Chertoff Worries About 'Earth-Shattering' Events. Here comes the fear factor before the elections!

The only thing that caught my attention was when Chertnoff mentioned in the fy09 budget an increase for the implementation of the next generation of air monitoring equipment. Saying it would give his dept enough time to warn the public.

Say WHAT?

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


No contradiction at all. I am merely looking at patterns and making reasonable deductions.

Here is your GUT FEELING that he said this past year with no information or any sort of credible threat.

As far as this article goes - Chertoff knows the game - one which would suit you well to learn the rules of - and the game is that Chertoff knows that if he can say one sensational thing - like that he fears "earth shattering events" that it will be a headline.

He knows that people pay attention to the headlines and not the article (save for ATS'ers).

So spare me this "he is doing his job" nonsense. GOOD! I hope he is! Just have Chertoff save his gut feelings for the office and not try to scare the bejesus out of the US every time the Bush Administration wants something.

Speaking of patterns,

What happened in several other countries during their recent elections?

Spain ring a bell? Boom!

France? Riots.

Etc. Etc.

Perhaps the U.S is expecting the same?.




[edit on 2/11/08 by makeitso]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Chertoff is just laying out he cold, hard facts.

It's his job to worry about such things and we should be glad that he takes his job seriously, instead of engaging in the fear-mongering that you accuse Chertoff of.

There is no greater truth than this and it's echoed here almost daily by those who just refuse to face reality.

"The great weapon they have is persistence and patience, and the one weakness that we have is the tendency to lose patience and become complacent," Chertoff tells WTOP.

www.wtopnews.com...

[edit on 2008/2/11 by GradyPhilpott]

But do "they" really need persistence and patience when our borders are wide open? Isn't "Homeland Security" an absolutely useless organization when our borders are wide open (at least for alleged purpose of securing the homeland)? I mean, what do they do all day at Homeland Security when our borders are wide open??? Can Chertoff explain that to me? The very fact that our borders are not secure since 9/11 proves to me that all this talk of terrorists is nothing more than fear-mongering for political purposes.

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Yes the borders of the U.S. are still not secure, and you say that means the talk of terror is fear mongering. So are you saying there is no threat of any terror? Or will a terror attack that hurts some one you care about change the way you feel?

Originally posted by RedGolem
reply to post by kattraxx

 

Yes the borders of the U.S. are still not secure, and you say that means the talk of terror is fear mongering. So are you saying there is no threat of any terror? Or will a terror attack that hurts some one you care about change the way you feel?

I'm saying, if terrorism is such a threat to the U.S., why aren't our borders secure?

I just fear that even though his fears (chertoff) may be correct that this is also being used to control the population as a whole.

What bothers me even more is that we do not take the CORRECT action against those fears (securing borders, going after al queda/taliban in pakistan) instead we lock down our own population and our freedoms associated with it then throw our military out as bait in Iraq and wait and see what bites. While the money to do this just goes down the drain and turns our economy upside down.

Originally posted by kattraxx
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I'm saying, if terrorism is such a threat to the U.S., why aren't our borders secure?

I don't have any references for why that is, although be it, if you live in the U.S. and pay any attention to what happens when a politician, or some one does try to improve border security, and the flow if of immigrants into the country, I think you will have your answer.
In short, to many people are crying harassment, denying civil liberties, and filing law suites, when ever some one attempts to improve border security.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
It's

It's psychological manipulation - pure and simple.

[edit on 11/2/08 by kosmicjack]

new 2 posting on ats; still figuring this out as evident of my empty profile. ;0)
haven't figured out how to quote from different sources/members posts, so keep in mind.

regarding above quote; strongly agree. how does any one person or group obtain a following?...marketing. politicians are marketers; we elect the ones that sell or whom sold us!

to decipher between good and evil you must seek truth and listen with your spirit for which to adhere to.

the most productive way in politics to gain and use power... sell "terror." they don't even do it with direct word choice; leaving that "terrorizing fear" to muster up within our own thought is much better.

from original article
"We're moving properly and efficiently, but it only works if we don't lose interest in it. If we decide that it's no longer a concern, then we're going to be putting ourselves in danger." =P

he speaks of danger...does that phrase not strike a chord of fear..i think so

If we came to a "terrorizing thought" on our own, what he (an authority figure) is saying must be true...because my own mind thought of it! noooope, you were sold by a crafty illusion ; it's all marketing. all together, he's doing his job at informing us of terror & by using it!

dictionary.reference.com...

"terror 2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others."

& at a key moment in time--elections...

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I agree wholeheartedly! Welcome to ATS friend, I can tell you will be a great addition to the board. You need anything...

AAC



[edit on 11-2-2008 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

Is it me or do all these ESE's (Earth Shattering Events) always seem to have America involved !!!!

Doesn't that ring a bell in peoples heads, here comes another inside job, done by the people who you put in place to protect you, who because of their own agendas want to kill you.

Is it just me thinking this


Wolfie

I say bring it on! I'm so sick of empty threats and warnings and this might happen or this will happen. They're just saying this crap 1. to keep us scared, 2. so that they can say "Toldya So!" when something does happen.

