Barack Obama will be The Anti Christ

reply to post by SteveR


Why can't he just be a very magnetic person who is intelligent and a great orator? John F. Kennedy had similar characteristics but people did not going around saying he is the antichrist!!
Only b/c he is a black man, does he get all of this attention. It's ridiculous and speaks to how ignorant so many people still are. They just don't accept that a black man can be this talented without being suspicous of him. When does it all stop????

reply to post by SteveR


your whole thing is a mistake.... cause you got hte name wrong!


it is George W Bush! mohahahahaahh

say whatever you want... but it is the truth!

JFK was so nearly the perfect Anti-Christ figure, since he had a head wound and was assassinated and the world mourned. The only missing part was that he did not revive from a miracle after 3 days.
One of the Reasons why Obama fits is because of his many different social diversities that he has. He has Muslim background, a Christian background, a Black background, a white background and his bloodline traced back to Africa, could be from one of the Israelite tribes of Old still in his blood.

This kind of figure is very A-C like in modern Biblical understanding but we now that through narrowing down possibilities he must be from Israel or have be mixed race that will be used to draw in Jews and Muslims to create war between them when he is found out that he is not the true Messiah figure. Then again Hitler was more of an A-C than anyone else so expect someone with that mentality to be the true evil.

What people are seeing is the growing Stealth Jihad approach, Muslims who creep into society as sheep in wolves clothing until they gain momentum to become extreme in their views and use the Lie and Deceit approach as a religious right and tactical militant mentality. They can back track and support this Stealth Jihad through passages of their Qu’ran and they will use every militant approach to overcome the enemy.

What some Americans are afraid of is the fact the nation was deceived through a Terror plot of 9/11. The everyday way of life and freedom was used against the Americans, their own resources trained the terrorists in their own yard.

But the paranoia continues with the inside job debate.

The G W Bush wins the election again, maybe vote rigged, again another deception.

The War in Iraq, another deception and more soldiers killed and more hate against the Americans.

Now we have Obama, who is seen as the new hope for America. But people will e still sceptic after deceit after deceit and like G W Bush who we knew very little about some people have also looked into Obama and found something’s do not add up either.
They say his is related to GWB and the same trend or cycle will always be the same story because the choices have been purposely narrowed in the first place.

A lot of people will be pessimistic at first, I think its easy for people to forget how many times they have been deceived as every decision since 2001 has been made for the worse. Although America has not been attacked yet again by terrorists what we could now have is an assassination on Obama by white extremists, which have failed twice already. How will change happen if he does get killed? Can you imagine the Black back lash the disorder the hate in the nation of America once again? Because what you will find is that the hidden road to Marshal law was ready like a crocodile waiting to snap for the excuse.

Lets say he pulls the troops out of Iraq, what if Iraq becomes a civil war and the surrounding nations take a pick of the exposure of its insecurity?

It just seems the foundation of the broken wall has been laid so that the next set of brickwork will collapse once tried to repair. This is what people are also afraid of and the equation for another disorder in America has been set and we could have been duped by feeling the need of spiritual change so the demonic world gets a right of way into widening the cracks in the wall even further. The consitution was changed so people like Obama or even Arnold Swartzenegga gets their share of the American pie even if they were not born in America. Something’s could be planned in ways we do not know yet.

Ok, I'm a little confused here. First a topic says he's the Anti-Christ, then another one pops up saying the opposite - he's a Messiah. People, make up your minds! lol.

I think he's neither. Just another man who became a president. Except this time the skin colour is different.
Although I admit I do "sense" something about him. Not sure what it is.

You are fools to believe that Obama is the anti-Christ. The term anti-Christ first has to be properly defined. It doesn't mean what most people think it means ( most think it means one who is "against" Christ) It actually means one who is an "imitation" Christ or one who stands in lieu of Christ. Obama doesn't meet that description.

If one wants to define the anti-Christ one must search the scriptures and cross reference them to get understanding. In the Book of Daniel for example, we find that the anti Christ will be a "single" man who has no desire for women. This means that just like Christ, he will be celibate and have no wife or girl-friend. Obama being married with children immediately disqualifies that as well.

People have claimed everyone from Alexander the Great, to Hitler and Reagan were the anti-Christ. These are some of the same people who claimed the world would end on January 1, 2000.


I could go on but I won't waste anymore of my time. Fear is a horrible task master.

I can see the connection with Obama and the AC, on many fronts.

The big difference between Bush and Obama, is that Bush is absolutely hated by everyone. Where as people from all over the world for whatever reason have been taken by Obama, like he is a rock star or even the messiah himself.

I thought it was weird before, but now that he won the election I am seeing people fainting and crying and screaming on their knees for this guy. I have never seen anything like it.

The AC is supposed to rise to power out of no where and quickly. He will be loved by millions across the world. This of course absolutely eliminates Bush out of the running, Obama on the other hand....

Everytime I hear people say Barrack is Christian and Muslim it pisses me off because ANYONE of middle eastern decent is Muslim! Being Muslim is a race, ISLAM is a religion!

Muslims are treated the same ways as Jews... Like Judaism is a race and it's not, it's a religion!

