[HOAX]Michael Horns Billy Meier photos[HOAX] from C2C tonight

Originally posted by lee anoma
What about the time travel photos of the dinosaurs he claimed he saw that were taken from a painting?



This was posted by conspiracynut23 in this ATS thread: Ray Gun
From the site: Space Time News of Razimus.com

Why would he tell the truth about those UFO photos and then make up this kind of nonsense?

Those that believe him and his case to be real, will you please ask yourself the same question?

How do you explain the obviously fraudulent photos? You all seem to be ignoring this smoking gun.

- Lee

Originally posted by AGENT51
Oldschool: You can find the answered to your questions in my earlier posts. Again. Its not like I'm Meier-ite. Just asking questions. Asking such questions causes quite a bit of discomfort around here.

After re-reading all of his posts in this thread, this is the ONLY response to those questions that are pertinent to not only the case, but but why he continues to ignore the overwhelming evidence against it's being genuine. Remember, this is his ONLY response, the one he keeps telling us to re-read his posts for.

Originally posted by AGENT51
And no, I cannot aswner your above questions as I have a few more of my own:

He then Cuts and Pastes a large section of someone else's site without permission or giving a source *ahem-plagiarism-cough*, demands a duplicate photo and model be made , and thinks that is enough to shut us up, all the while refusing to even acknowledge the "ring of fire" duplication at all.

There was someone else on this site who got banned more than once for pretty much doing the exact same thing your doing. I do think it is strange that you reference his site, cut and paste large sections of it, and act exactly like him.

By the way, Not one single one of Horn's questions are relevant to the issues at hand. We don't need to know exactly what materials it is made out of to know what materials it most definatly is NOT made of. If the Prophet Meier\Christ (or the deity formally known as Christ, according to him) claims they are genuine photos, than all we have to do is prove they are not.

When on a hike in the woods, I don't have to know what the bear ate yesterday to know that I'm looking at a pile of crap.

Nor do I need to put another pile of bear dung, or a DUPLICATE pile of scat, next to it in order to make sure they were exactly the same....



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Lotiki: Not the most pathetic way to try and get someone banned, but pretty close.

The fact that your point out Meier as claiming himself to be Christ is proof you havent really researched his story (phony or not). He never claimed that. Leave the real investigating to others who are able to have a discussion.

The fact that you think I'm Horn is hilarious at best. I've stated I feel the WCUFO is likely a model. Do your research before you reply next time.

... and no..cutting and pasting questions is not plagiarism. Anyone can write those. Try again.

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Yes , he did.

He said he is the physical reincarnation of the man that we know to be Jesus Christ, but his real name was Jmmanuel and history had his name wrong.

I dont care if he calls himself Jim-Bob the Good Fairy, he still said he was that man we know as Christ. A rose by any other name and all that.

... and no..cutting and pasting questions is not plagiarism. Anyone can write those. Try again

Actually, cutting and pasting without giving credit, especially from a website that someone else has a financial interest in, is the definition of plagiarism.

Going by your logic, since anyone can type up a copy of Moby Dick, we should all be able to type it up and sell it as our own work.



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Originally posted by Lotiki
Yes , he did.

He said he is the physical reincarnation of the man that we know to be Jesus Christ, but his real name was Jmmanuel and history had his name wrong.

I dont care if he calls himself Jim-Bob the Good Fairy, he still said he was that man we know as Christ. A rose by any other name and all that.

And where is your evidence of this? More hearsay?

In response to your "cutting and pasting" argument....any photo posted on a forum would be plagiarism...which would make ALOT of posters on this forum criminals. Please....just try another line this time.

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Originally posted by AGENT51


And where is your evidence of this? More hearsay?

Its in his own writings and posted on his own site..............

I founded the "Free Community of Interests" (FIGU) to fulfill my mission, a ten thousand year assignment, which states that I have come to this Earth in another incarnation to proclaim once again the truth of BEING, Creation and love to the people on Earth."

