Why don't aliens initiate contact?

reply to post by sufusci


Well maybe Earth is like a tourist attraction for the aliens. Earth is like the cage and we're the animals. The ufo's we see might be the means by which the aliens get alien tourists to watch us. They might have rules like we have at the zoo such as "Don't feed the pets" and so on. Their rules might forbid them to initiate contact with us. So basically the Earth is a cage and our part of the universe is one section of the zoo where a variety of rules apply such as no-contact with the humans.

they cant initiate contact, because once they open the bay doors, a bunch of human beings from the black ops programs will walk out.

thatll blow the cover on the entire star wars program, and much of the technology we've had hovering in orbit for decades. the only thing that is hidden is the technology they kill to protect, to keep from our eyes, that keeps us monitored, naive, and under control.

an advanced civilization would have no interest in a primitive society. if we found a bunch of agressive monkey halfbreeds blowing each other up, do you think we'd be using the universal sign for peace? do you think we'd show up at the barbecue with our rosetta stone, and start making political arrangements?

Wow some great thoughts... here's my take:

Humans are too primitive, destructive, idiotic, trashy, etc... to want to visit

I say bollocks to that... You know, for all our faults we have some great art. Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix, Michaelangelo, etc. It seems like our art would be something unique to Earth and worth visiting.

Aside from Art and the humanities... we are a very inquisitive species, don't you think another one would come by just to study us for the sake of intergalactic/interdimensional science?

Knowing that... I would offer up "the Prime Directive" from Star Trek. They would not want to unduly alter the course of history. At least, the scientific variety wouldn't.

I would imagine that there are aliens/entities that are mischievous and probably wouldn't obey this... or like the Japanese will disagree with international consensus and continue to hunt whales. This could account for individuals' experiences. There are always a few bad apples. (not that Japanese people are bad... just their whaling policy )

i wouldn't want to contact earth either.
The place in infested with ignorant morons who think we evolved from monkeys, and there is a large portion of the specimens who cannot seem to understand which sex they are supposed to mate with. The specimens that are not deffective are rebellious and angry, and when they are not fighting over something not worth fighting for, the little buggers go and give up on the stuff they SHOULD be fighting more.

Moving on to Venus, no intelligent life here.

My fav. theories:

1) They are time traveling humans from the future (less teeth, who needs them when perfect nutrition can be obtained through synthetic liquids, less hair, who needs that when temperature is controlled, skinnier as no one needs muscle, as everything is automated). Greys always seemed to fit in the evolutionary line of humanity imo if you look at early humans, modern humans, and then potentially what we might become later (I hope not, though). Large noggins, as brains would still be advantageous. :-) I always thought that if such a species were to be creating hybrid life with humanity that perhaps they would be trying to reacquire certain emotional capacities/aspects of natural reproduction that were lost. If such a species were to be a future fork of humanity I hope it's forever from now, and not accelerated through science, although this is prob. unavoidable. Our personal individuality and emotional capacity are a core part of what make us human, imo. If this is the case (time-traveling future humans) any kind of interaction with us now could affect their reality (the future -- their present) and would need to be avoided at all costs, perhaps?

2) Their decision is to not communicate with other species that have not reached some defined level of maturity (and believe that tampering with the maturity process is unethical, and that such a level of maturity in order to be genuine must come naturally from a species). This theory I picked up somewhere around ATS.

3) That interacting with and largely affecting the realities of other species is something they find unethical, and simply don't do.

4) It's all just swamp gas.

[edit on 2/14/08 by AkumaStreak]

exactly....theory #2 from the above post....when the human race as a whole has evolved, not only technically, but more important emotionally/spiritually (doesn't mean religiously)....then our day will come. Until then, they will continue to monitor our progress and observe as sit relatively quiet on the sidelines waiting until the time is right.

I would have to agree with the previous poster about observing us from an anthropological perspective which in turn means studying the intended civilization without interfering with them. Yes I agree with most of the posters about how we humans are not the most moral or civilized of creatures but that doesn’t make us any less interesting it may even help them understand more about their ancient history just the way we study monkeys to understand ours.

