Why don't aliens initiate contact?

Just look at our species.

We kill members of our own species and other species. That makes us feel superior to animals, who don't kill each other unless it's for food or survival.

There are members of our species who have sex with other dead humans (or animals?)

Every leader who told us to love one another and live in peace was killed.
(Gandhi, Lennon, JFK, MLK, to name a few).

BTW, this is from a George Carlin skit I just happened to watch last night. He was talking about the human nature, and then laughed how we humans wonder why we're not contacted by another race.

We're too busy killing each other for different reasons.

"I still think the military reasoning is a very strong one. DARPA? Do you really think the U.S. would make their alien technology public?"

No, essentially you are saying that DARPA is a complete waste of time (as it would be if there is advanced alien tech). Why invest all that time and effort into something if you have something better in the cabinet?

"If we went to war with China, trust me, that sh*t would come out. "
Why invest all that money into defense contracts like star wars then? For diversion? Well, here is where we differ. I like to keep my feet on the ground, and not "believe" in things without evidence. There is not a shred of credible evidence that I have seen for any advanced tech.

Funny you talk about china. They have much better tech than you give them credit for. They are better at computer hacking/security. The US is terrible. Remember recently how they showed their technological superiority with sub's? I don't see america being the power it is in 5 years let alone 50. Nor do many others.

"Ockham's Razor is all well and good, but it's not the end all be all solution."
I am asking for a logical solution. When using logic, you can't just make stuff up, you have to accept the most probable solution, which is usually the simplest.

I dont want to hear about the age of aliens. From my point of view they could just as easily have 30 second lifecycles as they could 1,000,000 year lifecycles. What we do know is that its likely they have the same travel constraints as us. The same energy problems. So, if they did come, why wouldnt they contact us?

PS: For some background reading by people much smarter than us, see fermi's paradox.

If we are to assume aliens are "like us' and like killing, surely we would be hunted and live in fear of domination or invasion. Yet no such fear exists in rational humans at the point, because they havent made contact. If they travelled all this way and love to kill, why not do it!

I would guess that they would know that life and resources are precious in the universe. They would probably would make contact and do genetic research on the dominant species.

1. To produce a hybrid to infultrate society.
2. Obtain a place to carry out research.

I'm sure they would want to make contact with the US. Since they were the main superpower after WWII and had the atomic bomb.

A hybrid or middleman would be the perfect means. This would be offered as a gesture but would have an alternated motive. The better the hybrids become the easier it would be to infiltrate the power postitions around the world.

In this scenerio, also the government might not have any knowledge what so ever of some of the crashes as they would have been cleaned up and orchestrated from the beginning by the hybrids. We wouldn't know anybetter and there would be no record.

Now if the aliens were exposed to the world, the country involved might be condemned on a religious front. Especially if they are hideous and or if they do actually resemble the aliens depicted in abduction cases that were perpetrated on its own citizens. The world might turn on such a country for being involved.

The aliens might also want to expose the world to universal viruses before they would make themselves known. To inoculate them and the new species. They would be in a better position to make contact and to rule. Plus doing it slowly would make it less noticeable and the impact of the numbers of people killed in the integration process wouldn't be known.

Now if they could offer eternal life to those they made contact with possibly transferring souls into other bodies they could keep the secret forever. However then they would have to abolish torture and the death penalty. With torture they might be exposed and people might be committing crimes they have no knowledge of.



[edit on 14-2-2008 by TamtammyMacx]

[edit on 14-2-2008 by TamtammyMacx]

Short answere fear, (religion could also play huge role)


Simply look at the short recorded history of the human race and ask yourself that question? Lets start with the mayans, aztecs, egyptians, romans for example. Our most advanced societies at their respective times, yet human sacrifice, slavery, greed, violence, ect. were accepted as normal at these times. This was only over 2000 years ago, not very long when you look at the scale of the universe/cosmos. More recently we have the holocaust(nazis), racism and a lop sided war in the middle east, should I bring up darfur, burma, the aids crisis in Africa which is ignored. The huge gaps between upper,middle and lower class in america. SS and health insurance issues. The human race is very violent and corrupt, ask yourself this as an intelligent being. Do you want to associate from a race like us? We are like a pack of wolves-animals(even with all our science and technology), would you go up and pet one of them in its natural enviroment? I sure as hell wouldn't, I would be cautious/scared, I would study them until I fully understand everything about them(strengths/weaknesses). If I were to pet one of them I would have my hand bit just as we send fighter jets to intercept ufo's supposable. (Aggression)

This is what I believe is happening we are studied like animals just as we should be, however when we start to explore space more(which we are now doing), we will become a threat to the evolutions of certain species and planets making contact inevitable, reason being is there are galactic laws and we will need to abide by these. (theory only)

Originally posted by more_serotonin_pls
So essentially, there are two viewpoints for you to consider.

