How is Killing for your God justified

reply to post by biggie smalls


It isn't about spinning it to justify it, it's spinning it to confuse the people on your side of the fence into not wanting to know why you're seeking so much Glory so often.

Example; You use the aforesaid method of social subversion in order to acheive glory and renown by taking the heads of some local bandits - who have infact been living a peaceful and otherwise inconspicuous life hiding out in small villages.

The local Land-Lord tells the Clergy of his intentions, perhaps informing them of how these bandits were performing heretical rites of initiation into their group.

The Clergy tells the populace of the :Lord's doing, And everyone simply assumes that this is the way that God intended it.



In a single, corny statement; At the very heart of lies and deceit, one finds Evil.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

reply to post by biggie smalls


Ok- I am corrected 1948 - I thought the 6 day war did it. I was wrong - it doesn't change my point.

What other Nation has survived form 6,000 BC???

Yeah I don't really understand it, but God chose the Jews. Laugh all you want but my opinion based on the Bible is God needed a race to keep a pure bloodline to Christ, it was Gods seed in Marys womb. He needed a bloodline because fallen angels were genetically manipulating DNA to create Giants in Genesis 6. I believe they doing it again today, that's why "Alien" abductions have the reproductive element to them.
More info on Biblical UFOlgy

reply to post by Bigwhammy


Except it hasn't. It was artificially recreated with the express intention to fulfill a prophecy. It is a performance of man trying to move God's hand, if you want it in religious terms. Though, as a point in your favor, the Israelites have gone right back to their god-ordained ethnic purging of the area

reply to post by Bigwhammy


You are mixing historical fact with fiction.

There is no proof that Yeshua is any more of God's bloodline than the rest of us.

The truth is we are all a part of God, but God does not have 'blood.'

reply to post by biggie smalls


I am going by the Bible which shows a pure Jewish genealogy to Jesus.

My opinion is he chose a race so he could protect the bloodline. The genetic war was started when God said to the serpent "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."(Genesis 3:15)

Her seed was the Jewish race, they show a line from Eve to Jesus.

Who is the serpents seed?

[edit on 2/17/2008 by Bigwhammy]

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


So the Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and Hitler losing WWII -- all that was artificially created Hmm?

It justified by the irrational ego.

After all, the very first book of the Bible/Torah (Genesis) says:
"He who takes life will have his taken."

So its more like a curse, an unending cycle.
Notice that wars never are won by killing...everyone would be dead.

The Bible is ignored and the sheep dont recognize the masters voice, as it were, and follows a strangers who tickles their ear. (much more fun this way...boring to go by the book you know. AFter all look at the golden calf....they couldnt wait to be 'bad' boys and girls.

For those who take Christianity or Judaism for that matter, seriously...then there is no excuse for the killings. Even islam doesnt condone it (if your a sufi).

So the people get the god (idol) they want and create with their hands, mouth and thoughts, speech.

You wont convince a fiery zionist, evangelical Christian to not fight...you wont convince anyone, for that matter, of anything.
At the end of the day, if you want to know - well the answer is there for you.

peace

dAlen

reply to post by biggie smalls


we are all equal in G-D's eyes ?

not exactly:G-D looks at our conduct and behavior and views us differently accordingly.

malachi 1:1the oracle of the word of the Lord to israel through malachi.i have loved you,says the Lord.but you say ,how have you loved us?was not esau jacob's brother?declares the Lord.
yet I have loved jacob(israel);

but I have hated esau.

reply to post by yahn goodey


We are judged when we die. Ok, I can go with that.

However, that gives you no right to judge others in God's place.

You are not God, neither am I.

What gives you the right to say what you think "God" would want?

Murder is murder. Plain and simple. There's no scripture that can get you out of this pickle.

You guys should probably not use the bible as a reference book since there are no other historical references to a lot of what the bible talks about; especially about Jesus. It is not historically accurate.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Whoa. My God does not need me to kill anyone for Him. In fact, He says whoever sheds another person's blood will have to give an account for their actions. My God is not impotent nor does He need me to go around slaughtering people in His name. And if I'm deluded enough to believe such a thing, then it will be my knees that are wobbling on judgment day for doing such a thing. Jesus commanded us to do just the opposite: turn the other cheek and love our enemies as ourself.

Do you agree with the Old Testament of the Bible? I would think so, since under your name it says "bible thumper." I just want to make sure though before I ask you my next question.

It clearly states in the OT that Christians should kill non-Christians or disobedient Christians. You can't deny that. In fact, God himself committs genocide against the entire world by creating a flood to drown everyone (btw Drowning is ranked upon one of the most painful deaths). God also commands Joshua to take his army and kill other non-jewish tribes down to every last woman and her child. How do you reconcile with this?

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
It clearly states in the OT that Christians should kill non-Christians or disobedient Christians. You can't deny that.

