FBI 'Deputizing' Businesses and granting them 'shoot to kill' rights!

reply to post by Knobee


This is aconspiracy orientated site so that is what we do and truth is what we pursue.

Corporations in our nation has become corrupted to the point that our own government is rule by them.

Even our wars are base on how much private interest can profit at the expenses of the American people that serve in our military so lives are expendable to this entities.

So the same way that wars are fought at the expenses of citizens expendable lives, so that much lives will be expendable by this entities in order to protect their corporate power.

Power corrupt ad so the people behind that power.


[edit on 10-2-2008 by marg6043]

the director of the FBI mentioned Infragard during the senate committe Intelligence hearing on Annual Thread Assesment...thing

there's a thread about it here www.abovetopsecret.com...
about Jay Rockfellar's concern for "home grown terror" as I would put it.

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
the director of the FBI mentioned Infragard during the senate committe Intelligence hearing on Annual Thread Assesment...thing

there's a thread about it here www.abovetopsecret.com...
about Jay Rockfellar's concern for "home grown terror" as I would put it.

Yeah, he's worried that the public isn't going along with the agenda like good little sheep, so we must be watched and controlled so TPTB can continue their pillaging unabated by public interference.

The point about members having "007" rights is pure and simple BS.

Originally posted by Knobee
Consider this scenario: a financial institution has an incident that they deal with internally (a hacker using a formerly unknown exploit, etc). They don’t want to deal with law enforcement directly because of issues with public relations, stock holders, etc.

InfraGard allows information on the case to be given to the FBI and “sanitized”, removing all information that points back to the specific organization from which it was generated. The sanitized report, containing enough information for other organizations to close down the vulnerability is distributed to the InfraGard finance sector.

Consider this scenario: your personal financial information is among the data "compromised" by this hacker, and since issues with public relations, stock holders, etc, are more important to this financial institution than bringing in law enforcement and risking going public with the knowledge of this occurrence, they can use this direct and private "pipeline" to the FBI to "sanitize" this event in order to notify their fellow organizations to the threat without having to alert the public or their own stockholders to the situation, and thus protect their own behinds and bottom line.

Right?

And this is a good thing?

Now tell us why this could never happen...because only the most trustworthy corporate employees are allowed into this club, as determined by the FBI?

It's completely up to them to determine what's good for the rest of us, no?

And if the operator of a fenced water reservoir, post "incident," sees a thousand thirsty refugees tearing down the fence to get a drink, who then is authorized to stop them, using lethal force if necessary?

Originally posted by marg6043

This is aconspiracy orientated site so that is what we do and truth is what we pursue.

Thus I come here and provide truth.

What you do with the truth that I provide you is up to you.

BTW, I love a good conspiracy, but, unfortunately, this ain't one...

Just last week I mentioned to someone that I'd love to be part of a "secret society" but at this point, they've all turned me down.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective


This is highly disturbing IMO. Businesses getting kudos and free reign to carry out shoot to kill rights for working hand in hand with the gov...

ww.progressive.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

What's really disturbing is that people actually believe that Infragard is a covert operation...[member]

Originally posted by goosdawg

Consider this scenario: your personal financial information is among the data "compromised" by this hacker, and since issues with public relations, stock holders, etc, are more important to this financial institution than bringing in law enforcement and risking going public with the knowledge of this occurrence, they can use this direct and private "pipeline" to the FBI to "sanitize" this event in order to notify their fellow organizations to the threat without having to alert the public or their own stockholders to the situation, and thus protect their own behinds and bottom line.

Right?

And this is a good thing?

Believe it or not, it's better than the alternative which is what happens most of the time anyway (having been laid off from a company because of my insistence that an incident of this type be reported, I know first-hand)...

Corporate folks that are going to break the laws regarding reporting disclosure of confidential information aren't going to report those events to InfraGard/FBI anyway. Of course, you knew that already. I call straw man.

And if the operator of a fenced water reservoir, post "incident," sees a thousand thirsty refugees tearing down the fence to get a drink, who then is authorized to stop them, using lethal force if necessary?

This is something that I guess you could ask of the local fenced water reservoir. Certainly not an InfraGard function.

