Holocaust Reparations Bill could cost Americans 200 Billion Dollars

reply to post by marg6043

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by jsobecky

 

My friend 60 or more year old insurances polices that more often than not are going be outside of the US are going to cost money for somebody that has no mean to afford the investigation.

investigations, research and so on now where the money to finance that is coming from?

Where it said that people with successfull claims will be told to pay anything back.

It would seem to me that these may be among the simplest claims to settle.

"I" (hypothetical "I") have a copy of a life insurance policy bought by my father/mother/uncle/family friend. It names me as the beneficiary. My father/mother/uncle/family friend died in the Holocaust. I never received the payout from the policy. Where is the canceled check, Mr. Bigshot Insurance Executive?

Worst case is I need to lay out some money for investigation and research. If I win the suit, I am awarded those costs. If I lose, I have to absorb them.

There are ways for indigent clients to sue, also. It's been done ever since there were lawyers that worked on contingency. Also there are class action suits.
Edit:

And btw, I wasn't laughing at you. You know that, right?

[edit on 18-2-2008 by jsobecky]

Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by Arcane Demesne

 

Businesses are not the American people. These people are dual citizens of Israel and the US for the most part.

Bankers do not equal the country of America. They are individuals.

George Bush's grandfather made a pretty penny off the Nazis, but we don't hear about that these days do we? Why don't we have the Bushes pay?

They got rich quick off providing the Nazis with precious commodities.

But the Bush family is rich, and you can't take money from the rich! Don't you know that by now? I mean, after 8 years of taking tax money from the poor and middle class then giving it to billionaires as "Corporate Welfare" you'd you would have learned by now that money from poor and middle class is what funds the top 5%. Take coporate welfare away? They'd still be billionaires, we'd just have a lot more money in our pockets.

Also, while we were fighting Hitler and the NAZIS Prescot Bush was giving him millions. Isn't that treason? Yet what is the Bush Mantra nowadays? "You disagree with us you hate America!" Yeah, thanks for supporting Hitler. Oh wait, then GHWB Supported Osama and Saddam, and GWB supported Osama right up to September 10th! Giving millions of dollars to him in June, hospital care at an American hospital in July, and escorted onto a US Military base for more medical treatment on Sept. 10th.

The Bush's seem to have a history of supporting our enemies...

reply to post by jsobecky


I know you wasn't laughing at the me but rather at the whole issue been debated, here.

I find very out of place that legislation has to be passed for this, like having US government backing this pursue of claim is going to influence foreign governments into giving in for the people involved when many of this insurances companies or groups are going to be out of business by now.

I still do not see how can this help anybody with claims no originated in the US.

Originally posted by marg6043
I know you wasn't laughing at the me but rather at the whole issue been debated, here.

I find very out of place that legislation has to be passed for this, like having US government backing this pursue of claim is going to influence foreign governments into giving in for the people involved when many of this insurances companies or groups are going to be out of business by now.

I still do not see how can this help anybody with claims no originated in the US.

I think it might help if you put yourself in their shoes. Lets say in this example that you were effected by the holocaust. Your mother and father both paid for life insurance policies through insurance companies in the 1930's which happen to still be around to this day. During WWII your mother and father were rounded up by the Nazi's and killed while in a concentration camp. You happened to survive and make it to American where you became a US citizen. After the war is over you find out that not only did your parents die in a horrible inhuman fashion but now you must fight equally inhuman insurance companies which do not want to pay out for the deaths of so many people. So these companies find any technicality or small print reason to deny the claims. Now, after decades of hopeless struggle the US government is lending a hand to help right a huge injustice. You can now file a claim with the government and let them go after the judgment which was rightfully yours to begin with. There is nothing about this process that even requires you to be a Jew. This policy effects millions of non-jews also. Anyone who did not receive the benefits of an insurance policy because of Holocaust-era policies by insurers are eligible.

[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

Still makes no sense what so ever to used legislation for this type of issues.

It seems that our constitutions is to be use as a backing for this bill.

But it doesn't apply because the holocaust was after the constitutions was written.

(19) Due to lower court interpretations of the Garamendi case, this Act expresses the intent of Congress to legislate to the maximum extent allowed by the Constitution regarding the rights of Holocaust survivors and the heirs and beneficiaries of Holocaust victims to obtain information from insurers and to bring actions in United States courts to recover unpaid funds from entities that participated in the theft of family insurance assets or the affiliates of such entities.