I think he is more like a false prophet ..
Obama does not have a stout look ...man understanding dark sentences and does not appear to be a man who will get peace through war .....*Bush fit this better actually...

Remember that a false prophet has to come first (an Elijah John the Baptist of sorts or like a Messenger preparing the way of the AC) to bring in the AC rule with lysing signs and wonders etc (He is the one who will be all loved and adored) ..it is he who deceives everyone and gets all to worship the AC .......


[edit on 5-11-2008 by Simplynoone]

I find it interesting that with all this talk of what the "antichrist" is supposed to do and be, nobody ever backs it up with scriptures, let alone shows that any scripture they might be referring to is about a figure named "the antichrist".

I still say that Baracks Citizenship or just he himself being as liberal as he is on the subject will lead to changes in the rules for allowing one to be Potus in the next few years

Barack will Herald the ability of

Arnold Schwarzenegger to be elected to highest office

Arnol ats link

That's the man, right there lol

IF there is an Anti Christ, I have my vote cast for this guy... particularly look at vids at the end of my many posts

reply to post by doctorex


Thought yall were sick of endless scripture ..

Ok here is a few I borrowed it from a web site ..not because I didnt know scripture but because I am not real good at explaining it like others are ...

www.calvaryprophecy.com...
At this time it is important to bring in another character, the false prophet. It is not completely clear when the false prophet comes on the scene. He could have been there from the beginning, but stayed behind the scenes until his hour had come.

It’s not apparent what position he will hold, but his mission is clear. I believe he will head up the religious side of Babylon and the world church. I am quite sure that he is alive and well today in one of the church systems. He will work his way up through the future world church and one day ascend to its highest position, but in the end, he will betray them. His power will be astonishing and his bond with the antichrist will be unshakeable. From Dwight Pentecost’s book Things To Come is a description of the false prophet and his purpose:

In close association with the Beast, the head of the federated empire, is another individual known as the “False Prophet” (Rev. 19:20; 20: 10), called “the second beast” in Revelation 13:11-17, where his fullest description is given. In that passage of Scripture there are some important factors concerning him to be observed: (1) This individual is evidently a Jew, since he arises out of the earth, or land, that is Palestine (13: 11); (2) he is influential in religious affairs (13: 11, “two horns like a lamb”); (3) he is motivated by Satan as the first beast is (13:11); (4) he has a delegated authority (13:12, “the power of the first beast”); (5) he promotes the worship of the first beast and compels the earth to worship the first beast as God (13:12); (6) his ministry is authenticated by the signs and miracles which he does, evidently proving that he is Elijah that was to come (13:13-14); (7) he is successful in deceiving the unbelieving world (13:14); (8) the worship promoted is an idolatrous worship (13:14-15); (9) he has the power of death to compel men to worship the beast (13:15); (10) he has authority in the economic realm to control all commerce (13:16-17); (11) he has a mark that will establish his identity for those who live in that day (13:18).

Although the false prophet will eventually be as powerful as the antichrist, his only goal will be to promote the worship of the beast. In further discussion about the false prophet, Charles C. Ryrie goes on to say in his book Revelation that, “In order to accomplish his aim, this second beast (false prophet) will be empowered to do certain things…He will make fire come down on the earth in imitation of the power of the two witnesses, to show the world that he has as much power as they had.”

In doing these miracles, he will deceive the world into worshipping the antichrist as God. God will allow this display of wizardry to ultimately sift out those who will serve Him from those who will serve the antichrist.

Here is the link to read it yourself
www.blueletterbible.org...

A few more scriptures

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by doctorex

 

Thought yall were sick of endless scripture ..

Ok here is a few I borrowed it from a web site ..not because I didnt know scripture but because I am not real good at explaining it like others are ...

www.calvaryprophecy.com...
At this time it is important to bring in another character, the false prophet. It is not completely clear when the false prophet comes on the scene. He could have been there from the beginning, but stayed behind the scenes until his hour had come.

It’s not apparent what position he will hold, but his mission is clear. I believe he will head up the religious side of Babylon and the world church. I am quite sure that he is alive and well today in one of the church systems. He will work his way up through the future world church and one day ascend to its highest position, but in the end, he will betray them. His power will be astonishing and his bond with the antichrist will be unshakeable. From Dwight Pentecost’s book Things To Come is a description of the false prophet and his purpose:

In close association with the Beast, the head of the federated empire, is another individual known as the “False Prophet” (Rev. 19:20; 20: 10), called “the second beast” in Revelation 13:11-17, where his fullest description is given.

That is the false prophet, not anyone named "the antichrist".

In that passage of Scripture there are some important factors concerning him to be observed: (1) This individual is evidently a Jew, since he arises out of the earth, or land, that is Palestine (13: 11);

The verse says nothing about the false prophet being a Jew or rising out of Palestine....

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth (greek word: ge); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

1093. ge (ghay) contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Although the false prophet will eventually be as powerful as the antichrist, his only goal will be to promote the worship of the beast. In further discussion about the false prophet, Charles C. Ryrie goes on to say in his book Revelation that, “In order to accomplish his aim, this second beast (false prophet) will be empowered to do certain things…He will make fire come down on the earth in imitation of the power of the two witnesses, to show the world that he has as much power as they had.”

