Corruption of Dalai Lama

Very interesting and enlightening, but not surprising,since I have done my homework on this subject, we do have a strange westernized view of buddhism.
Check out the Bonpos

You really need to stop attempting to spread hate and outright lies and Commie propaganda about the Dalai Lama.
The entire premise that he has done anything harmful is laughable.
You have no proof of any of these outright lies, and you are promoting ignorance instead of denying it.
Shameful.

Originally posted by WhiteWash
You really need to stop attempting to spread hate and outright lies and Commie propaganda about the Dalai Lama.
The entire premise that he has done anything harmful is laughable.
You have no proof of any of these outright lies, and you are promoting ignorance instead of denying it.
Shameful.

What do you have proof of? How do you know that these are lies and only propaganda? You're a Buddhist maybe? or are you just some adamant liberal?

The only place that people has heard of him is on TV, I don't think that most Westerners are motivated enough to read about him.



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I'm pretty sure I just took offense to what you just wrote. Believe it or not darlin many of us westerners are educated and can infact understand world history. You start a thread filled with arguments and indictments backed only by Chinese propoganda.

Unless you can come up with any other sources or possibly your own ideas that have been formed through learning the historical accounts your thread will die an uneasy but fast death. Drop the propoganda. Read the links I sent, they will lead you to further information

Originally posted by Witness2008
The information and the link you provide is Chineese propaganda.
While putting your theories together you may want to investigate an opposing view. I suggest the book "In Exile From The Land of Snow" by John Avedon, or watch the movie based upon the book called Kundun.

The Chineese over ran Tibet, murdered Monks and Nuns, and instituted a death penalty for anyone found with an image of the Dalai Lama. For over a thousand years Tibetans lived in peace and harmony, there was no slavery but instead practiced compassion for one another.

I'm giving you a star for that one

I don't have to look into any sources to even surmise that what has been negatively stated about the Dalai Lama and his following by the OP is pure Chinese Propaganda. The negative statements totally follow the Chinese logic that the Tibetans were "Mindless Barbarians" and thus needed to be "civilized and tamed by the Peoples Republic".

The Dalai Lama has done what I could most likely never do, and that is wait patiently for a time when his fellow Tibetans can return to their homeland.

Ahhh! The buddhist terrorists! They will flower you to death. One of the most absurd threads I have read.

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Thanks for that. I know that I should be more patient with people but when they insist on pushing the same unsubstantiated, politicaly loaded propoganda at such a wonderful human as is the Dalai Lama I could tear somebodies hair out.

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This is like the comment you made in a past thread about all Americans disliking Islam. I am once again offended.

I have read quite a few books written by this man, and I am looking at a few on a bookshelf just a few feet away from me. I cherish those books. I have moved several times and they have always moved with me.

It is ok people. die another day has alterior purposes, and is using the most meek and kindly one to do so.

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Ya! Its like she is throwing a kitten in front of a speeding semi to get a reaction. Not too compassionate.

My thoughts exactly witness. It is an unexcusable proffer of hate in its most base of existance.

this argument is bringing me back deja vu
of "the official story" of 9/11 debate.

so wait...

the chicago tribune, and the cia's own admission are both sources of the chinese media? i'm lost.

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The quote you provided was not the full Chicago Tribune article. Your link directed one to a paper by Sara Flanders who promotes communisim. If you were to find a link to the entire article it may be worth debating.

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it's not online (at least not anywhere easily found).

you can find plenty of articles about the article though, like this one, written by one Charlie Wilson (doesn't sound Chinese to me, but who knows, right?)

www.hartford-hwp.com...

"Chicago Tribune admits: CIA ran Tibet contras since 1959"

I mean, are you refuting the validity of this completely?

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I dispute it's validity.
Go to your link. Scroll all the way to the bottom.

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Communist/Socialist propaganda piece.
Even beyond that however, is that if even some of it were true it has more to do with the CIA using the situation to their own ends, and nothing to do with the Dalai Lama as a person. Since it comes from a propaganda-ridden rag however, i say bunk.

The Dali Lama ranks right up there with Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King. EVERYONE has their faults. No place is perfect. No country has a monopoly on saintly behaivor nor evil deeds. Countries are made by men.

