FBI 'Deputizing' Businesses and granting them 'shoot to kill' rights!

reply to post by reluctantpawn


If you do not avail yourself of anything provided by the infrastructure, then why would you care if it was denied to you?

Let them manage or protect it in any way they see fit.

Just as you would be willing to protect and defend your own provisions.

I'm days away from completing my own moat with hydroelectric functions.

WTF is the matter with people!?!? If I read "If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about" one more time I'm gonna PUKE I've ascertained that people who rely on the old, "IF your innocent..." rubbish have NO knowledge of history. The Poles, the Jews and countless Germans were innocent as well and they had PLENTY to worry about, now didn't they!? Can't any of you advocating for this see the parallels? If not, you really need to purchase a few history books and get to education yourselves!

We are sliding into a state controlled dictatorship where individual freedoms are being sacrificed at the alter of state control all in the name of "safety" - and you fail to recognize the dangers that this poses to our individual liberty? It is so painfully sad to read anyone sticking up for this.

Learn about the Stasi, the Brownshirts, the Secret Police etc... these tactics have an unfavorable place in history with respect to the freedom and liberty of citizens.

reply to post by kerontehe


Since I live in a constitutional republic not a democracy my rights are guaranteed even as a minority. Even if I do not avail myself of the system that doesn't mean that the system needs to be rendered moot. We have a government that was set up with checks and balances so that no one group or individual could gain control. We have laws and rights that should not be bypassed. According to the U.S. Constitution no man or corporation has any more rights than any other. Justice should be blind as portrayed. Corporate law enforcement is not therefore legal. It is one thing to protect your vested interest. It is another to go out and look for potential problems. Since I am rather independent by this adjunct it would be O.K. for me to go out and shoot potential looters outside of my property or corporate entity merely for the sake of my future security.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

I posted this in the thread Cops to be given flashlight that 'incapacitates' from Homeland security

Sadly, it seems quite fitting here, and in several other recent threads as well.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the sick, the so-called incurables,
I did not speak out;
because I was not mentally ill.

When they came for the Catholics,
I did not speak out;
because I was a Protestant.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

- attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

I just watched a video called maxed out. Its about the banks, credit cards and debt. There was a blurb in the vid where the equifax corp wanted to install a free terminal in a police department. Now why would a police department need to check a persons credit worthiness is what I wondered. So did the police department.

It goes on to say, for the free terminal the cops had to enter into a reciprocal agreement to pass all information on hookups, contact and all else to the credit agency as part of the terminals use within the cop shop.

Sounds like a better way to file lifes little bumps into a credit report for lenders to charge more for there loan sharking business.

reply to post by reluctantpawn



Absolutely, I agree.

My defense of what I choose to allow into my world does not extend to guerrilla sorties outside my sphere of control.

Choosing to live mostly outside the structure of society I still insist that I be allowed to benefit from that structure. And when the structure falls from innattendance, I will ponder my naval and wonder why I was treated so unfairly.

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reply to post by Quazga


Amen to your post......One of the main reasons for 911 was a lack of intel and a failure to recognize impending danger.
An informed active business community working with law enforcement can prevent a catastrophe.
If the airlines security was vigilent and intel was shared on all levels we still could have the WTC in the NY skyline.
This country is in danger there are forces among us that seek to destroy our way of life.
An informed citizentry in conjunction with a functioning government (not the Beauracratic mess that exists )could save us.

reply to post by reluctantpawn


Greetings......In spirit,with reference to our constitution,we should be a representative republic,however,the reality is we are a representative democracy that has cultivated a form of government that allows individuals that are employed by or otherwise exact their livelyhood from this massive disfunctional beauracratic machine to vote your paycheck.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective
I went to the website and it is just a PDF form to fill out to join with no fee. You do have to submit to a background check.

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by reluctantpawn

 

Greetings......In spirit,with reference to our constitution,we should be a representative republic,however,the reality is we are a representative democracy that has cultivated a form of government that allows individuals that are employed by or otherwise exact their livelyhood from this massive disfunctional beauracratic machine to vote your paycheck.

That's such a crock of nonsense that I can't believe you said it. You've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much - take a break.

What I believe in is the CONSTITUTION, a document that has proven itself with the test of time.

What I DON'T believe in is a bunch of propaganda issued from a two bit loser in the White House who would do anything to grant himself more power.

Wake up before half the country ends up in the gulag because they don't lock step with White House drivel!

If you don't like to pay taxes for things like roads, police forces, bridges, schools, and other items for the public good, then take a freakin' hike! We don't need you because all you do is undermine the country while you grab all you can and hoard it up in some offshore account that exempts you from the costs of a civil society.