Also this bill will extend to Jews outside the US and living in other nations

Now I don't care about any of the insurance companies that will be targeted if the they owed money they should pay, but what I find very disturbing is why legislations is needed and to the extend is been intended for this.


Where is the retribution to slavery victims forced to come to the new world for work against their will?

Or where is the compensation for all the native Americans that were killed when this nation was raped and conquered.

People are always been complaining about this two issues in this nation, so I see no problem with people been against this piece of legislation.

See my point, the whole entire issue makes not sense for congress to get involved, it looks like favoritism for one groups of people over others if you look at it carefully.



[edit on 18-2-2008 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
Still makes no sense what so ever to used legislation for this type of issues.

But it doesn't apply because the holocaust was after the constitutions was written.

Also this bill will extend to Jews outside the US and living in other nations

Now I don't care about any of the insurance companies that will be targeted if the they owed money they should pay, but what I find very disturbing is why legislations is needed and to the extend is been intended for this.

Where is the retribution to slavery victims forced to come to the new world for work against their will?

Or where is the compensation for all the native Americans that were killed when this nation was raped and conquered.

People are always been complaining about this two issues in this nation, so I see no problem with people been against this piece of legislation.

See my point, the whole entire issue makes not sense for congress to get involved, it looks like favoritism for one groups of people over others if you look at it carefully.

We are not talking about reparations or compensations. How can you really reimburse a race of people for crimes that happened hundreds of years ago, even though the US government has tried in vain with the Native Americans.

We are talking about insurance companies who still operate that just flat out refused to pay within this generations lifetime. These events did not happen four hundred years ago or I would be against it as well. The people who should have been paid are still alive.

Someone larger than the average person must get involved. If our government cannot throw its weight around and lend the American people a hand then what good are they? The government is an entity created to protect its citizens.

Of course, I really do not see this as only Jew issue, which sadly seems to be the problem of so many posters here on ATS. Millions of non-Jews were also affected by these crooked insurance companies and dishonest practices, which swindled billions of dollars.


[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

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Like I said I careless if they sue whatever they want to get what belongs to them, but why legislations for it, what purpose is will serve.

BTW is another thread now that it seems that Holocaust surviviors are now wanting to sue the US government for failure of the Allies to bomb the railway bridges between Hungary and Auschwitz during the Second World War.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I got the feeling that something is going on.

Originally posted by marg6043
BTW is another thread now that it seems that Holocaust surviviors are now wanting to sue the US government for failure of the Allies to bomb the railway bridges between Hungary and Auschwitz during the Second World War.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I was going to tell people in this thread about that, too . Yeah, so Jews are expecting money from taxpayers and they are suing the US for a military issue . This is ridiculous. By the way, I am using the term "Jews" generally .

Originally posted by marg6043
Like I said I careless if they sue whatever they want to get what belongs to them, but why legislations for it, what purpose is will serve.

BTW is another thread now that it seems that Holocaust surviviors are now wanting to sue the US government for failure of the Allies to bomb the railway bridges between Hungary and Auschwitz during the Second World War.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I got the feeling that something is going on.

Write your congressman and tell them that you want them to vote no on that bill.

or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.


[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

reply to post by zerotime


I already did, this bill is not going to add anything to me as an American citizen so I don't see why the waste of time and money in congress that spend more time passing legislations for a police state than anything else.

They are a disgrace to begin with.

Originally posted by zerotime
or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.

Say what you want. If the US government is involved in ANY way, someone is paying for it. And that someone is the US taxpayer.

BTW, we've already paid these people (who came up with this bill) their salaries through taxpayer money. So, YES, we've already paid money for this. You can't sit there and say we haven't or won't. If the US government is involved, it will cost us. End of story.

I don't care if they are jews, black, white, purple, etc. If the US government is involved, we, the taxpayers, foot the bill.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by zerotime
or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.

Say what you want. If the US government is involved in ANY way, someone is paying for it. And that someone is the US taxpayer.

BTW, we've already paid these people (who came up with this bill) their salaries through taxpayer money. So, YES, we've already paid money for this. You can't sit there and say we haven't or won't. If the US government is involved, it will cost us. End of story.

I don't care if they are jews, black, white, purple, etc. If the US government is involved, we, the taxpayers, foot the bill.

