as rich and fat (and ill), when received with a gift of immortality.

Should I form some school, or tradition or some religious movement around this knowledge? No, because it wouldn't be moral to rise some people above the others. This is real problem for me as well, I cannot use the knowledge because I would elevate myself, and therefore I would just be very lonely in my immortality.

Should I tell it to everyone then? No way, currently there are way many people inhabiting the earth, and if they cease to die what a catastrophy we would have at our door? Mankind just seems not to be ready for such gift. Then you wonder why you aren't immortal? Maybe I just have to die with the knowledge I have

[Mod Edit: Title edit as requested - Jak]

[edit on 20/2/08 by JAK]

I just found this thread, so my apologies for coming late to the party.

My strategy of finding out the secret of immortality was to find a real immortal or two and ask them how they extended their lives. It took several years and a lot of work, but I succeeded in finding a 2,800 year old man who had the secret.

If you are serious about this subject, then you will be quite interested in my research and findings on this very topic.

I have summarized what I have found on my main blog: Ben-Abba.com.

Check out the post “Summary of the Facts” when you get a chance and then my follow up book “Secrets of an Immortal - An Eyewitness Account of 2,800 Years of History”.

Or check out my thread here on ATS.

Blessings!

reply to post by VisionQuest

Yep, hypothetical as mentioned. And welcome posting to this thread Care to back up your proposition any more?

reply to post by benabba

Welcome benabba. Existing work is always appreciated I'll be happy to read what you have to say (and even comment if I get a chance). Thanks for pointing out your work, for I had no idea about it. I hope that you may find something useful from this thread as well


Blessings

[edit on 27-2-2008 by v01i0]

I hate it when threads die...

Anyone believe that if a person never drank alcohol or used substances that kill cells.. maybe they would increase their life by 10-20 years.

Then if a person took all of their antioxidants they might add another 10-20 years.

Then if a person were to Eat correctly add another 10-20

Then if a person bathed correctly and slept correctly another 10-20

Then if a person wears the correct clothing to prevent damaging UV light into the skin add another 10-20 years

Then you could use algebra and realise that they wont add up they will kind build up to somewhere around 1000 years of existance.

I think thats an interesting thought. Considering we have lived longer by taking care of ourselves.... now that we know more... what are the possibillities.... sp..?

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Yep, I think that is a good way to live long. But obviously "they" (the unamed they) don't want us to live too long. That's why they feed us with all kind of junk foods, fake medicine that actually make you more sick, all kind of unhealthy stuff. But yeah, it makes me wonder if that is the conspiracy - they give you a choice if you want to kill yourself, please go ahead and lead unhealthy life. It's a way to reduce world population, I guess. Just one tho. And it wouldn't really be a conspiracy since one is still having a freedom of choice. Let's assume for a minute that there would be a specifiable NWO that wants to reduce world pop. Would they like people to become immortal? Or even to live long? Nope I'd guess, but only those of 'elite' that has enough money for health services could live longer.. Well, if so, one can always avoid all kind of poisons by keeping up with information. I hate how they put poisons in a tooth paste nowadays

Originally posted by v01i0
reply to post by trust-no1

 

About the soul, I believe in same way. Cloning cannot clone soul, as it (soul) has developed in very special way, by the way you have lived, by the actions and non-actions you've made (and so on). Merely copying the nerveways and nervecenters doesn't copy your soul. It is something else. But soul in cloning doesn't necessarily have to be a problem; if we could just replace a failed organ at a time, cloned from one's own stemcells, we could certainly extend our personal lives to some extent. This was interesting:
Reuters.com...

The soul, i belive, is not merely developedby the way someone has lived or by their actions as you say. We are born with souls, people believe souls do many things after death but most people that believe in souls believe that it is what lives after your fleshly body dies. Some may believe it goes to heaven or to hell, others believe it is carried on from where you left off (ghosts). There are many many beliefs of the soul in the afterlife, but yes, like you and i have said, the cloning of your body does not clone yoursoul hence you are not alive though your figure is on earth.

About the replaceing of your organs. I could think of plenty reasons why that wouldn't work and one is just simply because it would be too tireing for one to keep going everytime his or her body part fails. Like a car we start out in ship shape. Everything usually works perfectly (I say usually beause unfortunitaly in this world, not all brand new babies are functioning perfectly, sadly ) when we are born, just like a car after it has just left the factory. As time grows on our body gets weaker, and parts start failing, like car parts. Yes we can replace different parts of our body like you would a car. For instance a liver or a car's engine. But what happens to a car when it cannot take any more repairs? It dies out, now matter how many times you try to fix it up, it will always fail more and more, the owner will eventualy get tired of fixing the car up all the time and buy a new one. Our bodies cannot live forever just by merely getting replacements each time. Nothing lasts forever. Plus the money issue of the whole ordeal. There are just too many points to go over.
But i think that was a nice idea.
Maybe if we had much better and advanced technology we could make organs like those in "Bicentinial Man" if anyone remembers that movie. haha.