The goons have run amok.

reply to post by theodorej


In the words of the character Anthony Hubbard played by Denzel Washington in the excellent pre-9/11 film The Siege, "THEY"VE ALREADY WON!!!"

If you throw out the very values that make us Americans, what exactly are we fighting for now?






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reply to post by AWingAndASigh


I am not trying to be obtuse, but the Constitution has been suspended since 1933.

A Bigger Picture (Rise of the NWO)
U.S. Constitution invalid for nearly 75 years
Senate Report 93-549

reply to post by DocMoreau


I truly believe that is the case, knowing that our government is no longer for the people this entity we call government is protecting its own, in the events that indeed the people of this nation raises against them.

Interesting, remember that most laws that congress pass are written by corporate lobbyist groups.

Let me at least pretend we still live in a constitutional republic that is still in effect.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

this is very scary indeed that private citezens are being given the right to shoot to kill in the event of marshall law realy makes you wonder if they know more about an immenint declaration of marshall

kozmo good post

also

Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
The bigger question is what are they doing this FOR?

It sounds as if they're recruiting troops to help keep the peace in the midst of martial law. That gives me the creeps.

What is the government's end game in all this? I doubt it's about terrorism since the spying goes way beyond what's needed to fight terrorism.

In all likelihood it's too stem the social unrest when the economy collapses from the downward re-inforcing spiral of lost jobs (unemployemnt) and consumer spending.

which will be accelerating from houses prices falling more rapidly this year combined with the increasing costs of living, and the new majority attitude of citizens that things are going to get worse, and this attitude actually makes things worse, since they spend less, (this is why bubble vision spins the news to keep the ants marching, lest they figure out they are likely wiley-coyote (who just out ran the cliff) and have no solid footing.

it's kind of a mind - fu*k) when you analyze it, those that know what's up do nothing to publicize it (and quietly move to a rural "safe" area, because they know "publicizing" this will threaten to make it more of a disorderly panic. people panicking act irrationally and violence would increase, it's better off for people to figure out one at a time, how bad things are , let them come to their own conclusion that things are awful (often someone filled with hope won't realize till it is brutally obvious and their spirit is defeated) yet this will keep it drawn out and more able to maintain some sort of order in society, I salute and practice the power of positive thinking, but when it comes to external events that are gonna happen sooner or later, it is better to be realistic even if that consequence is being upset by truth.

for those who really look and think they understand the situation and don't see it this way , i gotta hand it to you, i hope your right, but i'm not waiting for the economy to be smiling when they they call the "doom and gloomer's" bluff.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by cpdaman]

Thomas Jefferson once said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

Guess what peple we are to that stage now.

I see this as an attempt to bing about corporate police with full arrest powers. Much like Blackwater but only serving the corporation. Very similar to a sci-fi movie I once saw. Can you imagine microsoft doing no-knock search and arrest warrants for music piracy?

respectfully

reluctantpawn

All one need do is read about Hitler. Read "Eichmann" and Read, "Treblinka". The insights into the two books show this is exactly how Hitler rose to power. He used "private" armies of various factions and business which were all steeped in fierce Germanic patriotism. He united the private power within the country itself and achieved patriotic glory and support- the German government had no support from its people because Hitler himself became the "people".

Its really that simple. Achem's Razor folks!

The difference between Hitler and the U.S. was Adolf's meteoric rise to power. The common denominator here is the economic woes and the "desperation" and necessity for economic immediacy. So far its identical.

Now the hole in this deception: Our government required slower indoctrination because the principal of FREEDOM required the destruction the constitution, which our patriotism does not allow for. Both countries population were armed. It simply required decades to disarm some 300 million people as well as the "legal" destruction of our many inalienable rights. Germany was far less complicated- two factions split down the middle were like Texas vs. California.

Patience is the virtue of our enemy- and ignorance the ally of the elite.

Video killed the radio star- video killed the radio star!

Originally posted by kozmo
WTF is the matter with people!?!? If I read "If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about" one more time I'm gonna PUKE

I've ascertained that people who rely on the old, "IF your innocent..." rubbish have NO knowledge of history. The Poles, the Jews and countless Germans were innocent as well and they had PLENTY to worry about, now didn't they!? Can't any of you advocating for this see the parallels? If not, you really need to purchase a few history books and get to education yourselves!

just to add even more recently with Tim Masters. He has claimed his innocence all along and he sure DID have a lot to worry about. He got screwed and locked up and only released from prison this year. And he is by far a fluke.