So what if it costs a little money? The government wastes billions upon billions of dollars every year. It isn't going to cost that much because as it has already been pointed out the insurance companies who lose have to pay the costs. That means no taxpayer money was used. This is a small price to pay imo to right a human injustice. Too bad more people do not want to fight for the rights of others.

So far most posts early in this thread carried misinformation and flat out lies. When those lies were disbanded the only thing left to fall back on was the good old, taxpayer money defense. I personally think many poster like to use 'taxpayer money' as an excuse to hide their real feelings on issues.

But hey, don't like the Bill then contact your congressman and ask them not to vote on it. It is that simple. Maybe they listen to you and maybe they don't. That's life. That's government. Use your votes wisely.


[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

I've already pointed out a couple of cases of frivolous litigation. How about an example of frivolous legislation?

Congressional hearings on steroid use by professional athletes.

The insuranceco litigation seems a higher use of our dollars, imo.

Just when you thought it was safe to read the forum

Someone has to post the most asinine bill for the most unconstitutional legislation since,,,since,,,

Well since the last one Congress slipped by us at 3:00AM This is a proxy version taxation without representation if it gets passed. Don't even tell me their will be a vote because this deal is SO absolutely wrong on so many levels being brought up at the most critical time regarding the current confidence with our National Debt service.

Yeah that's what it is DEBT SERVICE, we don't HAVE an economy anymore.

The guy that expressed his third party sympathy for the unfortunate beneficiaries for these insurance carriers losers, has confused Uncle Sam for Uncle SAP.

This Government has NO Business even suggesting this bill be entertained much less signed and Bush-whacked. They are not a collection agency they have NO fiduciary obligation to them nor do we.

The Government can push its weight around to protect its people??

Tell that to the Americans that will get raped having to satisfy some groups fantasy that the Pursuit of happiness isn't a pursuit

BUT A GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT!

I am watching Moyers as I type this and he just mentioned our 9 trillion debt. We have been in the red 31 of the last 35 years by 2025 every dollar the Government takes in will go to paying the interest on the debt.

My damn Grand kids will be asking me what the hell that box is in my old photos and Ill have to explain to him that back then we didn't live in a cave we had "Homes" but we couldn't afford them anymore because we got BUSHWHACKED terror attacked and Jew Jacked.

If they wanted to avoid having this appear Jewish sour grapes then they shouldn't have called it "Holocaust" and call it Hell of a cost


- Con

PS:The Chipmunks sum it up for me video.google.com...

reply to post by Conspiriology


You sure wrote a lot. To bad none of that rambling was coherent.



[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

Originally posted by zerotime
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

You sure wrote a lot. To bad none of that rambling was coherent.



[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

So let me get this straight,, your ad hom not withstanding,, you get exhausted reading anything longer then a five sentence paragragh and reading my post was analagous to reading the book War and Peace?

The last part is indicative of a cry for help? dyslexia? or what are you suggesting?


- Con
Try this

Originally posted by zerotime

Originally posted by marg6043
Like I said I careless if they sue whatever they want to get what belongs to them, but why legislations for it, what purpose is will serve.

BTW is another thread now that it seems that Holocaust surviviors are now wanting to sue the US government for failure of the Allies to bomb the railway bridges between Hungary and Auschwitz during the Second World War.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I got the feeling that something is going on.

Write your congressman and tell them that you want them to vote no on that bill.

or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.

[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

Hey Guy,, we can't all have that staggering intellect you think you have but that doesn't give you a license to be so condescending.

Unless you need to belittle people to augment your ego,, have at it.

It does little for your complex shun

- Con

reply to post by Conspiriology


Do you have anything constructive to add to this post besides racial slurs and jumbled rants? I read your post twice. You are all over the place in it. I can't tell what point you were trying to make or even if your post had a point.

I'll bring you up to speed with the cliff notes version.

1. The Bill is not reparations and tax payer money is not used for reparations.
2. Anyone who was wronged by Holocaust era insurance policies can make claims – the process is not limited to Jews.
3. The US government will take insurance companies to federal court on behave of those citizens who file and collect restitution for the unpaid policies and reimbursement for court costs and costs of research.



[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

I have heard there are preparations being made by people that lived in the "occupied" territories that are claiming to be "Holocost Survivors"...that never even once were detained by Hitler's ungodly henchmen.They just happened to live life like we all do and survived.They "seen the elephant" so to speak. Kind of reminds me of certain trials and lawsuits going on in the southern states of the U.S. that had "Reconstruction Acts" forced upon them without the vote of citizens.