Go to a meeting. Meet us. We aren't evil. We are people like you that want to keep bad things from happening to the infrastructure that you use every day (and just for a moment consider that the "incident" is another wild conspiracy theory).

BTW, I guess I'm breaking the InfraGard rules by actually responding to these posts...

reply to post by goosdawg


Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing more than protecting the corporate power in this nation over the needs of the citizens that make this nation, like I said corrupted version of government that is ruled by corporate power.

Originally posted by Quazga
I'm a member of InfraGuard. This is not as whacked out as the link might lead you to believe. This is about government by the people.

Of course I want law enforcement in the hands of the people. Otherwise, what else is there? Power hungry LEOs?

Yeah my esteemed friend beat me to starting this thread, I was reading about it myself the other night I downloaded the full PDF.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that law enforcement being in the hands of the "people" is without serious concerns. First, is law enforcement has always been in the hands of the people. Those people just never happened to be "my people".

Secondly , if you read the pdf and google your states chapter, you'll see that this is very hard to distinguish between,,

enforcement of the people by the people OR,, of the people against the people.

This is more then some sheriff posse.


- Con

reply to post by Knobee


I don't think that anybody find you evil at all, neither the regular people that perhaps support this group.

But we can not longer trust what we have as government now since 9/11, the secrecy surrounding our government officials and their deals with private interest is to big and obvious to ignore.

You perhaps are just the good guy, but hey you are only at the bottom of the ladder, unless you are friends and hunting partners with our VP.

He love closed door meetings with corporate big wits.

Originally posted by Knobee

Go to a meeting. Meet us. We aren't evil. We are people like you that want to keep bad things from happening to the infrastructure that you use every day (and just for a moment consider that the "incident" is another wild conspiracy theory).

BTW, I guess I'm breaking the InfraGard rules by actually responding to these posts...

Well your post is comforting to hear from a member and I will take you up on your suggestion.

- Con

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
This seems to be getting picked up, slowly but surely. Here's an article on it from alternet.org:

www.alternet.org...

Only if you consider a direct cut-n-paste by a like-minded organization to be "picked up"

The Progressive article would make a good case study on viral data (as in viral marketing / viral video) on the Internet.

Now, you guys wanna hear about my trip to Mount Weather?

reply to post by Knobee


I will love to hear if you have gone hunting with the VP.

Originally posted by marg6043

I will love to hear if you have gone hunting with the VP.

I'm brave... not stupid.

reply to post by puzzled2


Puzzled,

Please understand I am really one of the good guys and we agree on this topic. My post was done as sarcasm. those who know my posts usually understand this. My post was meant to show the way it should be not necessarily the way it is. I am very aware of the thin thread upon which we tread concerning constitutional rights.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

[edit on 10-2-2008 by reluctantpawn]

To the InfraGuard members and defenders. I do not believe that you belive there is anything to worry about, and that this is an excellent service.

There are several problems though. Your objectivity has been compromised. Being "better than the alternative" is not good enough. A statement like this makes it clear to me that you have swallowed their bait hook, line, and sinker. You have been propogandized and mildly brainwashed.

The second problem is this. For the moment it may seem to you like a really good idea. (In goes the frog to the pot of water on a stove. Now let's start to turn up the heat.) The Patriot Act seemed like a really good idea too until we found out that it was rubber-stamped in the Legislature without anyone bothering to read it. (Actually, I think there might have been ONE person. Was it Kucinich?) Now we find out that it gives the Executive branch FULL powers of dictatorship. Now keep in mind, these powers have not been invoked yet, so many people out there are still being fooled that it has actually done this country good, when in fact it hasn't really done anything at all, YET. These powers will be invoked. The stage is still being set though. And InfraGuard is one of the props.

www.progressive.org

Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does—and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law.

Now there's a fair and impartial source!

What's really disturbing is that people actually believe that Infragard is a covert operation...[member]

whats really disturbing is that people are blind to the ways in which they are being used by the beast, even though it is NOT "covert". I am constantly amazed how we all manage to sometime not see what is not hidden. The beast works in tiny increments, one law, one sitcom, one newsbite, one song at a time. Some see it, others cannot except in retrospect.

Keep studying history and reading between the lines today, if you can.

I found this picture, and I couldn't help but think of this thread and why the FBI would want to share their power.