"Gun Control is the Only Answer"

reply to post by Dinamo


So what can you tell me about this guy?:

April 29, 2002 -
17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic opened fire with a handgun shortly after noon at his high school in Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina, killing one teacher and wounding another before taking his own life.

nice find starviego
and so this isn't a 1 line post i agree wholeheartedly ironman- nice rant

Originally posted by starviego
I was just being sarcastic. More likely these blog posts could have been little 'inside jokes' on the part of the mind-controllers and covert operators that I really believe are behind all this.

Sorry. Thought you where serious.

Originally posted by starviego
reply to post by Dinamo

 

So what can you tell me about this guy?:

April 29, 2002 -
17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic opened fire with a handgun shortly after noon at his high school in Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina, killing one teacher and wounding another before taking his own life.

I don't know, in Az they are going to allow teachers to have guns.

So if he came in the class room at least he might have second thoughts. Problem is, when ever these happen in schools, they seem to know it is a suicide mission anyway. They have scanners and people to check students at the door for guns . When I was in school ,, man it was big news if someone got caught with a switch blade but times,, they are a changin.

Kids are much more violent which is not because their are more guns.
If more people are violent and police get there just in time to make a report or yellow tape a crime scene, then I want my own gun

it's just that simple.

- Con

Guns in the hands of sensible owners is not a problem. What is a problem is how sensible owners can become mentally stressed like normal folks, and when that happens instead of a depressed/angry/suicidal guy, having guns around means he's also armed. And not giving a flying heck about those around him. Gun control is simply trying to lessen the risks of when someone flies off the handle or wants to hurt others, that they won't have plenty of guns and ammunition lying around to help them. The argument about "red dawn" and governments trying to invade is hilarious, as governments have main battle tanks, radios, equipment, training, supply lines, etc. Having guns doesn't do anything in the face of all-out total war.

Yes, the UK does have high knife crime statistics, but it also has really, really LOW murder rates. Robbings rarely result in a death, burglaries likewise. So by not being armed, you're less likely to be killed. Criminals can't get guns easily in the UK, as they're not sold in shops on street corners, or in peoples' houses ready to be stolen. As soon as one is encountered by the police, it's confiscated and destroyed. Taking guns out of circulation helps the safety of the civilisation. Want to protect yourself? Then make sure your police force is well-funded. They're not going to go crazy like you might. They're never drunk or on drugs when they have their guns (I don't know about in the US - your cops seem to do things differently). The reason we live in civilisation is so we don't have to concern ourselves with life-or-death decisions and matters on a daily basis. No-one should be in the position where their life is at risk, and the idea of having a gun seems to suggest that it's perfectly acceptable for that to happen. Having guns in society is about as far from civilisation as I can think of.

reply to post by bakednutz


1. i meant universal health care - lazy people and illegal immigrants don't count. health care through taxes works just fine.

2. education - didn't mean you're stupid - i ment education about weapons and war - if republicans clame that every man right is to defend himself and cary guns for that - you should educate kids even more about guns and war generally. i get impression that kids from USA and i met few, don't take guns seriously, and what's even more bizzare war is just a game for them. guns don't shoot, people do. By the way I'm from Croatia and believe me there is no shooting at schools and collegess here or in close countries like you claim that is everywhere else like in U.S.

What will new laws bring, when most of the shooting is done by illegal firearms. Instead of U.S. shooting all over the world you could clean your's back yard

sorry if my english is bad

Funny how only Americans think they have the right to possess the greatest means of killing another human being at their personal disposal.

Seriously messed up train of thought, train wreck.

There has been no greater misinterpretation of anything than the slant placed on the Bill of Rights pertaining to self defence.

The greatest threat posed to Americans is their government, the reason for guns, and yet you have the best means of dealing with this threat (the ballot box) and yet you are all so caught up in your right to be able to kill whomever you wish you simply lost your most potent weapon, democracy and human decency.

Time for Americans to learn some history outside their own myopic, parochial solipsist epicentre.....

Australia holds the record for the worst mass shooting, Port Author, 35 dead with semi automatics, we removed guns from our society. Sure knife crime went up, but I feel safer there than anywhere on earth.

We don't just need to get rid of guns in the States, but the whole world, and as it stands now, the states are the main pushers....thanks.

The ballot box doesn't do a thing for you if someone tries to invade your home. Where I lived, home invasions are happening more and more frequently. And they didn't just take money and leave. They didn't give the home owners a chance. They left bodies, some dead, some left for dead. If someone breaks into my home, I want the power to defend myself.

as has been said many times (sigh)it is notthe gun- it is the person behind it. period. no matter what laws are made criminals will always find guns and use them. i leave my .45 lay around the house all the time and my cats can't figure out how to get it to fire. let alone the gun just going off by itself. never has happened in over 20 years. so i assume they are pretty safe in that regard. but i would want to have my gun rather than a pen, stick, bat etc. if someone broke into my home and had 1 and was trying to rob me or worse yet kill me.

