Christian Right's Emerging Deadly Worldview: Kill Muslims to Purify the Earth

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Has anyone ever thought that what they dislike about a person's religion is actually just the person? If a person is an ass it really doesn't matter if they are a Christian, atheist, or Muslim ass. An ass is an ass plain and simple. There is a good chance that this same person who gets all in your face over whether god exists or not would most likely do the same over politics or even what kind of lawn mower is the best.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Totally agree with you there. Some people can be so obnoxious and overbearing with what they believe to be true that they won't listen or entertain any other thought to the contrary. They've already made up their mind. While this can be found for practically any topic or subject matter, it is particularly common in those who are religious. It's even more common in the 'born-again' variety.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
It is funny though when we talk about religion, or lack of, it is not the person but the religion/no religion.

It's kinda like the fundamental attribution error. In a nutshell, the fundamental attribution error is a type of bias. When somebody does something (especially if it's negative) we tend to attribute it to the 'type' of person that individual is, instead of the circumstances that led up to that action. Think of that bias, but expanded for in-groups and out-groups.

Group attribution error

The group attribution error is a group-serving, attributional bias identical to the fundamental attribution error except that it occurs between members of different groups rather than different individuals.

Group members are more likely to attribute a fellow group member's actions to their arbitrary circumstances, while attributing a non-group member's actions to something in that group's inherent disposition.

Edit: Fixed BBcode

[edit on 14-2-2008 by Beachcoma]

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What is it you go to Iraq for Xtro? I had been there, Iran, Turkey, Israel, egypt. Long time ago. I liked Malta, Spain was a blast, I couldn't stand it in the middle east though.. I can't handle that music,, MAN it is annoying.

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You have consistently been selective in your quotations throughout this thread.

By deleting the "banal" part of one of my posts you deliberately gave it a completely different emphasis and meaning to what was originally intended.
My intended "a small minority of Christians" became your "all Christians".
Completely different.

My initial response to you was in reply to a post in which you vented quite a vitriolic tirade against Atheists, (I am not an Atheist but an Agnostic, a big difference), and where you implied that the whole thread was full of hate fuelled postings against Christians.

Oh, and until it was pointed out, I was totally unaware that there are Atheist organisations and if they are part of some underhand conspiracy aimed at discrediting and undermining Christianity they must be very secretive and exclusve as neither I or any other Agnostic or Atheist that I know or communicate with is even aware of their existence.

Now, in the interests of getting this back on thread;
Christian extremists do exist. (This is not an attack on ALL Christians!).
These extremists follow an interpretation of Christ's teachings, hence Christian extremists.
Just how many extremists there are, how much influence they have, what their motivations are and if their numbers are increasing are open to debate.

I would suggest that the petty mud slinging has portrayed neither of us in a positive light.

stupid people.
It's just like steve taylor said.
"If you're too open minded, your brain leaks out."

Originally posted by projectvxn
It doesn't matter who says it. It is still ignorant of the facts. Women don't have abortions for fun. And the Right has managed to paint it in that light somehow. That is BS.

Not for fun, but they do have abortions out of convenience (except a very small percent that have one for medical reasons).

I disagree with you. Hell people would sell a kidney if they could and they would sell a fetus too.


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Originally posted by Conspiriology
What is it you go to Iraq for Xtro? I had been there, Iran, Turkey, Israel, egypt. Long time ago. I liked Malta, Spain was a blast, I couldn't stand it in the middle east though.. I can't handle that music,, MAN it is annoying.

I fly C-130s in the Air Force. I have spent the last 27 years flying and living all over the world even Antarctica. I think I counted 75 or so countries at one time. I think I been in every military contingency since 1980 hehe.

I spent most of 2006 near Bagdad.

Originally posted by Crusader of Truth
stupid people.
It's just like steve taylor said.
"If you're too open minded, your brain leaks out."

Wasn't that Dawkins that said that?

Besides coming here to call whoever stupid,,

would you happen to be

the Alternative? or ? I just wonder whose side you want to bash on. The avatar would indicate someone ?? Christian soldier?



- Con

[edit on 15-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Conspiriology
What is it you go to Iraq for Xtro? I had been there, Iran, Turkey, Israel, egypt. Long time ago. I liked Malta, Spain was a blast, I couldn't stand it in the middle east though.. I can't handle that music,, MAN it is annoying.

I fly C-130s in the Air Force. I have spent the last 27 years flying and living all over the world even Antarctica. I think I counted 75 or so countries at one time. I think I been in every military contingency since 1980 hehe.

I spent most of 2006 near Bagdad.

Wow how interesting,, I wish I had stayed in but if I had to over again I would pick Air Force. I was in a squadron on a carrier I don't know if it is even around I should do a search see if anything comes up from mothballs lol "Invictus Gallus Gladiator" I knew there was something about you I liked. Last time I remember seeing you real active in a thread was long time ago in an HIV aids conspiracy subject.

Originally posted by Beachcoma
It's even more common in the 'born-again' variety.

It's kinda like the fundamental attribution error. In a nutshell, the fundamental attribution error is a type of bias. When somebody does something (especially if it's negative) we tend to attribute it to the 'type' of person that individual is, instead of the circumstances that led up to that action. Think of that bias, but expanded for in-groups and out-groups.