For all I care, let Osama come to my front door with all of Al Qaida and they can all blow up at the same time.

These guys are practically begging AQ to attack, it's hilariously transparent.

Popular support for their attempt to build an Empire is faltering, faith in the economy is falling, cynicism - in this case simply a realistic appraisal of our leaders and their aims - is rising.

They need another terrorist attack to regain control.
I have no doubt that they are encouraging such an attack, perhaps even planning to stage one if the Islamists don't.

Originally posted by kattraxx

Isn't "Homeland Security" an absolutely useless organization when our borders are wide open (at least for alleged purpose of securing the homeland)? I mean, what do they do all day at Homeland Security when our borders are wide open??? Can Chertoff explain that to me? The very fact that our borders are not secure since 9/11 proves to me that all this talk of terrorists is nothing more than fear-mongering for political purposes.
[edit on 2/11/08 by kattraxx]

This, IMHO, is an inarguable fact. I would love to see any ATS member try to lay out a coherent argument otherwise. You can't. Amen Kattraxx - good kitty!

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Originally posted by Krycheck

How much fear and dis-information will be spread in order to try to maintain the current stranglehold on all of our rights?


www.wtopnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I don't see any disinformation in that article. I do see a lot of common sense. Not caring for Bush is one thing but ignoring real risks from fanatical religious zealots is just naive to say the least. Hate Bush but don't turn your back on the real threat of Terrorists while you do it.

I can only pray that whoever becomes our next President does not ignore them like Clinton did. To believe they do not pose a threat is suicidal behavior. Real people died because of the complacency caused by ignoring the problem. I hope I don't end up dead myself because somebody dropped the ball just to get votes and please a few unrealistic homegrown fanatics.

Bush totally ignored Al Quaeda until 9/11.

Clinton, for all his legendary failings, seemed to be making them a priority before he left office.

Outgoing defense officials from the Clinton Administration were shocked when incoming Bush officials totally dismissed their attempts to brief them on the threat from Al Quaeda, instead obsessing over Saddam Hussein and the Chinese.... this has all been documented repeatedly since 2001.

I love right-wingers and their attempts to rewrite history.
Just click your heels and make yourself believe!

[edit on 2/11/08 by xmotex]

And who is the complacent one now, allowing our borders to be so poorly guarded that any terrorist wearing a 40 foot neon sign can waltz across into the U.S.? Surely after seven years, you can't still blame Clinton. LOL.

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Bin Laden has been dead for over 5 years now and there hasn't been another attack since 9/11.

This means that those in power need to start up the fear mongering campaigning so when the election comes they can start their Iranian invasion.

"Don't worry folks, we're "freeing" the Iranian people from the Taliban regime, er Saddam, er...What's his name again Cheney?"

Sounds familiar, don't it?

I wonder if another Bomber is going to be jet setting around the country with Live Nukes on the wings in the coming weeks. Or a Meteor/Spy Sat crashing in South America.

What is the line from the Matrix, when you experience Deja Vu, its some sort of Glitch, or the Matrix resetting itself.

Its a shame too. In some ways I might be behind a strike on Iran if they were honest about it.

If the President got on TV, and told us that Iran is about to switch to the Euro for their Oil, the Same as Iraq, and that it will have Dire Consequences if we do not attack them to prevent it. That our feuds in the Middle East have less to do with Conservative Christians spreading Democracy, but an over-stretched dying empire trying to maintain the position of Top Dog in the world wide economy, and to quench its thirst for oil. And so on...

If they did that, I might consider supporting their harebrained attack on Iran. I doubt it though. It does make me cringe to think about the Bazillions of Dollars we are spending to secure a limited resource. Imagine if one tenth of the money spent on the "War on Terror" had gone to Sustainable Fuel Research. Would we have make a breakthrough, maybe not. But we would be a hell of a lot closer than we are now. Or if one tenth of the WOT funds had been spent on secure Borders and Coasts, no terrorists would ever get in.

Ironically, Chertoff more than alludes to 'Homegrown Terrorism'. Thats all we need. Martial Law type situations... What a waste to have started the Presidential Elections so early, only to have Bush declare himself King.

I sure hope his gut is wrong, and instead, he just has an undiagnosed ulcer.
DocMoreau

Why does this sound so familiar...

07.10.07 Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff Warns of Increased Summertime Al Qaeda Threat

07.09.07 Report finds 'gaping hole' at Homeland Security

07.10.07 Al Qaeda Cell in the U.S. Or On Its Way, According to New Intel

07.24.07 Bush's Martial Law Plan Is So Shocking, Even Congress Can't See it

07.20.07 Old-line Republican warns 'something's in the works' to trigger a police state

08.02.07 New Al Qaeda Web Ad Threatens 'Big Surprise'

08.10.07 To save America, we need another 9/11 (OP/Ed)

10.03.07 U.S. is preparing for its biggest terrorism exercise

Yup, the conditioning goes on..
Anyone else notice they brought back "Jericho"