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Originally posted by StopComplaining
Stone is dropped, falls to the ground.
Stone is dropped, falls to the ground.
Stone is dropped, falls to the ground.
Therefore gravity is real.
Why do you not apply this rule to history.
I.E. something happens over and over again, therefore it does not exist?
Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by adigregorio
I believe that you may have misunderstood me. In your post you set up (or reference from 'The Hero: A Study in Myth and Tradition') a very specific chronology.
8) What foster parents? Are you referring to Joseph? His mother was Mary and correct me if I'm wrong, but she was with him.
(1) His mother was a virgin. His father was (2) god (also referred to as Lord (aka king)). He was (4) born of immaculate conception. Again his father is (5) god, or Jehova. King Herod heard of this "savior" and (6) attempted to have him killed. (7) He is spirited away. (9) We are told nothing of his childhood. (10) But when he hits manhood he returns to his future kingdom. (11) After a victory over Satan, he becomes (13) "king of the Jews". (14) For a time he reigns uneventfully, (15) and prescribes laws. However, (16) he loses favor with the Jews, and is (17) driven from his throne as king of the jews. He (18) meets with a mysterious death, (19) on top of a hill. (20) He has no children to succeed him. (21) His body is never buried, and (22) he has holy sepulchres.
Originally posted by EricD
9) There are many, many tales of his childhood. Most are not accepted by the orthodoxy, but they are out there and extremely popular (and becoming more so).
Originally posted by EricD
11) What victory over Satan are you referring to?
Originally posted by EricD
13) He does not 'become' King. There was no coronation, no change in status.
Originally posted by EricD
14) Where did he reign? Who did he reign over?
Originally posted by EricD
By the way, what specific church were you referring to when discussing the adherence to the gnostic gospels?
Originally posted by contemplator
adigregorio don't bother. The christians rule this site and are already well into derailing your thread just as they derail and shut down any thread that puts their cult in a negative light. Their tactic is relentless bombardment until the OP or other posters give up and leave. Kind of like a filibuster against reason.
Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by adigregorio
The three main texts of interest on the early years of Jesus are the Infancy Gospel of James, the Gospel of the Infancy, and the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. They, in conjunction with other apocrypha, are entitled the Infancy Gospels. In them you will find numerous tales of the childhood of Christ.
Originally posted by EricD
Speaking of specificity, can you please provide a source for receiving the keys to hell? And refusing temptation is a rather placid victory over a dragon, wouldn’t you say? The Christian belief of Christ’s victory over Satan is that it comes in the end times.
Originally posted by EricD
You are providing a very clear timeline. He is victorious over a dragon (Satan) and then becomes king. Can you please provide a reference for that sequence? Please, no weasel words.
Originally posted by EricD
You claim that it is believed that he reigned in Jerusalem over the Jews. Can you provide a source for that? Again, specific references and citing would be appreciated.
Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by adigregorio
....I go and get you specific information on them and then you wonder why I'm doing so. Well, maybe it's because you asked for specifics?
Originally posted by EricD
You seem to be a stickler for specificity and give no references to the keys of hell even after being asked for them.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Originally posted by EricD
You decry the lack of reading comprehension in others and then claim that I said that Satan is not referred to as a dragon or wild beast (please note that I said neither).
Originally posted by EricD
Also, upon reading your recap; your trying to shoehorn Jesus into #’s 11, 13, 14 and 15 seem spurious at best and if you accept the possible legitimacy of the Gnostic gospels then # 9 is also thrown into doubt.
11: After a victory over the king and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast
Originally posted by EricD
You continuously ignore the fact that the listing of 'criteria' aren't isolated points, but follow a specific chronology, which then invalidates the inclusion of Jesus in your pattern.
Originally posted by EricD
Your thesis is flawed, your argumentative is poor and your ascribing motives to other posters is just silly. Your reasoning doesn't even measure up to the level of specious.
Originally posted by EricD
You don't offer any citations or specifics to back up your assertions and then lambaste the same in others.
vic⋅to⋅ry
–noun, plural -ries.
1. a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
2. an engagement ending in such triumph: American victories in the Pacific were won at great cost.
3. the ultimate and decisive superiority in any battle or contest: The new vaccine effected a victory over poliomyelitis.
4. a success or superior position achieved against any opponent, opposition, difficulty, etc.: a moral victory.
5. (initial capital letter) the ancient Roman goddess Victoria, often represented in statues or on coins as the personification of victory.
Originally posted by The Parallelogram
You've encountered something important here.
Look into Horus, Mitras, Krishna, Beowulf and Harry Potter too. all the same story, with varying degrees of departure from consensus reality.
An important concept in esoteric study hinges on the understanding that all of history's great heroes have been retreads of a single story: lack of factual reality does not deprive something of power. Even if these fictional characters are only symbolic, they serve as fulcrums against which the ponderous might of the human Will can be turned to great achievements.
We need our lies, because they help us understand what the truth should be.
excellent research, and great thread.