This smells like a smear piece and DISINORMATION.

The Chinese gov't will get their piece of the NWO - pie don't you doubt that for one second. The Chinese gov't plays along with the west to line their pockets. COMMUNIST???? HUH??? WAKE UP! China is part of the machine. Where do you think they make all that cheap stuff you must have?? There are hundreds (at least) of BILLIONAIRES in CHINA now.

The NWO has really done a job on us hasn't it?

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Tibetans fighting for their own country, thats all I got from the article. Why shouldn't the Dalai Lama take advantage of anything that comes along in order to return to his birth place with all other refugees.

The fact that the Dalai Lama lived in a palace should not indict him as some kind of inhumane person. The Dalai Lama as every other leader with all the responsabilities that intails deserves to live in comfort. Why are the standards different for the Dalai Lama?

The fact of this matter is that Tibet was over run by China in order that China could rape Tibet of its resources. Moa was in power in China when Tibet was invaded, Moas' "Great Leap Forward" an attempt to industrialize China had failed due to lack of natural resources.

If your State had been overun would you not solicit the aid of anyone that could help you return to the life you once had.

Did you notice the big red stars at the top of the article in your link? Check out the links I put in my posts on page one.

www.antiwar.com...

Come on people, I have the the Dalai Lama's books and other lovely buddhist books.

But let us research.

WARRIOR-MONKS OF 16th CENTURY JAPAN
www.geocities.com...

Buddhism and war
www.bbc.co.uk...

WE need to grow in understanding.

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I am not a scholar of Tibetan history, particularly modern Tibetan history, but through long association with Vajrayana Buddhism I have been exposed to the Tibetan story over the years.

I believe it is true that the CIA were training and infiltrating Tibetan operatives into Tibet during part of the late 1950's to about 1965. I believe this started after an orgy of destruction in Kham (eastern Tibet) of monasteries and the like.

www.asianamericanmedia.org...

www.friendsoftibet.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Many of these operatives were Khampas. Khampas are the Tibetan speaking people from eastern Tibet. There were also Hui Muslims among them.

To say that the Khampas are a strong and combative people doesn't do them justice. When the Chinese started to sneak into Tibet in the early 1950's they ran into the Khampas first.

This is not the place to discuss the matter in detail, but at that time the Khampas regarded themselves as an independant territory. I'm not sure they would go so far as to say 'country' but like an autonomous region within Tibet. They are largely Kagyud buddhists, disciples of the Karmapa Lama, rather than Gelug buddhists, who are disciples of the Dalai Lama.

When it became apparent to the Khampas that something more than a casual border crossing rave was going on, the Khampas sent diplomats to Lhasa to inform the Dalai Lama's government what was going on and to request assistance, because they were having trouble holding back the Chinese Army by themselves.

The reaction in Lhasa was a kind of sly, "You're independant. That's a Khampa problem. It has nothing to do with us." The Khampas went back to war, empty handed.

They were the victim of their own politics because they had allied themselves, earlier with Chiang Kai Shek's Kuomintang as a way of keeping the Central Tibetans (from U and Tsang, the regions around Lhasa) off their backs. (Just as an aside, this region of the world is very independance and freedom oriented and known for shifting power plays and alliances.)

Eventually the Khampas were overrun and the guerilla war started, marked by all the nastiness and heroism associated with that kind of activity. (One story I heard told of a Khampa lady taking a Chinese general off a rope bridge into a gorge.)

The Chinese invasion was something of a nation building one for the Tibetans because it united all the Tibetan speaking people in common cause against the invaders. When the Dalai Lama finally fled Tibet in 1959, he was under Khampa guerilla escort to safety.

In the period referred to above ('56 to '65) the CIA were parachuting the Khampas (and I am sure, tough Central Tibetans) back in. There is some bad feeling toward the US even today because the Tibetans were finally abandoned by the US when China started to attempt to improve diplomatic relations with the US.

Melvin Goldstein's, History of Modern Tibet, is one well researched book on the subject, but of course it should be supplemented with different viewpoints.

I had to edit this post extensively to correct my faulty grasp of the timeline involved.


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