I disagree- there is clearly an interaction going on...there are numerous reports flooding throughout the world daily of UFO's. Are some reports just bogus? Probably but there are def. some that appear out of this world. If thats the case- then they are indeed trying to make contact...they're not going to arrive in groups I would think because that would look like an invasion and I think they want to stay low-key and behind the scenes for now. They are showing the mass public that they exist by just watching us when they come low enough to spot. Its highly likely that our government has engineered off one of their crafts and they created their own UFOs as part of a secret program so I'm sure they've been spotted. If they landed- we would have nothing of value to them besides the planet but if they're peaceful- they'd be interested in us as much as we are in them one would think. They may be playing a bigger role than we know.

I agree with that, I think elements of our goverment (and maybe others) have limited dealings with ET's, but I don't think it will be an open issue, like "hey, here are our alien friends and here's what they have to say about our true history as a species and the rest of the solar systems".

I think as a society in general, we have a ways to go before we get to the point of being able to accept this issue without freaking out.

A bug asked his friend, “Why don’t Humans try to talk to us? I send them clear and simple Pheromone messages even grubs would understand. They seem way more intelligent than us. But all I get is gibberish scent when they are near. His friend thought for a minute then said, well, I’ve only seen a couple, and I don’t believe there are that many, even though the fly said he saw swarms. They are not very intelligent and are probably freaks of nature and have not developed communication yet.”

We believe we are intelligent. We are not. There are some other young intelligence on this planet but we are not even intelligent enough yet understand them. Cetaceans including whales, dolphins and porpoises. The other potentials are Chimpanzee and Gorillas. Most animals are not intelligent so depend on instinct and programmed behavior. We are not yet intelligent enough to know what the mechanism of instinct is But, we might be close.

There is much evidence we are on the first wrung of a tall ladder to true intelligence. From reports of many whom have actually had contact with alien species, they have to really slow down to communicate with us or there is danger of overwhelming us and confusing us on a profound level. Most species we have had contact with have the ability speak directly to our mind. We do not understand how yet and call it Telepathy.

They operate in advanced states of consciousness where there is a much richer universe of perception they incorporate into their being. There are many variations, hundreds of species we are aware of (some of us), and some are more skilled at communicating with us without much problem. But the important part is that we need to communicate with them also and take the first step.

Currently we are in denial of needing to advance out awareness. That will change soon however and the need to have access to higher states of awareness might determine our ability to survive coming events.

Some of us have actually been able to experience higher states, but find it hard to maintain such, surrounded by what you find in such states as profound unintelligent and crazy structures we have constructed and base our lives and civilization on today.

They are first sending the message we need to advance out awareness and states of consciousness, raise our essential operational energy to higher frequencies so they can then contact us properly and introduce us to the much larger universe and the uncountable beings that inhabit it.

We are avoiding this and do not want to let go to our “stuff” like a child you are getting to ride a bike, but will not let go of the many toys in order to actually be able to sit on the bike, let alone ride it.

We will determine when we are ready for contact by our steps to truly understand as a species. They are waiting, but we do not have much time, because our ignorance is catching up to us. If they step in, we will not know what we need to know.

We have been given many clues and evidence yet have squandered it for greed and power. But they are milti-million year old species some of them and are used to waiting.

We do not have that luxury, and their patience will not save us from ourselves.

Our move.

ZG

Is it safe to say that we humans may one day be capable of space travel to other planets millions of lite years away? if we already aren't , well then at that moment we ourselves will be aliens piloting u.f.o's. Close Encounters of the third kind was a pretty good movie. It tells a pretty real story at times.

For what it's worth, here is my take:

Why haven't aliens made contact? They have. Once I read enough about sightings throughout history, some things become apparent, to me, at least.

1. UFO sightings, contact and encounters have been occurring from pre-history.
Ancient art depicts sightings (yes, that is just an opinion) but when one views the ancient drawings and compares them to objects portrayed in the background of Renaissance paintings, and then to drawings done by modern day witnesses the similarities are striking. Proof? No, but circumstantial, yes.

