Police officer records UFO

So a guy lost a lawsuit cause he couldn't prove aliens exist. I would hate to see a Christian in one of these suits. Even something so well known as god cant be proved in court. Does that mean he don't exist? Who knows .
No offense . But is this your website? If it is I'll be a little less offended. In fact besides it being against the TOS. It would explain your position on this one .

My take on why the video was edited is this . Maybe the guy he had pulled over wouldn't sign off to let the video go public with him in it . So they edited the guy he has pulled over at the time out for someone who didn't have a problem being in the video just to prove the video was taped by a cop .

These people are very religious and maybe he didn't want to be shown being pulled over at conventions around the world. I mean theres a good chance that everyone in these vids have to sign a waver. Maybe he was unavailable. Who knows right?

I don't discredit a video based on the presenter. The recorder of the video and or the contents yeah . But not the guy who takes the time to show it to people lol .
Regardless of his motives . Unless you can prove HE intentionally faked it had someone fake it . And or payed for the video to be faked. I don't think he has much to do with the video at all . Your just shooting the messenger.
By all means if you can debunk this based on anything but the presenter please do. A few people have had some great ideas and explanations .
But i personally still have hope for this one .

it appeared to have some spikey protrusions. Like antennae. He shoulda shot at it.

reply to post by earthman4


Lol now that would make for a great video . And blow the balloon theory out of the water.
I cant really see the spikeyness. Maybe its my little crt monitor i'm sporting as of late.

[edit on 29-1-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

Originally posted by nekitamo

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
This UfoWatchdog whoever he is does not even give us his name, but he trashes everyone else's. He's a nobody and should not be trusted to tell the time.

Oh, you did some research? How about clicking the link that says "Contact"? Also, don't miss to check how they 'slapped' one of those UFO quacks in court.

Wish there were more sites like that and less gullible people like you. Then perhaps there could be some serious UFO research, this way you attract to much quacks trying to make a buck in the field.

P.S. - forgot to add, thanks for your welcome!

[edit on 29.1.2008 by nekitamo]

Your welcome (is that redundant?)

Actually this is not an appropriate discussion for this thread and I don't do piddle fights as I stated.

I am gullible?? Hm, did you look that up?

You don't have a name or a history. I would sooner trust the word of the sick daughter of a Nigerian official who has a million dollars for me if I send her my bank transfer and ID numbers. Shot missed by a parsec.

I did look at the link and then found this guy is as controversial as anyone he attacks. He and others are in a poop fight and I don't stand anywhere in proximity to such low register activity, as poop splatters.

I did see my old pal Kal Korff while I was trudging through that net mud on this. Kal, a kid when I met him lived in my town in the late 70's and I worked with on a book. He screwed me when he published his first book on the Meier material. He is a creepy guy too as I knew his (our) book with Bill Moore (no relation) was based on bad research. He ripped me for almost 10 illustrations I never got back or paid for and never saw him again and I never saw a dime.

None of what I have seen in your post dissuades me in the least. In fact I need to shower to get the muck off me for the hour or two I looked into this group of poopie headed creeps.

Let's leave this thread to the subject at hand. It was more interesting before all this muck.

ZG

P.S. You might find that this is not your regular chat site where you can de-cred others without repercussions and scrutiny from sharp people. You might not last long here unless you trim for better flight. I'm no exception.

reply to post by ZeroGhost



This thread has been debunked. The title should be renamed [HOAX] Police officer records UFO [HOAX]

Nothing to see here folks. Just a charlatain trying to sell an obviously insultingly fake 'UFO' footage to the gullibles. Move along.... Move along...





[edit on 30-1-2008 by Macrotus]

reply to post by Macrotus


I fail to see any evidence of what you speak of . . I have reported your post as it adds nothing to the thread . And seems like an attempt to incite an argument.

This is a topic for everyone to discuss, and to have an opinion on. If there's to be a label of (HOAX) put on something, then that decision will be decided by staff. Until then, there's no need to decide for the site what is or is not a hoax, we've seen a lot more than you would believe.

If there's something a member doesn't agree with, then hit the complaint button, and if it's an obvious hoax, it'll be labeled that way.

Let's keep it civil, folks. And let's allow each member to make up their own mind. Present what you think, have evidence for, and wait to see if you were right.

You can't hope to deny ignorance without an open discussion. And you can't have an open discussion without civility.

Originally posted by Macrotus
reply to post by ZeroGhost

 

This thread has been debunked. The title should be renamed [HOAX] Police officer records UFO [HOAX]

Nothing to see here folks. Just a charlatain trying to sell an obviously insultingly fake 'UFO' footage to the gullibles. Move along.... Move along...