Here is a quesiton to go with the subject of this thread.
If you once take the elixer of immortality, can you reverse it?
If you take it and you cannot undo the effect, than you may be the biggest fool who ever lived.

There was no mention of perfect health for that duration. I am 50 and I have no desire to spend eternity locked in this aching meat bag.

I remember a Richard Heinlein book where he refers to the life expectancy of an immortal being 600 years before an accident kills him.

Worse would be to be gradually whittled away piece by piece over eternity until only a sentient lump remains.

I have not even mentioned what the effects upon humanity would be if this were publicly available. Eternity packed shoulder to shoulder standing in a crowd. No room on earth for another body, until PLOP another immortal is born, never to have the room to stand among the crowd, eternally huddled among its legs.
What fresh hell is it that people dream of?

Recycle it's natures way.

even if man was in the state prior to a fall due to consuming fruit in the garden there would still be ways of interacting with physicality that would be as painfull in nature as an emotional hurt.

Imortality would diminish us all on this plane.There would be little reason to learn the lessons needed to progress on our paths.Nothing would be accomplished as you would have all the time in the world and no imperative to act.

Hypothetically, immortality would be very very bad.

The bad things in your life, along with the good things define you as a person. If there was no fear of death, there isnt really a fear of getting things right. No deathbed remorse.

This is ignoring the fact people breed like rabbits. How long till theres no room left to stand? let alone the hell of having no food but not being able to die.

The romantic in me would love to be immortal so I could watch the world move over the eons. But the pragmatist sees it with horror.

reply to post by Cyberbian


I agree with you completely.
This world is overcrowded as it is...and we don't need imortals running around making this world even more populated.

Just imagine having imortal criminals, imortal terrorists, suicide bombing would be any problem anymore.

Even if imortality could some day be obtained without such things as cloning, organ replacements and whatnot, i agree completley with Cyberbian, why would we want this...recycling is completely natrual and completely necessary.

I cannot tell you how happy i was when i read that. hehe.

reply to post by lordtyp0


and with your statement of right and wrong, that is something i never thought of. Great thinking. 100 % agree.


[edit on 3/18/2008 by trust-no1]

I'd Rather Choose that Spiritual Immortality that God have Promised The Way to Heaven is very narrow and to many traps & thorns along the way.

Enduring the maximum pain History repeat itself the Good and the Bad.

Ecclesiastes 3

A Time for Everything

1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,

4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,

7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10 I have seen the burden God has laid on men. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12 I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. 13 That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

15 Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account. [a]

16 And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment—wickedness was there,
in the place of justice—wickedness was there.

17 I thought in my heart,
"God will bring to judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time for every deed."

18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [c] goes down into the earth?"

22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

www.sidereel.com...

[edit on 18-3-2008 by johnb1]

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Here is a quesiton to go with the subject of this thread.
If you once take the elixer of immortality, can you reverse it?

I dunno about elixirs, but the way I'm speaking of, it is reversible. Yes, you can start decaying if you stray from the path - which as mentioned above, is a narrow one.

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Hypothetically, immortality would be very very bad.
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This is ignoring the fact people breed like rabbits. How long till theres no room left to stand? let alone the hell of having no food but not being able to die.

Exactly, this was one of my original issues. If means to immortality would be common knowledge (and could be easily put in practice - which it's fortunately isn't):

Originally posted by v01i0
...currently there are way many people inhabiting the earth, and if they cease to die what a catastrophy we would have at our door?

Happy thoughts

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Hmmm scary post.

There is two ways to immortality.

My path(Path of the divine, those who would die to give every human on the planet rights and peace on earth),


Or,

To sell your soul.

And I reccomend you dont, because God is pissed.

To the OP on this thread
If you have the secret to immortality then give it to me.
I have pizza!

the divine path would be preferable

the cloning path would be good as well.

On the time scales we are talking about overpopulation of earth wouldn't be a problem as we aren't that far from space flight.

the well financed shall inherit the earth.The poor and the disillusioned will be shot into space.

we must do this to prevent our extinction,even if only to the asteroid belt.

On a side note,I am SO sick of "it's not natural"this phrase is meaningless!
If natural creatures use natural resources to do it,it is natural!

I'd never sell my soul,i prefer rental agreements.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by the_grand_pooh-bah]

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Mmm, pizza

Well, exactly I don't have the method itself, just few theories, cloning being just one. Another one is to object the cell destruction and to increase the renewal process. Why do we heal when we are young, and begin to slow in healing once we are getting old? Something within grows weary and stops functioning in the way it used to function when we were young.

Also then there is also this metaphysical concept where the matter never dies, it just fluctuates; when we physically die - meaning our consciousness is gone and some of our organs stops functioning, this matter disintegrates. It changes in form but haven't disappeared. It moves on and joins to other organisms and whatsoever.

But as emphasized throughoutly this thread - I do not posess any quaranteed methods that gives one immortality. Anything can happen in life, but they are not outcome of random processes; maybe the life of our matter continues after our consciousness has left us.

-v