2. Spiritual visitations of both long ago and recent times are similar in many respects to encounters between "aliens" and humans of today. In fact, a pattern can be deduced from historical and present day accounts and that is something that should be investigated more closely.
It is my opinion that many religions and cults are the result of these encounters. And, there is something else that needs to be looked into. The "aliens", angels, demons, fairies, etc. could all be the same phenomenon.
And these visitors tell individuals contradicting things. Could this be on purpose?
Imagine an ancient sheep herder witnessing a "fiery disc" descend from heaven and an angel exists the craft and tells the sheepherder to go forth and start a religion. That he and his people have been chosen by "god" and their's is the only true religion.
The process is repeated in another part of the world, and another after that.

Each new religion believes that it is the only true religion. As time goes by, war is inevitable. What would be the purpose of such deception?
It would keep the human race from coming together as one unified force. Keep them busy with warfare and keep them divided.
Why? Ask "them"? But I do think that what has been happening throughout history is not by accident.

I do believe that UFO's exist. I have no idea where they originate from. But I do not believe that "they" are necessarily benevolent, but that they operate under a set of rules or by some code that prevents direct intervention while allowing for a more subtle means of control over human development.

I do not believe that the government knows much more about UFOs than I do. they acknowledge the existence of UFO's through this official statement
(paraphrased here) "They do not appear to pose an threat."

Now, the government uses the umbrella of UFO's to cover their own tests of black ops aircraft. But that has only been in the last 60 years or so. Trying to separate the UFO from black ops is more and more difficult.

Does the government have UFO technology? I doubt it, but even if they do, I doubt they could understand it. Our own technology is built upon captured Nazi technology, a lot of which was "out of this world" to the minds of allied military, but once studied, was understandable.

Hopup

I still think it's a crazy notion to think they come from million's of mile's away...
fly over us ...
not say a word...
make us feel like we are for lack of word's retard's...
then go home but to return with 500 new ship's all that look diffrent in some way lol
Oh did i forget crop circle's they draw on our crop's when they get bored but to sorry to say howdy you human's....


i am beginign to think ufo's are custom made... tricked out... to suit each alien's need's...or person's honestly

but love these ufo stuff i have seen a few in real life so i can't dismiss what ive seen just ... im loosing faith lol

so many claim's never any proof that can stick..... might be cause there is nothing to stick tooo..

So many good theories. Several may be actually true, who knows?

Theory #623: there is a warning broadcast that we don't detect (aliens use gravity waves for communications, not electromagnetic waves):

"Reticulan empire natural preserve.
Do not feed the monkeys.
Intruders will be shot."

Nowadays the few UFO reports that are not hoaxes are trespassers.

In the 1940s-1960s, before the warning was set hundreds of spacefaring races/species visited us. They popped out of hyperspace, took pictures, collected samples. Sometimes they attempted to make contact with humans. Most of the time they only managed to scare the natives. There are many failed attempts by the same race of aliens in 1954 for example. Unique details (eyes, hair, behavior) are unmistakable.

Wow, thanks for all the responses.

So, let me summarise:
1. Ethics are preventing them from initiating contact. Its either our level of knowledge, consciousness, social harmony preventing us from gaining acceptance. Perhaps they are like an effective greenpeace, who protect us from outside influence. This I think would be a logical thing for an advanced race to do, but it does have the following consequences:
- No visits have been made
- No technology has been given
- No conspiracies exist
- All sightings and experiences are either fabrications, misunderstandings or drug/brain induced trips

If they have come, I would buy this. And don't give me "crashes" - if they can get here they wouldn't be likely to crash.

2. The time problem. The ONLY way a race could have come to see us with the physics we know to be true at this point is if they left a long, long time ago, when we weren't even around. So they would have been coming for "zoological" reasons anyway, and never meant to make contact.

3. Cautious of us.
I don't buy this, we have barely scratched the surface of modern weaponry, and we wouldn't stand a chance against a civilisation who has had technology for much longer than us. I certainly wouldn't be scared, I think thats giving us too much credit.

4. Tourist. Possibly, but this would assume they had faster than light physics, which at this stage seems unlikely.

5. No direct intervention but subtle manipulation. I don't buy this, why would any ethics allow you to develop something like our planet. Its crazy, and could only have "evolved". Our societal structure surely can't have been designed, otherwise there would be 1 religion, language, protocols etc.