And the son of man shall be in torment for a long time, and he shall be reborn in many lives as prophet; and he shall begin his mission on Earth as Enoch and return another time as Elijah, then as Isaiah, whom he shall follow as Jeremiah and Jmmanuel and then as Mohammed.

This is awesome, I forgot he also claimed to be Mohammed

As previously mentioned in his various conversations 2000 years ago, Jmmanuel's true spiritual teachings were greatly falsified shortly after he performed his activities in Palestine. The emerging Christianity initiated and established from his person a fictitious cult entity known as the "only-begotten son of God the Father".

The above exerpt was taken From FIGU, the website of Meiers cult.


[Sarcasm]So if hearsay is being written down and verified by Meier himself, I guess so....[/sarcasm]

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Show me one quote where Meier said that he, himself was Christ reincarnated.

reply to post by AGENT51

Well AGENT51. Michael Horn or not, your conduct throughout this thread certainly sets more than one alarm off. And for those having been around here a while you certainly come off as someone just a wee bit too millitant when it comes to Billy Meier to not cause suspicion.

Now why do you think that is?

And like many other's have said before me (as well as myself). The burden of evidence lies on the source of these fantastic claims. Not the other way around.


[edit on 30/1/08 by Durden]

Originally posted by Lotiki

Originally posted by AGENT51


And where is your evidence of this? More hearsay?

Its in his own writings and posted on his own site..............


[Sarcasm]So if heresay is being writtin down and verified by Meier himself, I guess so....[/sarcasm]

Oh, while you are Googling and looking for your source...here is a source directly from Billy saying he is NOT Christ reincarnated.

Billys Claim

Thanks for sharing your facts.

Originally posted by Durden
reply to post by AGENT51

 

Well AGENT51.And for those having been around here a while you certainly come off as someone just a wee bit too millitant when it comes to Billy Meier to not cause suspicion


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I have stated that I thought one of the photos was a model. I fail to see how that makes me a Meier Militia Member.

Funny, thats the same site I just pulled those excerpts from where he says he is the REAL Christ(Jmmanuel) and were all wrong about the FAKE Christ(Jesus Christ).


Again, a rose by any other name. I don't care what he says his real name was, He says he was the man we know of as Christ.

As previously mentioned in his various conversations 2000 years ago, Jmmanuel's true spiritual teachings were greatly falsified shortly after he performed his activities in Palestine. The emerging Christianity initiated and established from his person a fictitious cult entity known as the "only-begotten son of God the Father".

And now, about his "reincarnations";

One of them was Enoch, for instance, then there were also Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jmmanuel and Mohammed in an incarnation lineage.

Lol, I forgot he said he was Mohammed too. Thanks for the link.


Why do you continue to avoid the "ring of fire"? Why won't you even mention the duplication, seeing as you seem to be big on duplicating Prophet Meier\Christ\Mohammeds other photos?


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I'm sorry Lotiki, but your posts does not prove your claim. I'm not a Meier follower. You are just sharing information out of context to back up your made up claim. I've backed mine up with a real source

again...show me ONE quote of Billy Meier's where he claims to be Christ. One.

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Originally posted by AGENT51
I'm sorry Lotiki, but your posts does not prove your claim. I'm not a Meier follower. You are just sharing false information. I've backed mine up with a real source again...show me ONE quote of Billy Meier's where he claims to be Christ. One.

Agent51, my "false information" was taken DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE YOU POSTED.


I posted 2 quotes , made by Billy,for the second time, in the post directly bore you just asked for them.

I have come to the conclusion that you know Horn and Meier are frauds and for some stupid reason unknown to the rest of us ,(i suspect your financial interest), you decide to tout the case as real.

When you ask stupid questions that have been answered twice right before you asked and tout the "wedding cake" as real, you are throwing it in our face that no matter how foolish a rational man thinks it is, as long as someone continues to say its real no matter what, someone else will buy the book.










