Putin accuses U.S., NATO of reviving an 'arms race'

reply to post by wisefoolishness


As Chenney put it. "With the fall of the soviet union, no one can stop us, we are the new rome, thats the way it should be, and thats the way it ought to be."

Take that however you wish.

I personally dont believe in the NWO, atleast in the sense many on this site do. The US would not sacrifice itself for some other entity. IMO (sense I dont believe in the NWO) The "NWO" is PNAC (which stands for "Project for the New America Century).

reply to post by West Coast


i really think that if they want it done, theyll find some way to do it without making it obvious. the government, though it seems rather unintelligent at times, is smart enough to figure out some way to destroy Russia from the inside out.

The American Empire needs to be disassembled, from within, by the American people themselves.

The alternative is death and destruction on a scale that will make WW2 look like a minor skirmish.

No one nation can rule the planet.

Military fetishists like to fantasize about our supposed omnipotence, this, like the pursuit of imperial power itself, is a form of mental illness.

Fortunately most Americans I talk to are increasingly sick and tired of the consequences of this nonsense - only a very few care about being a world leader or a superpower, and I think we will increasingly see Americans who reject the whole notion voting for candidates who explicitly promise to get us out of the Globocop business.

Originally posted by xmotex
The American Empire needs to be disassembled, from within, by the American people themselves.

Power that goes unchecked can be a bad thing. I agree.

The alternative is death and destruction on a scale that will make WW2 look like a minor skirmish.

The US is more of a hegemonic empire. I dont see the US starting WWIII, this taking into considerations the current ongoing wars, and the "whispers" of war with Iran.

No one nation can rule the planet.

It is a part of this world, it has happened in the past, it will undoubtedly happen in the future (it already is happening).

Military fetishists like to fantasize about our supposed omnipotence, this, like the pursuit of imperial power itself, is a form of mental illness.

I could not help but think this was directed at me. I am by no means a military "fetishists", I am simply stating the facts.

Furthermore, I am a proud supporter of Ron Paul, who has a none interventionist policy.

Fortunately most Americans I talk to are increasingly sick and tired of the consequences of this nonsense - only a very few care about being a world leader or a superpower, and I think we will increasingly see Americans who reject the whole notion voting for candidates who explicitly promise to get us out of the Globocop business.

I think most Americans like being "on top". But many see an uncertain future America is headed. With the possible "distant future" emergence of china as a world counterweight to the US, this has many americans worried.

Put simply, power is to be envied.

Quazga, I have a better idea, how about we all nuke America becuase they are the only ones at the moment who want to rule the World. Attack Russia what a joke, America could not even beat men wearing pyjamas in Vietnam, and cannot now even beat the people of yet another 3rd World country. You know in life we are supposed to learn from our failures obviously America has not.

If you want your country to ressemble the surface of Mars then just nuke yourselves and leave the rest of us out of it. Wars achieve nothing other than the slaughter of innocents and money and power for those who fund and back them.

And do you think the rest of the World will sit back if you did attack Russia, the only way it could be achieved is with nukes and then we have the whole Planet iradiated, if you hate life that much then do the honourable thing and leave life to the rest of us.

Westcoast the NWO is not PNAC they are two seperate entities and neither will ever be realised. But on topic Russia is right to be suspicious, personally I would throw America and Canada out of Nato and invite the Ruskies in, after all we are talking about the defence of Europe from foreign aggressors and right now thats America.

I know this was not directed at me, but it appears we have ignorance on both sides of the aisles.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
America could not even beat men wearing pyjamas in Vietnam, and cannot now even beat the people of yet another 3rd World country.

This is rather...interesting, of you to say. Perhaps you can tell me where US forces were beat down by pajama wearing people in the mangled jungles of vietnam? Politics lost the US that war. Not lack of intestinal fortitude of the soldiers there, or the weapons they were supplied with.

Iraq, well we know what happened there, the total decimation of the iraqi military within a weeks time of fighting. The war is over, the conflict is not. We are there at the request and disposal of the Iraqis.

And you conveniently left out Afghanistan. Regardless of what you think, there are two new democracy's in the ME.

Gone are the days where saddam terrorized his people. Gone are the days where the taliban was free to rule with a primitive "iron fist".

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Lets keep the facts straight though.

Did Bush call Putin a terrorist? No he called him his friend. Russia just wants to get back in the game, They don't want war with us and we don't want one with them. They miss the cold war. Everyone likes to make cool new toys. Its like kids playing cowboys and indians.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Westcoast the NWO is not PNAC they are two seperate entities and neither will ever be realised.

That is fine if that is what YOU choose to believe (the nWo).

PNAC is not some conspiracy, it is a fact. So, i would say that it is in fact "realized".

But on topic Russia is right to be suspicious, personally I would throw America and Canada out of Nato and invite the Ruskies in, after all we are talking about the defence of Europe from foreign aggressors and right now thats America.

Russia is sulking because it is not Russia that is the one doing it. If the tables were reversed, you would probably have your "wish" in a united Europe with Russia, though it would probably not be under the freedom you enjoy today.

Originally posted by Quazga

The thing that causes the most civilization demise is two things

1. Generating a market for mercenaries
2. Not exterminating them when through

that would make a heck of an ad, wouldn't it.

enjoy the kick, the money, the lust for power - while it lasts


what so many people do not seem to get is that the ones who are supposed to be 'offed' have a mind of their own. the West Block's current status was derived from what now amounts to a con, the belief that they'd leave you alone (edit: aka. freedom), unlike many others. if that perception changes, the status will follow.

this all might sound as good as the Axis' plans for WW2 and, realistically, it looked very bad for their targets, for several long, very hard years, but when it becomes common knowledge that you're out of options, people will not surrender and choose death instead. who's going to run the world for you then, provided the Axis wins this time ?