1 - we are not worth contacting but may do when we are advanced enough.
2 - they already are and we know nothing about it because it is all classified.

3 - They don't exist. (At least not in our neighboorhood)

Do any of you ever research anything. Gees

I think the best website about alien information on the web is: alienshift.com...

Check it out. John Lear claims the aliens are using us as "containers". All the mysteries of earth are all connected. Aliens, ghosts, lost ancient civilizations, etc.

Lear said that gov't found out that we are an experiment. They've built a machine (or some kind of sacred stone) that trapts souls. It has to do with not having enough souls from the Lyran Wars. I haven't gotten far into why they need them, but when you die you're soul will ascend to the moon. That's one of their bases which these machines are located. Lear explained that one guy died on a highway in California. He had a remote viewer follow the soul to see where it went; it went to the moon. As he got closer he received a message to stay away from the area, and he sensed a feeling that he would die.

Go to www.alienshift.com and listen to the youtube interviews of John Lear.

[edit on 14-2-2008 by phitau]

[edit on 14-2-2008 by phitau]

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch

Originally posted by more_serotonin_pls
So essentially, there are two viewpoints for you to consider.

1 - we are not worth contacting but may do when we are advanced enough.
2 - they already are and we know nothing about it because it is all classified.

3 - They don't exist. (At least not in our neighboorhood)

4-They may be trying to contact us but humans are so primitive and stupid we can't understand the message.

5- Our sensory apparatus is so insensitive that we can't detect the signal.

I have a theory about this.

Ever thought that maybe we are the white trash of this sector of the galaxy. THey know we're here they just don't want to make eye contact with us. Maybe they scouted out our planet and have decided. nope no intelligent life here. maybe in a few thousand uears when evolution has caught up with the maturity part of our thinking.

WOuld you contact us if you didn't really have to? If I were an alien I would take one look at the crap we broadcast into space and go. Ehhhhh. visit these people!!!! Ummm yeah. no thanks I'd rather stay in my nice spaceship and talk to the civilized citizens of the galaxy. Can you believe we actually thought about going down there and talking to those semi evolved monkeys!

Our intelligence may not be the 'destination' of aliens entities. Therefore, they might have no interest in our communication. But in general, arguments as to why they don't behave 'as we would expect' are merely mirror arguments that rely on the assumption that some alien would be something like us. Occam's razor would suggest we not make that assumption unless we had some evidence of an alien that was somewhat like us. Otherwise, we might as well ask why a mosquito would fly 20 miles away from its home just to suck the blood from someone and 'not make contact'. Its a mosquito. Its motivations are not ours. Perhaps an 'alien' has 'alien' motivations? Just give it a thought.

[edit on 14-2-2008 by Ectoterrestrial]

reply to post by Ectoterrestrial


I share that opinion. We can't even guess what an extraterrestrial's idea of 'contact' would be. Maybe they're trying....and scratching their little round heads...wondering what's wrong with us.

Could even be a case of "why bother".....I don't try and talk to the squirrels....nothing in it for me and it scares hell out of the squirrel.

I've often wondered if we are the most destructive species that the locals in this part of the galaxy ahve come across. Maybe they know all about us but don't need to contact any of us exept a select few. maybe they are holding us in quarentine as a form of damage control. perhaps the last time we ventured out of our solar system a long time ago we recked the place and they have dumbed us down and put us in quarentine. maybe thats what the religion is for. perhaps the knocked us down a notch when our species got out of control and then once we were ignorant again they instituted religions to keep us dumbed down and in line, so as to control the threat our species imposed the last time we were let out of the bull pen.

Maybe one day in the future when an outside enemy comes around they will unleash us humans to do what our species does best. wreck things. Who knows.

aswell as the obvious reasoning that we are not advanced enough to be graced with the presence of an interstellar species,i believe the pregorative is in our hands,we have to show in unison we want contact,in a serious way.

would they come and crash a party uninvited?,i dont think so,so lets invite them in!

hmmm me thinks i should write a song about just this subject,if and when the day does come im sure it'l be the number one hit all the way to heaven!.

[edit on 14-2-2008 by welivefortheson]

Perhaps the reason why UFOs don't announce themselves is because THEY aren't allowed? Perhaps only a very select few know about them -whether they are government or not. Perhaps there's an "authority" figure that THEY answer to. Who knows.