[edit on 30-1-2008 by Macrotus]

I would truly appreciate any reference you might have. You could claim Pigs can fly, but we would need more than a simple dismissive statement you have responded with.

We can always appreciate new information and links that will add to our investigation here. I know I do. Need more though.

ZG

Master and "ufo" have a different aspect ratio.
Want proof? Learn a thing or 2 about audiovisual techniques. Could come in handy if you're on the look out for ufo's 24/7.

Debunked.

Bye.

Originally posted by beforetime
i could have swore int he united state's
police dash camera's do not move around and zoom.

it sent a alarm off to my brain.
something fishy.

have anyone ever seen a police onbaord camera move and zoom in out ect...? i know i haven't.

that's why police pull up behind peopel not from the side so camera see's every move.

they dont pull up beside someone and camera is sideway's never seen it happen before.

i could swear they are locked down so they can't move.
bolted down so bump's wreak's ect... can't even move the camera.

then again in mexico they might use hand held cam corder's for police use i don't know lol

just saying it don't feel close to right...
in this video.

the video from a police camera jump's from him outside car to openign door.
and someone turnign the camera's.
a police camera don't take a pause or break for no reason unless out of film.
so beats me lol
it may be real footage but to me seems fakeish


[edit on 26-1-2008 by beforetime]

No most Police Dash Cams can move and be unmounted from the vehicle. They can also zoom in and out and have night vision. I know this because I am a Police Officer. Depending on the model all this can be done.

reply to post by antarus


Care to collaborate?

Well then, how come he hasn't handed the ORIGINAL video to audio/video independent specialists OUTSIDE of Mexico? Why?

It seems that there is no use of perpetuating this thread until EVERYTHING is 100% been proven positively conrete with no doubt.

The Maussan guy has been known to be a charlatain, just like the Swedish dude with the beard. I hope you believers take that FACT into account before accepting anything from that kook as FACT.

However, I caution you, Skepticism is the best approach to everything. Do not accept anything before there is 100% indisputable proof either way. Withold judgement, either for or against the existence of UFO's, USO's, or anything of the type.

So that leaves us with a shady guy with the propensity and to fabricate hoax and present it as a legitimate UFO footagr between the conformation of a 'Unidentified Flying Object' that allegedly dissapeared into thin air.

So if within a month this thread dies without the possessor of the original video handing in the original video for scrutiny, it will become HOAX like all the countless of 'forgotten' threads in ATS, whereas the possessor didn't even took the initiative to turn in the video to the specialists.

And Maussan is known for not turning obvious FAKE video to independent video specialists... and the first time I saw this video is a few months ago, so this video also has a high probability of being FAKE.



[edit on 31-1-2008 by Macrotus]

Originally posted by antarus
Master and "ufo" have a different aspect ratio.
Want proof? Learn a thing or 2 about audiovisual techniques. Could come in handy if you're on the look out for ufo's 24/7.

Debunked.

Bye.

Audio visual? We are in the age of digital virtual reality. Audio visual was for school room TV and film 40 years ago. Some of us are digital CG professionals, but by your points I see you just came to throw out some unenlightened comment. Read a bit first, be thoughtful and respectful so we can answer your questions or hear your referenced material.

You are not getting attention from us with "drive-by dismissive buzzwords" It is clear you are not informed enough to discuss.

Your debunked.

ZG

Originally posted by Macrotus
Well then, how come he hasn't handed the ORIGINAL video to audio/video independent specialists OUTSIDE of Mexico? Why?

It seems that there is no use of perpetuating this thread until EVERYTHING is 100% been proven positively conrete with no doubt.

The Maussan guy has been known to be a charlatain, just like the Swedish dude with the beard. I hope you believers take that FACT into account before accepting anything from that kook as FACT.

However, I caution you, Skepticism is the best approach to everything. Do not accept anything before there is 100% indisputable proof either way. Withold judgement, either for or against the existence of UFO's, USO's, or anything of the type.

So that leaves us with a shady guy with the propensity and to fabricate hoax and present it as a legitimate UFO footagr between the conformation of a 'Unidentified Flying Object' that allegedly dissapeared into thin air.

So if within a month this thread dies without the possessor of the original video handing in the original video for scrutiny, it will become HOAX like all the countless of 'forgotten' threads in ATS, whereas the possessor didn't even took the initiative to turn in the video to the specialists.

And Maussan is known for not turning obvious FAKE video to independent video specialists... and the first time I saw this video is a few months ago, so this video also has a high probability of being FAKE.

I'm quite skeptical of your material and comments. Am I doing that right?