Actually, no it does not. "Christians" were not even around at the time because Christianity did not even exist for someone to be labeled a Christian. Semantics, yes, but that answers your question. When Jesus came along with His progressive revelation, He even told us exactly what to do. Again, turn the other cheek, love our enemies, and know that violence begets violence.

In fact, God himself committs genocide against the entire world by creating a flood to drown everyone (btw Drowning is ranked upon one of the most painful deaths). God also commands Joshua to take his army and kill other non-jewish tribes down to every last woman and her child. How do you reconcile with this?

I have explained this so many times that I'm exhausted. HERE is where I explained all sorts of things like slavery, the flood, the Old Testament Jewish wars, the death penalty, etc. Start with page 11, find the first comment where we take the thread off topic, and read the next several pages or so. I even linked to it for you on another thread where you asked me the exact same thing. Hope that helps. I also supplied several links to articles that discuss the very things you asked in depth. They're also in that thread.

reply to post by biggie smalls


Really how do you explain this:
To comprehend what Pannin discovered try this suggested exercise

Design Challenge: A Genealogy (must follow these rules)

- The number of words must be divisible by 7, evenly. (count # of words, divide by 7, no remainder)

- The number of letters must also be divisible by 7, evenly

- The number of vowels and the number of consonants must also be divisible by 7.

Additional requirements:

- The number of words that begin w/ a vowel must be divisible by 7.

- The number of words that begin w/ a consonant must be divisible by 7.

- The number of words that occur more than once must be divisible by 7

- The number of words that occur in more than 1 form must be divisible by 7.

- The number of words that occur in only 1 form must be divisible by 7.

- The number of nouns shall be divisible by 7.

- Only 7 words shall not be nouns.

- The number of names shall be divisible by 7.

- Only 7 other kinds of nouns are permitted.

- The number of male names shall be divisible by 7.

- The number of generations, shall be divisible by 7. (21)

* This happens to be describing the genealogy of Jesus Christ found in Mt 1:1-11, (in Greek, which is far more rigid and far more difficult to make fit these rules, b/c of all it’s syntactical rules)!

reply to post by Bigwhammy


No. But the present state of Israel is. See, you're the reason there's such a damn big problem over there. People need to stop regarding the existence of a secular state as being absolutely crucial to their faith. All you do with that outlook is generate more hatred and suffering by blindly supporting one side in a land conflict because a book tells you that people who practiced Judaism lived in the area X thousand years ago.

firegoggles,

I have no idea what you're talking about.


reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Exactly!

The Old Testament says there were 'Israelites' practicing Judaism in the area around 4000bc onward (an estimate).

These people left several times and then came back. Each time, they were changed significantly.

The 'people' dispersed and mingled with the rest of us 'gentiles' and now there is no 'race' of Israelites.

The Semitic peoples are made up of Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, some Egyptians, etc etc.

The "Jewish" people are no more. There is no pure Jewish bloodline. It simply does that exist.

Jewish=Religious based term

Israelite=Regional based term

They do not go hand in hand.

reply to post by AshleyD


After reading your recent post and following the link you supplied to your other posts, I have copied this statement you made seeking further clarification.

I was actually thinking of Colossians 2 but Acts 15 is a great confirmation of this and basically says the same thing that we are no longer under the Law.

Do you include the Ten Commandments in the Law we are no longer under.

Cybrseer

reply to post by cybrseer


No I do not and it is due to Jesus' own summary of the Ten Commandments. The Old Testament TC's can be divided into two sections: Love God and love our fellow man. These are the two "commandments" Jesus issued. And if we love Him and love each other, then there is no reason to worship idols, murder, lie, steal, etc. The only heated topic that stems from this in Christian circles is whether or not Saturday or Sunday should be our holy day.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Bigwhammy

 

No. But the present state of Israel is. See, you're the reason there's such a damn big problem over there.

Oh I am the reason?
Wow I am lot more powerful in your eyes than I thought there foxy! I am so flattered. But seriously, I wasn't even born in 1948.

Sorry but the preceding 5000 years of surviving genocidal warfare kind of weigh a little heavier on what you are saying about the present day. WWII wasn't that long ago and 1948 as you so aptly pointed out was a direct result. The Allies could have just as easily lost that war and Hitler was certainly determined to exterminate them. Guess what we won the war. That could not be a "manipulation" by Christians. That my dearest WalkingFox is Divine Providence.

Having not read the other posts, I'd just like to say that the Judaic God is not a trinity. That's a Christian concept. Meanwhile, I'll hold other comments until I read further.

You know how someone gets away killing in the name of their god? Because their god doesnt personally come here to stop anyone or to say that this is wrong.

Its kind of like saying well if i dont get caught then it isnt a crime.

Organized religion was created for this purpose. who will question the churches motives? They did it for god. Unless god says otherwise then its a go.

It also goes to say that many things that are forbidden by religions also go unpunished by their respective gods.

The truth? No gods!