Though I do agree that all these sightings - whether hoax or not- are happening way "too" frequently.

This is what I believe is happening we are studied like animals just as we should be, however when we start to explore space more(which we are now doing), we will become a threat to the evolutions of certain species and planets making contact inevitable, reason being is there are galactic laws and we will need to abide by these. (theory only)

I'm with you on that. I'm convinced we're the retards of the universe, and I hope DogHead is correct when he states there are quarantine buoys surrounding our Earth-Moon system to keep us here. Frankly, if there are "people" visiting us from other planets I'm embarassed as hell about it. For a lot of reasons:

1. The damage we're doing to the only planet on which we have to live.
2. The fact that 90% of us do nothing more than strive to fill our own pockets, and buy absolutely useless crap.
3. The amount of time and resources we waste to build new and improved means of destroying ourselves.
4. Organized Religion

If I was ET and observing all this you can be damn sure I wouldn't march up to anyone's door and knock. It'd be like talking to monkeys.

I think they have made contact. We will convict someone of murder and execute them on the basis of eyewitness testimony from one police officer. And we have tons of credible witnesses Cops, military officials, pilots etc. to "Aliens" and UFOs. I put "aliens" in quotes because we don't know where they really come from. More likely they are inter dimensional and up to no good. The abduction phenomenon shows their dubious character. I tend to believe they one in the same as the fallen angels of Genesis 6 and the Watchers of the book of Enoch. Theres a thread to Dr. Chuck Missler's Return of the Nephilim that explains my theory of their origin.

reply to post by Bigwhammy


I think you're probably right about the contact thing. I just don't have any real solid opinions on whom they would have contacted and why. I have lots of ideas but nothing I'd be prepared to state with any certainty.

reply to post by sufusci


Because as of right now we haven't proved worth talking to.

Maybe its because we are all a bunch of morons fighting over our own personal versions of god. Maybe its because we aren't warrior enough(As I learned in a nice little episode of that twilight zone like show that used to be on Showtime whose name escapes me). Maybe we need to do something that will catch their attention like Star Trek where a Vulcan vessle registered our light signature when that guy was testing the jump to light speed. Or it could be that they came here did some observations, experimented on us and decided that we were no better that the rest of the small animals on other planets they had come in contact with. Or maybe they are scared of us. Or maybe they just don't have that part of the brain that makes you want to explore and meet new people that we do. Maybe its a good thing they could be xenophobic and deside to eat us.

1. They are compassionate beings that dont want to scare us and then have to deal with the repercussions of introducing us to something we're not ready for.

2. Theyre observing us and dont want to ruin their experiment.

3. Theyre planning something.

4. If aliens exist they have never visited this planet.

I would say number 4 is by far the most likely.

Originally posted by Starwatcher
Short answere fear, (religion could also play huge role)


Simply look at the short recorded history of the human race and ask yourself that question? Lets start with the mayans, aztecs, egyptians, romans for example. Our most advanced societies at their respective times, yet human sacrifice, slavery, greed, violence, ect. were accepted as normal at these times. This was only over 2000 years ago, not very long when you look at the scale of the universe/cosmos. More recently we have the holocaust(nazis), racism and a lop sided war in the middle east, should I bring up darfur, burma, the aids crisis in Africa which is ignored. The huge gaps between upper,middle and lower class in america. SS and health insurance issues. The human race is very violent and corrupt, ask yourself this as an intelligent being. Do you want to associate from a race like us? We are like a pack of wolves-animals(even with all our science and technology), would you go up and pet one of them in its natural enviroment? I sure as hell wouldn't, I would be cautious/scared, I would study them until I fully understand everything about them(strengths/weaknesses). If I were to pet one of them I would have my hand bit just as we send fighter jets to intercept ufo's supposable. (Aggression)

This is what I believe is happening we are studied like animals just as we should be, however when we start to explore space more(which we are now doing), we will become a threat to the evolutions of certain species and planets making contact inevitable, reason being is there are galactic laws and we will need to abide by these. (theory only)

First time poster here..

The reason listed above is by far the most plausible in my opinion.
1) We simply aren't ready yet to make contact with.
2) or if you believe in Darwinism, they are observing us in order to defend themselves one day against us..

And then what would be their motive anyways for making contact? To form an alliance to battle another species from another galaxy? To share our resources? If they existed, they wouldn't need us unless they were looking to destroy us and use our resources. That's how we perceive how the universe works, right?