[edit on 30-1-2008 by Lotiki]

Originally posted by AGENT51
I have stated that I thought one of the photos was a model. I fail to see how that makes me a Meier Militia Member.

Hey here's a suggestion. Take a deep breath, pretend you're someone else than yourself for a while and read through your own posts from the very beginning, reviewing your own conduct throughout the whole thread.

It may or may not give you a clue. And if you still fail to see it, again ask yourself the question I posed in my previous post.

...right...and not ONE of those words was quoted from Billy Meier. You took words out of context. The info I posted directly refutes your claim, so please. Just stop. All you have to do is lick on the link. This is ridiculous.

Lotiki...I'll make it real easy for you...here;s what happens when you click on the link...

(content from external source)




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The Meier Case...

What i find so strange about Meier and his aclaimed UFO's is that aparently he have no original negatives left of all the pictures he has taken.
Stolen? Lost? Burnt?
Sounds very convinient to me though.
If I had real pictures of ufo's i would put the negatives in a safe place, oops, but he has a safe, full of weapons.
And if i wanted to be respected by the ufo community and their investigators would i go and make things up to strenghten my case?
You know, like the pics with the women from tv???
Would i release a faulty pic (wcufo) of a ufo, where parts of the decoration fallen off from it, and is vissible, the pic when you clearly can see a manshaped being holding something that is burning on the end of steelwire spinning it... sheehs forgot, that is the new kind of UFO, the rotational forces from that spinning will make him fly!

Credibility, where?
And for the defenders of this case, please dont jump on the rest of things that you know can't be verified, and since it can't be verified with physical evidence, you want us to trust his credebility??

If i would deny this as being a HOAX! i would be ignorant indeed.

(snip)


Billy Meier says the historical figure that we know as "Jesus Christ" was really named Jmmanuel and the events of his live have been changed to fit the church.

Billy Meier says he is the reincarnation of Jmmanuel, as well as Mohammed and other religious figures throughout time.


For some reason at the top of the page where the cult explains all this, it has the words that you show. I dont know why they would say "he never said he was reincarnated Jesus", and then go on to explain how he is the reincarnation of Jesus, whose real name was Jmmanual.



Again, I don't care what freaking name he calls himself, He claims to be the person that Christianity is based upon, as well as the man the Muslim religion is based on.

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Originally posted by Lotiki


For some reason at the top of the page where the cult explains all this, it has the words that you show. I dont know why they would say "he never said he was reincarnated Jesus", and then go on to explain how he is the reincarnation of Jesus, whose real name was Jmmanual

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Hey if the case is a hoax, its a hoax. But in this instance. I have provided evidence to at least show what you are claiming is inaccurate. If you are going to be a debunker, you have to get your facts straight. Thats all.

Still waiting for that quote from Billy himself. Thanks for the post.

I am sorry if this would hurt someones feelings, but the ray-gun pictures are the most ridiculous thing I have have ever seen. Your telling me they make their crooked barrel ray guns out of plastic? Not too mention they wear some kind of polyester/tin foil suits too? I can't help but laugh. In my opinion those 2 pictures alone make him lose all credibility.

Agent51, here is a direct quote from the new DVD. This comes from the special feature called "The History".

"The reason why Billy is the sole person who has contact with the Plejaran has to do with the fact that he is the founder of the mission which began in the universe in ancient times. His mission began more than 86 Billion years ago through the lineage of the prophets Nokodamian, Henok, Henoch, which continues today to Billy. Billy Meier is the last prophet who is responsible for terrestrial humanity and he is the last in this line of seven which began with Henoch about 11,000 years ago and continued with Elijah about 2,800 years ago and then Isiah, Jeremiah, and Jmmanuel about 2,000 years ago, then Mohammed about 1,400 years ago. And today in the new age, the so called Age of Aquarius, the mission finds its conclusion here on Earth with the prophet Billy who is responsible for terrestrial mankind."