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You are not free and as long as you think war you will not be

Those hell bent on striking another country or taking it down are crazy and brainwashed by the system they are now slaves of.

I cannot fathom how anyone with even a half intelligent brain can think going to war will do anything but hurt and profit the rich. To me this is a very primitive way of thinking, those who believe in war have a very little, if any, grip on reality and the consciousness of living beings.

I feel bad for all of you government war pets and in turn it makes me hate the gov't even more! Can you not see that you are being controlled, influenced and thrown into war games for profit and personal agendas?

We are citizens of this planet, not of countries with invisible borders.
This is the first step to realization.

And if you wonder why ET life is not showing itself, all you have to do is look at yourselves. A much higher consciousness is required, something a lot of you need to awaken within.

Peace on earth

Westcoast there is not democracy in Iraq or Afganistan what you have is a puppet regime put in place by the US and it is the US who calls the shots and those are the facts. Are you trying to tell me that if the Iraqi and Afgani people voted tomorrow for the US to leave their countries the US would do so would it, of course not. Americas ambitiions in the ME have nothing to do with democracy or the people of countries that it invades.

And as for lack of political will in Vietnam thats a joke, Kenedy was assinated because he did not support the reds under the bed scare so they put the Hawk Johnson in power. In the Vietnam conflict the US used everything in its arsenal bar Nukes to try and beat the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese and you still could not do it.

And the same is happening in Iraq and Afganistan, when will people like you realise that and invading occupying army will never win it never does and never will. The political wishes or greedy mans ambitions never will subjugate any race history should teach you that, empires come and go and as time pases they become short lived affairs.

Its quite simple really people dont like being tread on by a bully and I am quite sure that if the US was ever invaded you and your fellow citizens would react the same. Some how I dont see you and your mates accepting the benevolent rule of the Chinese to save you from yourselves.

As for PNAC yes its real but to say its what the NWO are using is wrong, the NWO is just a fantasy dreamed up by the parasites that really run the show and the show they are running now is to use the US to try and achieve what it wants just as has done many times before. Its the same old con with a different name. You see if the people in America and elsewhere really knew what was going on they would hang these parasites from the nearest lamp post. But as most are too busy filling their heads and mouths with rubbish they get away with it every time.

Like little children we are easily taken in by the little trinkets and fairy tales.

Good post Drew but for most it will fall on deaf ears, they are so controlled and indoctrinated that they simply do not know what reality is anymore. Reality for many is what the media tells them it is and rather than go out and see for themselves they dwell in their fear ridden lives waiting for some one to think for them.

I think Putin protests too much. Concerning missle defenses in Poland and such, the Putinator has already said they aren't a match for Russia's military. Then what is the problem? The defense is no match for him so what is he concerned about? The U.S. already offered Russia the opportunity to be involved with this missle defense system design and operation and they refused. In my opinion, it is Russia making this into an arms race, trying to regain its once upon a time status as a world super power. Putin was a KGB agent and staff member before the fall of the USSR and most likely wants a return to those days. Until the fall of the USSR empire Russia ruled over the eastern part of Europe with a heavy hand. Sure, they have a reason to be paranoid because of their past behaviour. Those Eastern European countries don't desire to be a part of the resurrected USSR. Hence their desire to be part of NATO.

reply to post by magicmushroom


easier said than done. especially in this case. when things are happening overseas, all you really have is the media, what choice do you have?

America is a military industrial complex. It has the biggest military budget every year. World spending amounted to $1,158 billion USD in 2006, with nearly half of the total amount spent by the United States.

If you look at it with common sense it is obvious to see that your government is pouring all that money into Iraq without ever having anything to show for it except a few 'insurgent' attacks thwarted. All that money spent in Iraq i hope your defense back home is good.

reply to post by xion329alpha


there should be a lot still here in America. a lot of airforce and navy should be here still. i know we have a lot of technology, probably better than Iran and China since we spend so much. a counter attack could be made in a matter of minutes if someone were to strike the states.

Originally posted by xion329alpha
America is a military industrial complex. It has the biggest military budget every year. World spending amounted to $1,158 billion USD in 2006, with nearly half of the total amount spent by the United States.

If you look at it with common sense it is obvious to see that your government is pouring all that money into Iraq without ever having anything to show for it except a few 'insurgent' attacks thwarted. All that money spent in Iraq i hope your defense back home is good.

Americas military budget (unnofficial budget) last year was estimated to be nearly 600 billion, with some 70 billion in research and development cost alone. How wrong you are when you say all that money is going in Iraq. Afghanistan and Iraq receive about 70-80 B dollars between the two of them. I think you get my drift.

As for "protecting" the home land, the US has the worlds strongest navy, as well as airforce. So safe to say any invasion force would be met with a stifling defense.

You have miss placed your common sense.

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And the same is happening in Iraq and Afganistan, when will people like you realise that and invading occupying army will never win it never does and never will. The political wishes or greedy mans ambitions never will subjugate any race history should teach you that, empires come and go and as time pases they become short lived affairs.
reply to post by magicmushroom


Je suis en désaccord. The Spanish completely exterminated the Caribe natives during their conquest of the new world. The "invading force" of Europeans into this part of North America have been pretty successful keeping the original inhabitants from taking it back.

Besides, as I understand it, an "arms race" is intended to deter war by keeping the opposing weapons so intimidating that the opponent has no clear cut chance of victory if they attack.

If thats the case, perhaps an arms race is good thing. Spend a majority of the defense budget on proliferation - less on operations.