Update on my comparison post in this thread.

news.yahoo.com...

ACCOKEEK, Md. - A 20-year-old man who drove his car into a crowd gathered to watch an illegal street race, killing eight people, was driving with a suspended license, a law enforcement official said Wednesday.

Y'all notice these words, "illegal street race" and "suspended licenses".

What ever type of auto this person was driving we need to ban. Maybe any autos that look like it. After all more people are killed every year by auto.

Roper

reply to post by dave420


I live in the US. I don't want to lose my right to have a gun, if I choose to get one. I do not own a gun right now.

Criminals here will always get guns. How did other countries prevent criminals from getting guns?

Some of our police love power and are, to say the least, bullies. That is a threat in itself. I have had bad experiences with police and I consider myself to be a good citizen. I was threatened by police to keep my mouth shut or else, on more than one occassion. I can't trust that abuse of power.

Gun control will be partially achieved through banning gus to anyone that has ever taken any medication for any type of mental illness. That's alot of people here, due to the pill pushing doctors here. Antidepressants are given out like candy. Guess what? All those people will end up denied guns if they should seek them.

I live in Tampa, Fl. right down the street from USF. Their response to the shooting was to have a moment of silence today and begin or rather enhance implementation of a "reverse" 911 system.
That entails the ability to text, page, or cell call all registered in the system to be alerted if such an event were to occur.
That's Great!
I went to USF in the 80's and if such an event were to happen in my time there, I'd start running.
Out of class.
To my car.
Get my gun out of the trunk, and show that dumb SOB that I and my classmates are not clay pigeons waiting to be shot.
Worry about his mental health, upbringing, just failed a class, GF problems, everybody teased me, off his meds, right wing, left wing, dog died, never had a dog, problems after the smoke cleared.

reply to post by Dinamo


I agree with you 100%. Our Country should cvlean up it's own back yard first and stop acting like the police force for the entire world. Unfortunately our government doesn't like to listen to it's people any more.

And yes, the greater part of the firearms used in murders in America are illegal ones. that's what lawmakers do not seem to understand. No matterhow many BS laws they pass criminals are criminals and they will do as they please. People can talk about "civilization" all they want but the only people who are truely civilized are those that choose to follow it's guidlines. As for the rest what good are the laws.

They are only good to an extent, and police can't be with everyone at all times.

And you are also correct that kids should be more informed about the truth of war, our society (this goes for most of western society Europe too) are disassociated from the reality of what happens in war and also what happens when you shoot a person. They only see the glorified versions of it and not the pain left in it's wake.

Although I am a staunch supporter of the second amendment, I believe that (as every other gun owner that I know does) that this right comes with a deep responsibility.

reply to post by dave420


As far as the "Red Dawn" scenario that you speak of is concerned, you must not know much at all about guerilla warfare or tactics. Obviously nobody is going to entertain the idea of a small malitia force attempting to hold ground for any prolonged period of time against a superior force that is better trained and supplied.

The notion is as it has always been "hit, run, hide." You bleed your enemy. It would be a war of attrition meant to wear the oponent down in a variety of ways. we have done it before we could do it again if need be. Hell if we coul do it to JOLLY OLD ENGLAND when they where at the hight of their power (with a bit of help from the French at the end there) what makes you think it couldn't be done again.

That's what happened to us in Vietnam and it happened to the Red's in Afganistan. It may well be happening to us again it's starting to look that way. Do you see how this works now?

As for your idea of funding your police forces, Chicago has one of the largest police forces in the world and best funded. The crime rate has dropped as of late but it is mostley due to demographics, not the amount of money our Mayor "Comrade Commissar" Daley has put into all of his little spy cameras and extra police. When a cam goes up the gang bangers move to the next corner out of site. What a waist of $10,000.

Police never cruise their beat that they are assigned instead you'll see them in a waffle house well outside of their area palling it up withsix to ten other officers. I once seen our officers drinking "in the squad car" while on duty and yet but a few weeks later seen their squad parked at a neighbors party for not 1 or 2 but 3 hours most likely drinking. And please lets not even talk about reporting them. You sen what happened to the bartender did you not? Do you realy think that was an isolated incident?

Hell, a judge just let a CPD officer walk after killing two in a head on collision on Thanksgiving Day 07'. He was off duty and should have been charged with DUI and 2 counts of muder at the very least wreakless driving and two counts manslaughter. Nope, he walked. Can't tell the story it'll take too long. The corruption goes all the way to the top.We just had a govonor tossed in jail for that, he'll probably get out in a year or so for what I'd go away for life.

I have come to realize that there are good cops and bad ones but for the most part when the crap hits the fan the truth of the matter is they aren't around. Their job for the most part is to fill out reports and play the "who done it" game.