In doing these miracles, he will deceive the world into worshipping the antichrist as God. God will allow this display of wizardry to ultimately sift out those who will serve Him from those who will serve the antichrist.

Here is the link to read it yourself
www.blueletterbible.org...

Nothing about any one figure called "the antichrist".

A few more scriptures

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The translation above is deceiving. The verse in revelation 19:20 where it says "and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet", the word translated as "him" is autos. It is a word meaning "the same", as in the same thing previously mentioned, whether it be a he she or and it.

www.blueletterbible.org...

It the same word for example used when Christ is talking of sewing a new patch on to an old garment, there it is translated as "it"

Matt 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

He is not calling the patch a human being, it simply means the same thing previously mentioned, namely the patch.

Now to show that the beast is also not a a single human being...

REVELATION 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

The beast is not a single figure, not "the antichrist". The beast in Revelations is a kingdom, having 10 horns, meaning 10 kings as shown above.

[edit on 6/11/08 by doctorex]

reply to post by Dramon


It's funny that you say that "many blacks don't support him" when on CNN today states Obama recieved 95% of black votes which make up 15% of the electorate.

people please ...

You have to find a way to hate the man...you cant say openly that you hate a black president and then you come up with excuses like him being the Antichrist?

Do you know how old he was when his mother divorced his father and married the other guy?

The picture on the bible is of a religious leader; it speaks of the beast being hurt with a deadly wound and another beast healing him and making people follow him;
it speaks that he will be given power to perform miracles...And when the bible was written, miracles didnt mean historical elections; they meant real miracles like the wine thing from Jesus.

Now, even if he was the Antichrist, whats in there for you? are you afraid? is so, why? because you know you are going straight to hell, thats why. If you live a life of a true christian then you know that it doest matter who he will be, what matters is if youre eligible to the heavens.

Youre are focusing your attention to the wrong place. Did you know that the catholic church is in talks with the muslims? one world religion?

in every aspect of the prophecy, this anti-christ persona(which incidentally doesnt appear in Revelations, and when it appears in St. Johns letters it means any one who doesnt follow Christ) is religion-related.

Can you picture Obama raising his hand and healing all the sick? what about the pope?

Read the bible for yourselves. If you ever end up in hell at least it will be because you fooled yourself and not because you were too lazy to make some reading and took the first idea available.

And oh, that whole muslim thing is BS because when the book was written there was no muslim religion, so there is no clue connecting the anti-christ with the muslim world.

[That is the false prophet, not anyone named "the antichrist"]

That was what I said ..I dont think he is the Antichrist but a possible false prophet ...read my post again ....


[The translation above is deceiving. The verse in revelation 19:20 where it says "and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet", the word translated as "him" is autos. It is a word meaning "the same", as in the same thing previously mentioned, whether it be a he she or and it.]

What are you saying ? That you think the False Prophet and the AC are the same ? I am not sure I believe that ...


[Now to show that the beast is also not a a single human being...
REVELATION 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
The beast is not a single figure, not "the antichrist". The beast in Revelations is a kingdom, having 10 horns, meaning 10 kings as shown above.]

There are KINGS who rule kingdoms is there not ?
So your saying a country will do miracles and lying signs and wonders ? How does that happen ? >

And a whole country will be wounded and rise again and then speak great things do miracles etc ? How would a whole country do that ? See how that sounds ?

Ok now read this and NOTICE it says MAN >>.(The verses above it are talking about Lucifers fall from heaven)>

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] THIS THE MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Isa 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as] the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, [are] four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth.
(((NOTICE IT SAYS KINGS)))))

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
(((((((((((((TEN KINGS and ANOTHER SHALL RISE and HE (NOTICE IT SAYS HE) shall be diverse and shall subdue three kings......


Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
(((((((NOTICE IT SAYS A HE again ))))))


How can a nation speak without someone SPEAKING for that nation ?
And how can a Nation subdue three KINGS without someone at the HELM ?


Doesnt make sense why some Christians think he wont be a man ..but a nation ......someone RULES OVER THOSE NATIONS .....

Christ came as a man ..I have no doubt the AC will come as a man too ...
He will mimic Christ so he will FOOL the JEWS and the Jews are expecting him to be a man ......not a NATION ....they are waiting for their coming KING as their Moshiach >....not a Nation

As far as the false prophet being a Jew ...why wouldnt he ? The Jews are expecting an Elijah (They are still expecting Christ first coming and the scripture says Elijah would come first ..so in order for the Jews to accept him it would have to go down as scripture says it will) ..... ...I dont believe they would accept anyone as a prophet lest he were Jew ..same with the AC ...(Although I will admit I could be wrong on that ) ..
And I dont think I agree that he comes from Palestine either ..so that one I will give ya ...




[edit on 6-11-2008 by Simplynoone]

I doubt that Obama is the antichrist. he does have a messiah complex and pride comes before a fall. i will say tho that his presence and nomination as president will undoubtably pave the way for the real antichrist...people are dropping their gaurd and will take the real antichrist hook, line and sinker when he does come.