If he does not turn over the video, how can you be sure it's fake? Many people whom "turn over" their video never get it back. If a lab cannot prove it is fake in some cases they can accidentally loose it. Oops! Sorry. The people who are government spotters for this type of evidence like video are just fronts who gobble this stuff up from a farmer out in Hayseedville or a single mom in suburbia who don't know better and make sure the evidence is hijacked. "Oh we can evaluate that for you! Well make you a copy." Never seen again. Maussan has been doing this for some time and knows not to let go of original materials. Like many, he has been burned. Once bitten, twice shy.

Oh you speak of Meier? I worked on the first book debunking him. I found that it was unfounded and bad research then in 79-80. They still have not debunked him. Some sites claim inaccurate facts or downright lie about him. The fake models where made to try and show the photos could not be faked. Do some digging and not just subjective skimming. We are well read on both sides on these.

We cannot even confirm you are 100% concrete. Should we consider you a fake? Hmm, why will this line of reasoning not work?

Hang out for a while, read the whole thread and find out more about who and what is being discussed. Your comments will be much more valuable then. Your new here, so see how things are different then other places you've been.

This is discussion. Not slap-chat.

ZG

[edit on 1/31/2008 by ZeroGhost]

So he will not turn in videos?

That is one but main reason to call it FAKE. IT'S BEEN MONTHS AND HE STILL HAVEN'T TURN IN HIS VIDEOS. WHY? Afraid that people going to know he's faking it and afraid he can't sell anymore of it?

How would you know that he will not get it back? I said INDEPENDENT video specialist. Not the 'big bad (oooooooo) gubbermint". Sound like he's a typical Billy/John Lieir to me... "Can't turn in element 115 cause the 'big bad (oooooooo) gubbermint" Can't turn in crappy obviously tempered/edited blurry videos because of the 'big bad (oooooooo) gubbermint". Can't turn in fake plastic ray gun because of the 'big bad (oooooooo ) gubbermint".

That is just plain silly!

If he is so right, why would he be afraid? This Maussan guy is getting shadier and shadier by the minute.

Funny how there's thousands of pictures and "proof", and none of it is clear. Funny how all the pictures are crappy, and the ones that aren't are obviously bull$#!+ or explainable.? Lots of evidence, sure, but you need to be more intelligent and discerning about who's giving it to you and what the "evidence" actually is. Don't be a chump. Now the bible! There's a good source for yah.

This thread will die eventually like all the countless of ATS threads with no concrete proof...




[edit on 31-1-2008 by Macrotus]

reply to post by Macrotus


You are obviously, at least currently, emotionally upset and are new, so I will leave you to read more. You seem to be very uneducated in this area.

You might want to find a thread in BTS you can deal with like Cooking or Gardening. Or try reading something to practice thinking. Really all you are doing is showing that such views are from unintelligent and emotionally immature people.

You will have to learn how to discuss without tantrums eventually. We like you to substantiate with compelling material, not unfounded rants. I very much enjoy answering good questions. I just don't see any here from you. Just childish insults.

Good luck.

ZG

reply to post by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR


no he lost the lawsuit because he could not demonstrate that defamation had occured , or that he had suffered any loss

Still could be a balloon, but I have to say Mexico seems to have some of the most far-out, creepiest sightings ever. Really gives a new term to Alien border jumpers coming from that side of the border, no joke tho.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost

Originally posted by antarus
Master and "ufo" have a different aspect ratio.
Want proof? Learn a thing or 2 about audiovisual techniques. Could come in handy if you're on the look out for ufo's 24/7.

Debunked.

Bye.

Audio visual? We are in the age of digital virtual reality. Audio visual was for school room TV and film 40 years ago. Some of us are digital CG professionals, but by your points I see you just came to throw out some unenlightened comment. Read a bit first, be thoughtful and respectful so we can answer your questions or hear your referenced material.

You are not getting attention from us with "drive-by dismissive buzzwords" It is clear you are not informed enough to discuss.

Your debunked.

ZG

You're quite right, but old relics like me still like to use the term "audiovisual", probably out of nostalgia. Your remark would suggest you have a keen eye for details, yet again, if you don't see this video is a messy result of editing, you might want to brush up this professional CG knowledge of yours. Why would I have to explain my opinion to a full extend on a forum such as this one? It would be a waste of time. I normally don't even post in these awful topics, but this time I thought I'd steer it in the right direction so you "professionals" can take it from there.

As far as my knowledge is concerned, please don't worry about me, I've been teaching this subject since the 70's. Seems I could teach you a thing or two about respect aswell.

Good day

[edit on 1-2-2008 by antarus]

Ok folks, enough with the subtle jabs..

Let's get back on topic :

Police officer records UFO

And please remember to be civil

Courtesy Is Mandatory

Thank you,

JacKatMtn
ATS Member & Forum Moderator