Your civilization is an illusion buddy, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BS.




[edit on 02/13/2008 by lazy1981]

reply to post by audas


First of all there is nothing funny about the way one group of people chooses to govern themselves. Secondly, we don't think anything. We know that our founding fathers (that weren't hauled off to some "British" prison island for a bunch of degenerate Englishman) put that "right" into The Constitution for a reason. That reason being that if your government gets too controling you have the "responsibility" to do away with it and form a more suitable one to the needs of the people. Read The Declaration of Independence.

And you'll be needing a few things to do something like that when you live under a despotic form of government. Guns, the right to form a malitia, the right to assemble said malitia. That sort of thing; Furthermore when you live in a free society you don't have a policeman in every home to look after you or with you at all times if you should want. I can see it not "Oh wait Mr. let me call Officer Freindly before you kill my family and take what you want." I'm sure that will work over very well.

It"s not the idea of being able to "kill whom ever we want" it's the notion that people can only get to a certain level of civilization and we don't want to be killed by whom ever fells like kicking in our front door and not even have a chance in hell. This utopic world that you liberal thinkers have is a fantacy. The world can never be that safe even if you submit to a polce state. It's human nature for the "strong to take from the weak and a civilized person does not give into that base human temptation. Unfortunately were not all that way and it will never be that way. So there will always be the need to defend ones self. Cops can't be every where at once.

As far as the ballot box goes, it's simply of no use anymore. Our politicians listen to us about as much as you listen to an ant. They only pay lip service to the public when it's time to get elected and just as soon forget about their promises. Nobody realy checks their voting records from the congress or anything like that they just buy into their rhetoric at face value or simply vote for the party. I have tried to tell people I know, about their candidates voting record and how it's completely against their campaign speaches until I'm blue in the face. It makes no differance. They vote because "she's a woman", "he's black", "he's a strong repubican" or dem. It's a carnival man, it's a joke. You as well as the rest just don't seem to get it. This government is broken, for a multitude of reasons. The the things needed to fix it are too simple for people to see and the ones that se it will not do at all cost due to greed. we will go the way of Rome eventually. I know I'm rambling.

FYI, democracy is a bad thing 51% controlling 49%. That's also part of the problem, this is a Republic not a Democracy. In a Democracy the majority rules 51/49 alot of people loose out that way. In a Republic certain rights are afforded to all citizens and can never be removed. A Republic= real freedom (if set up properly). Democracy= tyrany (where 51% of the pop. can enslave 49%). It's like Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Get it? That's why the elite have all of you fooled into this whole "Democracy" thing it works out perfectly for them.

In response to your summation of American mindsets, I wouldn't say that we are narrow minded at all. Although we are quit the isolationist, that is until the world starts crying for food or maybe someone is invaiding them or the Japanese are at there doorstep and they need a little help. Then again the world loves to complain about how we "push our guns" and stomp around the planet but that's not the tune they sing when they need something.

One more thing stop lumping all "Americans" into the same basket. It's old. I actually love history. How about I say all Australians are a buch of criminals, (due to genetics) dress like Crocodile Dundee, are generaly dim witted, and carry large knives. "That's not a knife, THIS is a knife."

You can keep thinking it's best to getrid of guns around the world if you like, but what's good for one is not good for all. keep that in mind. And by the way..........You are welcome!

Britain is in a class all its own. They should never take a knife to a gunfight.

Gun Control means using both hands.

reply to post by audas


So if a crazy kangaroo gone wild comes hopping in your direction and begins gashing you with its claws, are you are saying you can kill it with a ballot?

I know papercuts hurt but get real blokey.

Even if you got rid of guns worldwide you will still have human anger that can explode at any time.
You'll never be able to get rid of that, as evident by your self contradicting "knives" statement.

reply to post by Alxandro


No doubt.

In any given year in the United States, 35-40% of the 17,000 or so murders that occur are NOT committed with firearms. That tells me that people who are determined to kill someone else will probably do so regardless of the weapon available. A large number of them already do!

Banning firearms will have the same result as Prohibition. You'll just turn 100 million or more people, otherwise minding their own business, into criminals. Its not going to stop organized crime, gangs, or people determined to kills someone else. It will, however, create a huge black market for illegal weapons, both imported and homegrown, that will be a huge drain on all levels of law enforcement.

Well over 40,000 people are killed every year in the United States in car accidents, and about 17,000 by drunk drivers. Even the latter figure is nearly TWICE as many as are killed in homicides by firearms. I wonder how many of the gun banners have driven their vehicle when they've had a little too much to drink? A lot of them, I would guess.

I'm sure many people die from auto accidents as well so maybe we should kill two birds with one stone and give the whiners and complainers what they want.

Lets get rid of guns, and cars too.

Global Warming problem finally solved. Oh wait, but Al Gore won't make his money from carbon credits.
...nevermind