Group attribution error

The group attribution error is a group-serving, attributional bias identical to the fundamental attribution error except that it occurs between members of different groups rather than different individuals.

Group members are more likely to attribute a fellow group member's actions to their arbitrary circumstances, while attributing a non-group member's actions to something in that group's inherent disposition.

Edit: Fixed BBcode

[edit on 14-2-2008 by Beachcoma]

I thought you were on to it with the bingo but then you had to mess it all up again and miss the point entirely.

just like the "born again" "type"

pffft

- Con

That includes born-again varieties of all religions. Not just Christians. I've been hassled by born-again Muslims, too. If I were talking about Christians specifically, I'd say Christians specifically.

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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

I don't care about the book, but the claim made here about a Christian war against Islam is just absurd.


[edit on 2008/2/13 by GradyPhilpott]

Yes but Grady there are indeed those on the funnymentalist right who use that exact language. What about that general that was going around to churches giving "motivational" speeches about the war against Islam.

Like it or not the idea is out there. All you have to do is read some of the more extreme postings on this thread alone or on the Koran is a Fake thread (among others) to see that.

Bigotry and intolerance breeds only bigotry and intolerance... they are never a force for the positive.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by grover]

There is a distinct difference between what you refer to as Christian fundamentalism and what is Islamic fundamentalism. They are clearly not the same. Christian fundamentalism as of today has not had any significant role in regards to global terrorism. Global terrorism in recent years has been marked by the actions of militant Islam through-out the world and long before 9/11. I simply do not see how these Christian fundamentalists can be compared to the Islamic militants who carry out suicide bombings on a daily basis and force entire populations under a strict theocracy and literal interpretation of religious doctrine.
I just don't see how these books would threaten any Muslim; they're the author's interpretations of what many believe to be a rise of Islamic extremism. If there's a book that threatens anyone over faith, it would be the Qu'ran.

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My only answer to that is that extremism is extremism, wherever it's found or whatever name it goes under.

Just because muslim extremists have been more active and successfull (?) in their goals, doesn't mean christian extremists should be discounted.

Originally posted by budski

My only answer to that is that extremism is extremism, wherever it's found or whatever name it goes under.

Just because muslim extremists have been more active and successfull (?) in their goals, doesn't mean christian extremists should be discounted.

Discounted? Actions speak louder than words. What you're concerning yourself about is mere speculation. Militant Islam on the other hand has had major impacts in world societies, and that cannot be disputed.

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And your focussing on the fact that christian extremists are less successfull in achieving their goals - does the fact that they are less competent mean they should be ignored?

Besides, bush is what I would call an extremist - how many deaths is he responsible for?
After all, GOD told him to invade iraq.........

Originally posted by budski
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And your focussing on the fact that christian extremists are less successfull in achieving their goals - does the fact that they are less competent mean they should be ignored?

Besides, bush is what I would call an extremist - how many deaths is he responsible for?
After all, GOD told him to invade iraq.........

How exactly would you know what their goal is to begin with? This appears to be nothing more than speculation on your part. Perhaps their goal doesn't involve killing everyone who they may consider to be an infidel. It just may be that the majority of them are attempting a peaceful resolution by acts of diplomacy and awareness, which is the case in the US.
Bush does not represent Christianity, he represents the the United States, although I'm sure many would disagree. Regardless, talking to god, did not provide him with the support required for going to war.
Under militant Islam, talking to allah is more than enough to win support from their supporters.
Bottom line, there's just no real comparison.

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So in your view, any extremism except muslim extremism should be ignored.

Riiight.

That makes sense

Ignore an extremist group until they ARE capable of mass murder......

I'm sure heath ledgers family would agree - after the extremism seen in the wake of his death.


BTW, who's making any comparison?
This thread is about CHRISTIAN extremists - are you another who disputes their existence, just because the word christian is used?

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Hmmm, Muslims want to kill Westerners, Jews, Christians. That's evil, and is, and should be stopped.

But...

Christians want to kill Muslims, Jews, Other Christians(He worships wrong Methodist is the real Christianity! No it ain't Catholism is! Nuh uh Luthern is! Yalls all wrong Baptist is the true Christianity!) Gays, blacks, women who don't submit, Asians, and anyone else who doesn't fall under a very very strict bubble.

Yet that is considered Freedom, and good, and wholesome, and moral by many in America.

Strange, genocide against the Muslims, good thing. Those same Muslims going "Hey, you invaded our lands time and time again, killed millions of our people, and now we have a grudge, got a problem with that?" Is a bad thing? Sure they should go the diplomatic route but then again you get guys like Bush who claim, seriously, that God told him to invade the Middle East... Hard to be diplomatic with a guy who hears voices telling him to kill people.

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Originally posted by budski
And your focussing on the fact that christian extremists are less successfull in achieving their goals - does the fact that they are less competent mean they should be ignored?

Besides, bush is what I would call an extremist - how many deaths is he responsible for?
After all, GOD told him to invade iraq.........

I'm not sure I agree with you for you want to suggest all extremism is the same. Your point that Christian extremism is not as successful is misleading for the reason it is not as successful is because it is not as extreme, and so the Christian extremist is unwilling to go the same length that a Muslim extremist is willing to go.