6. They are trying to make contact. It's possible, especially if they are very far ahead of us that they can't make contact. Good idea. Its like a computer software engineer trying to communicate with a grid in conways game of life if you will... plausible.

Any more ideas?

A majority of people are too based in animalistic fears.
Mankind is not ready.
The Governments are still fighting
Mankind is not ready.

Men can't get along with their nebors, brothers, mothers, fathers, celeberties, themselves, there own minds.

Man Kind is Not Ready.

Originally posted by rufosho
Wow some great thoughts... here's my take:

Humans are too primitive, destructive, idiotic, trashy, etc... to want to visit

I say bollocks to that... You know, for all our faults we have some great art. Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix, Michaelangelo, etc. It seems like our art would be something unique to Earth and worth visiting.

Aside from Art and the humanities... we are a very inquisitive species, don't you think another one would come by just to study us for the sake of intergalactic/interdimensional science?

Knowing that... I would offer up "the Prime Directive" from Star Trek. They would not want to unduly alter the course of history. At least, the scientific variety wouldn't.

I would imagine that there are aliens/entities that are mischievous and probably wouldn't obey this... or like the Japanese will disagree with international consensus and continue to hunt whales. This could account for individuals' experiences. There are always a few bad apples. (not that Japanese people are bad... just their whaling policy

)

yeah exactly
if i was an alien how would i communicate backwards i'm human out

Everyone asking this important question should buy all of Dr. Vallee's books and read them yesterday.

He makes the point that there is little evidence to support the notion that the majority of UFO sightings, as well as interactions with non-human beings, are of extraterrestrial origin. Vallee is interested in the idea that perhaps we are dealing with something much closer to home, something that's part of this planet (at this point, perhaps it began with extraterrestrial origins). Maybe we're not at the top of the food chain, or maybe we share this planet with an entity/species that decides to remain in the background, or underground. Or in a dimensional offset. Or phase-shifted from our own three dimensional construct. Or all of the above. The point is, we really don't know. There are lots of theories, but precious little evidence. Given the amount of UFO activity reported in the last 50-60 years, it would seem to make sense to think that these things are not traveling vast distances to get here, or have figured out that faster-than-light travel buys you interdimensional abilities as a side effect, and therefore don't think of space as we do.

If we're to truly gain some understanding of this phenomenon, we need to realize that many of our assumptions regarding the UFO enigma are likely wrong, or largely inaccurate. There has been no substantial evidence to confirm that we're talking about extraterrestrial beings. In fact, I personally suspect that if beings are here, they would promote the notion of originating from a far-away source, as it would probably make us feel better to think that aliens come here, do stuff, and then _leave_.

Now realize that I'm not saying that some percentage of UFOs come from other star systems, this is entirely possible. But the grays? Large dark eyes would be perfect for seeing in dim light, like what you'd find many miles below the planet's surface.

As to the issue of communications between ourselves and whatever these things are, there does indeed seem to be some sort of dialog, but we're largely in the dark as to the question of their motivation. Perhaps we're entertainment, maybe our genetics are more valuable than our egos. Look at us - we destroy our environment with impunity, we seem incapable of any meaningful peace, we lie like it's going out of style, we pimp ourselves out for food pellets and metal boxes with shiny blinking lights, we seem to rarely learn from our mistakes. If you were a non-human species looking at us objectively, would _you_ want to have an open dialog with us?


dB

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I can best reply to this post with a snippet from this thread;

Originally posted by MrPenny
"What we percieve as aliens and UFOs are objects, creatures,...whatever, that exist in the same space as us, and from time to time, slip into our existence. Possibly intentionally, most often unintentionally.

They are a naturally occurring phenomena, that have been experienced as fairies, gnomes, succubus, incubus, demons, greys, nordics, etc.... "

I think contact has been made....we simply don't know how to interact with the phenomenon.

I thought Billy Meier had been in contact with plaedians for donkeys years. They can,t initiate contact because they have the start trek # never interfere with another culture.
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